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 wuestenfux wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
How can anyone think its not OP ?? The orbital comms array for 18 pts., which is the same as orbital bombardment, which is 3 CP. If you take 6 impulsors with OCA you save yourself 18CP. And you can bombard your enemy castle back to the stone age.

Sounds devastating.
But you don't take it as a transport option.
Transports are tactically very useful even for Marines.

I can take it as transport as well.

 p5freak wrote:
How can anyone think its not OP ?? The orbital comms array is 18 pts., which is the same as orbital bombardment, which is 3 CP. If you take 6 impulsors with OCA you save yourself 18CP. And you can bombard your enemy castle back to the stone age. Its even better than orbital bombardment, because its doesnt have to be visible to your warlord. Its just one point on the battlefield, no LOS needed.

You should give that rule another read

 Jidmah wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
How can anyone think its not OP ?? The orbital comms array is 18 pts., which is the same as orbital bombardment, which is 3 CP. If you take 6 impulsors with OCA you save yourself 18CP. And you can bombard your enemy castle back to the stone age. Its even better than orbital bombardment, because its doesnt have to be visible to your warlord. Its just one point on the battlefield, no LOS needed.

You should give that rule another read

Orbital Comms Array
In your Shooting phase, one model from your army with an orbital comms array that has not been used this battle can use it to call in an orbital barrage. If it does, select one point on the battlefield and roll one D6 for each unit within D6" of that point, subtracting 1 from the result if the unit being rolled for is a CHARACTER. On a 4+ the unit being rolled for suffers D3 mortal wounds.

I see nothing that says that its only one OCA use per battle. Each model can use its OCA once per battle.

Better hope your game runs to 6 turns then...

And besides, Orbital Bombardment isn’t exactly overwhelmingly powerful. It’s obnoxious when it goes right, but generally doesn’t do a massive amount of damage. If you wanna put 6 of them taking up points instead of CP in your list then be my guest.

 p5freak wrote:
How can anyone think its not OP ?? The orbital comms array is 18 pts., which is the same as orbital bombardment, which is 3 CP. If you take 6 impulsors with OCA you save yourself 18CP. And you can bombard your enemy castle back to the stone age. Its even better than orbital bombardment, because its doesnt have to be visible to your warlord. Its just one point on the battlefield, no LOS needed.

There's lots of that. E.g. you take Ion Bulwark on a Castellan or Valiant, you save yourself 18 CP for Rotate Ion Shield. It's even better because you're also still free to use Rotate Ion Shield elsewhere.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Better hope your game runs to 6 turns then...

Why ? Are you saying you can only use one orbital comms array per turn ? You can use all 6 in one turn.

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Better hope your game runs to 6 turns then...

Why ? Are you saying you can only use one orbital comms array per turn ? You can use all 6 in one turn.

I am. You can’t. Re-read the very first sentence of the rule.

In your Shooting phase, one model from your army with an orbital comms array that has not been used this battle can use it to call in an orbital barrage.

Do please tell me how you’re firing all 6...

Yes, totally OP. their cost to buy is OP. They orbital struck me right out of my chair.

I'm considering four for my Iron Hands, loaded up with Auto Bolt Gun Intercessors.

That's....that's quite a lot of pin point dakkadakka.

Might go for Shield Dome, might go for the Missiles.

Either way, likely backing them up with a pair of Repulsor Executioners to knack enemy armour.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Better hope your game runs to 6 turns then...

Why ? Are you saying you can only use one orbital comms array per turn ? You can use all 6 in one turn.

I am. You can’t. Re-read the very first sentence of the rule.

In your Shooting phase, one model from your army with an orbital comms array that has not been used this battle can use it to call in an orbital barrage.

Do please tell me how you’re firing all 6...

Do please tell me where it says "In your shooting phase, only one model from your army....."

I dont see the red marked word in the OCA rule.

 Vankraken wrote:
Not sure it's OP but it shows a huge problem with points cost for other similar units (rhino).

Rhino has double the troop capacity.

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Better hope your game runs to 6 turns then...

Why ? Are you saying you can only use one orbital comms array per turn ? You can use all 6 in one turn.

I am. You can’t. Re-read the very first sentence of the rule.

In your Shooting phase, one model from your army with an orbital comms array that has not been used this battle can use it to call in an orbital barrage.

Do please tell me how you’re firing all 6...

Do please tell me where it says "In your shooting phase, only one model from your army....."

I dont see the red marked word in the OCA rule.

You don't ned it. This is a new level of ridiculous... how many models are allowed to use this in your Shooting Phase? "One model from your army". One. "Only one" would be tautologous.

Even without "only" it precludes your interpretation that "one model from your army" means "these six tanks".

It's an almost 100p transport with 4++ and Fly. I think it's pretty okay.

I just wish my Starweaver gets cheaper or better now, at 99pts with less toughness, less wounds, it should be cheaper.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I just wish my Starweaver gets cheaper or better now, at 99pts with less toughness, less wounds, it should be cheaper.

how fast is it and whats it's transport capacity?

You can only use 1 orbital comms array per turn, the rule is very clear on that.

I think considering the power level of marines currently, the impulsor is a pretty powerful tank. Not OP like some of the combos that are out there but it's a very good tank for less than 100pts.

... Oh do I wish my Khorne Berserkers could lift this vehicle for themselves... It would suit Chaos so much more!

Over loaded in rules and equipment and undercosted (rhino is 72 points, that extra 20 points is an INSANE amount chucked on)

 p5freak wrote:
How can anyone think its not OP ?? The orbital comms array is 18 pts., which is the same as orbital bombardment, which is 3 CP. If you take 6 impulsors with OCA you save yourself 18CP. And you can bombard your enemy castle back to the stone age. Its even better than orbital bombardment, because its doesnt have to be visible to your warlord. Its just one point on the battlefield, no LOS needed.

Yes, but orbital bombardment has never been worth 3 CP. And without the shield these are pretty easy to kill. I really think the shield is the thing you want to take most of the time. It is a transport, you want it to deliver its cargo in one piece. Removing the invul for a huge 'kill this unit ASAP' marker on your transport doesn't seem like a great move to me.

 p5freak wrote:
Do please tell me where it says "In your shooting phase, only one model from your army....."

I dont see the red marked word in the OCA rule.

The only rule that gives you permission to use the OCA tells you to that one model from your army can use it. Not two, not three and definitiely not six.

Which is the same wording as all the non-stacking aura-effects, btw.

 Crimson wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
How can anyone think its not OP ?? The orbital comms array is 18 pts., which is the same as orbital bombardment, which is 3 CP. If you take 6 impulsors with OCA you save yourself 18CP. And you can bombard your enemy castle back to the stone age. Its even better than orbital bombardment, because its doesnt have to be visible to your warlord. Its just one point on the battlefield, no LOS needed.

Yes, but orbital bombardment has never been worth 3 CP. And without the shield these are pretty easy to kill. I really think the shield is the thing you want to take most of the time. It is a transport, you want it to deliver its cargo in one piece. Removing the invul for a huge 'kill this unit ASAP' marker on your transport doesn't seem like a great move to me.

I think a mix.

Planning to take a total of four, as noted above (I'm yet to properly work out my list, only playing around with concepts at the moment).

Shield Domes do make decent sense, for the obvious reasons. But then, I'm wondering if I might half and half with Orbital Arrays?

Dropping some splash damage Mortal Wounds early on definitely appeals, and I can potentially use the Shied Dome ones to screen the Orbital ones?

 Ishagu wrote:
People are talking about Hellblasters in an Impulsor.

It's cheaper and better to teleport in Inceptors.

That may be the case, however have you seen an inceptor? The most hideous Primaris model there is... Whereas Hellblasters are actually passable (was even considering getting some for my thus far entirely first-born army).

Mind you with 30" of range on their Plasma Incinerators, I wouldn't personally feel the need to shove them in an Impulsor.

 Darian Aarush wrote:

That may be the case, however have you seen an inceptor? The most hideous Primaris model there is...

No, they look cool.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I think considering the power level of marines currently, the impulsor is a pretty powerful tank. Not OP like some of the combos that are out there but it's a very good tank for less than 100pts.

Certainly is.

Sure, it's transport capacity isn't great, but the tank itself, unusually for comparatively light transports, has a fair amount of firepower.

I'm torn between keeping the cheapo Stormbolters, and upgrading to the Frag Launcher things. Storm Bolters have superior range of course, and a set number of shots. Frag Launcher things can, potentially, get more shots (and will on average) - but there's still that potential to fluff the shots roll, and end up with two.

Considering I reckon I'd use mine quite aggressively, I can easily see myself always being in rapid fire range - so probably gonna stick with Storm Bolters, so I've got a distinctly known quantity of shots to factor in each turn.

Oh, and an Ironhaill Heavy Stubber.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I just wish my Starweaver gets cheaper or better now, at 99pts with less toughness, less wounds, it should be cheaper.

how fast is it and whats it's transport capacity?

16" base, 6 transports, 2 shuriken cannons only, T5 with 6 wounds, No options. It does have -1 to be hit, but that doesnt mean anything anymore honestly.

 Crimson wrote:

 Darian Aarush wrote:

That may be the case, however have you seen an inceptor? The most hideous Primaris model there is...

No, they look cool.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one... Give me an assault marine with a jump pack and a chainsword any day.


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 Ishagu wrote:

 Darian Aarush wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:
People are talking about Hellblasters in an Impulsor.

It's cheaper and better to teleport in Inceptors.

That may be the case, however have you seen an inceptor? The most hideous Primaris model there is... Whereas Hellblasters are actually passable.

Lol looks ARE important!

There is a fair bit to like about flying into battle on a pickup truck:

I would say if you want to have a more mobile game with Primaris this thing scratches the itch.
The other vehicles are a huge points-sink.
I tend to take-on the Ork hordes in my games so these keep me a good distance from the blobs of death.
It is good to see many options on how you want these to be used so it is not OP but very useful in many cases.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I just wish my Starweaver gets cheaper or better now, at 99pts with less toughness, less wounds, it should be cheaper.

how fast is it and whats it's transport capacity?

16" base, 6 transports, 2 shuriken cannons only, T5 with 6 wounds, No options. It does have -1 to be hit, but that doesnt mean anything anymore honestly.

On the one hand, Starweavers arguably provided a more vital function for its faction. It's cargo is more fragile and always needs to get close. With Bolter Discipline, other Plasma options available (Inceptors) and not really being melee units, Primaris don't really NEED a transport, but Harlies kinda do.

But on the other hand, if any vehicle should get the Assault Vehicle rule, it really should be Starweavers, Raiders/Venoms & Ork Trukks long before Marines get a vehicle with that ability, so it is odd. I do agree that Starweavers should absolutely be cheaper than an Impulsor given the relative durability and special rules it has. If Starweaver had the Assault Vehicle ability, then the costs could be the same

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 Galef wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I just wish my Starweaver gets cheaper or better now, at 99pts with less toughness, less wounds, it should be cheaper.

how fast is it and whats it's transport capacity?

16" base, 6 transports, 2 shuriken cannons only, T5 with 6 wounds, No options. It does have -1 to be hit, but that doesnt mean anything anymore honestly.

On the one hand, Starweavers arguably provided a more vital function for its faction. It's cargo is more fragile and always needs to get close. With Bolter Discipline, other Plasma options available (Inceptors) and not really being melee units, Primaris don't really NEED a transport, but Harlies kinda do.

But on the other hand, if any vehicle should get the Assault Vehicle rule, it really should be Starweavers, Raiders/Venoms & Ork Trukks long before Marines get a vehicle with that ability, so it is odd. I do agree that Starweavers should absolutely be cheaper than an Impulsor given the relative durability and special rules it has. If Starweaver had the Assault Vehicle ability, then the costs could be the same

Its GW's problem with marines. "We don't know what to do so lets just throw a dozen special rules at every unit".
There is no reason why Space Marines should have the one vehicle in the game where you can disembark after moving.
There is no reason why Space Marines should be the only faction to have turn 1 deepstrike.

 Galef wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I just wish my Starweaver gets cheaper or better now, at 99pts with less toughness, less wounds, it should be cheaper.

how fast is it and whats it's transport capacity?

16" base, 6 transports, 2 shuriken cannons only, T5 with 6 wounds, No options. It does have -1 to be hit, but that doesnt mean anything anymore honestly.

On the one hand, Starweavers arguably provided a more vital function for its faction. It's cargo is more fragile and always needs to get close. With Bolter Discipline, other Plasma options available (Inceptors) and not really being melee units, Primaris don't really NEED a transport, but Harlies kinda do.

But on the other hand, if any vehicle should get the Assault Vehicle rule, it really should be Starweavers, Raiders/Venoms & Ork Trukks long before Marines get a vehicle with that ability, so it is odd. I do agree that Starweavers should absolutely be cheaper than an Impulsor given the relative durability and special rules it has. If Starweaver had the Assault Vehicle ability, then the costs could be the same

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Yes and thats the problem, Quins are already overcosted, and with a almost must transport that isn't doing its worth (I play 10 of them at times in tournaments, when 5 can be killed in 1 turn thats a problem).

Starweavers are 41% more costly than Venoms for 21% more abilities (16% more survivable b.c 4++, and str 6 base guns)

Having a SM transport that is basically the same thing minus the open top (Open top shouldnt cost more, it should lessen the survivability, not do both) for the same cost just makes me sad for my quins. Not saying Impulors are OP, its what is needed b.c of the 300% mark up in power, it just shows how other things needs to be looked at as well.