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2019/10/24 17:57:55
Subject: Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Klickor wrote:Hellblasters in an impulsor sounds like a really ineffective counter to TFC I must say.
Impulsor moves 14" and can disembark hell blasters which can then move and shoot. The is a pretty huge threat range with fly for the impulsor 2. It's basically an automatic turn 2 strike which could easily take out all 3 TFC. They are AP -5 in tactical doctrine. It's hard to screen and it has massive mobility.
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2019/10/24 18:30:07
Subject: Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Xenomancers wrote:
Flyers are how you take them out. Take 6 hell blasters in an impulsor could easily get the job done too.
Thankfully chaos has jack gak for flyers outside FW. *sigh* maybe the +1A will help the hell turkey (nope).
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2019/10/24 18:36:09
Subject: Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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 Daedalus81 wrote: Xenomancers wrote:
Flyers are how you take them out. Take 6 hell blasters in an impulsor could easily get the job done too.
Thankfully chaos has jack gak for flyers outside FW. *sigh* maybe the +1A will help the hell turkey (nope).
Hell turkey can't get the job done - you gotta go to FW. Not sure how I would handle nu marines with TS....I think I would just get destroyed. Standard Tzzangor drops should actually still be very effective against marines.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2019/10/24 18:53:42
Subject: Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Xenomancers wrote: Daedalus81 wrote: Xenomancers wrote:
Flyers are how you take them out. Take 6 hell blasters in an impulsor could easily get the job done too.
Thankfully chaos has jack gak for flyers outside FW. *sigh* maybe the +1A will help the hell turkey (nope).
Hell turkey can't get the job done - you gotta go to FW. Not sure how I would handle nu marines with TS....I think I would just get destroyed. Standard Tzzangor drops should actually still be very effective against marines.
PA probably won't get me any traits. Maybe some spells. My war dogs can do work, but they'll have to push in a little too close. I'd probably just stay out of range of devs and pick them off and cross my fingers on the TFCs.
The worst part for me is that All is Dust is basically negated now.
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2019/10/24 18:59:22
Subject: Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Daedalus81 wrote: Xenomancers wrote: Daedalus81 wrote: Xenomancers wrote:
Flyers are how you take them out. Take 6 hell blasters in an impulsor could easily get the job done too.
Thankfully chaos has jack gak for flyers outside FW. *sigh* maybe the +1A will help the hell turkey (nope).
Hell turkey can't get the job done - you gotta go to FW. Not sure how I would handle nu marines with TS....I think I would just get destroyed. Standard Tzzangor drops should actually still be very effective against marines.
PA probably won't get me any traits. Maybe some spells. My war dogs can do work, but they'll have to push in a little too close. I'd probably just stay out of range of devs and pick them off and cross my fingers on the TFCs.
The worst part for me is that All is Dust is basically negated now.
Compared to an intercessor a rubcic is just terrible now. I'd really just like to see rubrics get a 4++ save again and their bolters should be heavy 2 ap -2. if they are to retain that point cost.
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2019/10/24 19:17:18
Subject: Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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Morphing Obliterator
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Xenomancers wrote:Compared to an intercessor a rubcic is just terrible now. I'd really just like to see rubrics get a 4++ save again and their bolters should be heavy 2 ap -2. if they are to retain that point cost.
If they ever get an enhanced legion tactic they might be better, giving them an 'automaton' expanded trait that allows them to be treated as stationary would be amazing and wouldn't really further upgrade their psykers. But honestly, stuff like this is why my army hasn't been on a table in 3-4 months. Why bother? The game is in such a terrible state right now it's utterly pointless. CSM codex 1.5 was just a bone thrown to Chaos that didn't actually accomplish much, PA appears to be more bones thrown to more obviously inferior factions while GW continues to focus on Imperial units.
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2019/10/24 19:19:39
Subject: Re:Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'd be happy if i always counted as stationary for two shots on the move and a couple points off the top. Automatically Appended Next Post:  TwinPoleTheory wrote: Xenomancers wrote:Compared to an intercessor a rubcic is just terrible now. I'd really just like to see rubrics get a 4++ save again and their bolters should be heavy 2 ap -2. if they are to retain that point cost.
If they ever get an enhanced legion tactic they might be better, giving them an 'automaton' expanded trait that allows them to be treated as stationary would be amazing and wouldn't really further upgrade their psykers. But honestly, stuff like this is why my army hasn't been on a table in 3-4 months. Why bother? The game is in such a terrible state right now it's utterly pointless. CSM codex 1.5 was just a bone thrown to Chaos that didn't actually accomplish much, PA appears to be more bones thrown to more obviously inferior factions while GW continues to focus on Imperial units.
*shrug* I'm getting a lot of mileage out of Vigilus for my BL. PA might do something for exalteds.
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2019/10/24 19:45:30
Subject: Re:Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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It's bad but I thought someone posted that GW did admit they got the cost of PA wrong and the tactical points change was only because of the new codex points changes are for CA.
I took that to mean Choas were going to 12 in CA, if I'm wrong yeah GW will need to fix that though why they didn't change it via vigilous stuff IDK.
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2019/10/24 19:47:39
Subject: Re:Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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Daedalus81 wrote:*shrug* I'm getting a lot of mileage out of Vigilus for my BL. PA might do something for exalteds.
Yeah, I had a number of good games for about 2 months or so after Vigilus/ CSM 1.5 came out. It wasn't dominant, but it felt fresh and was competitive at least. But the first SM 2.0 preview made it painfully obvious the CSM role in the narrative.
Perhaps sometime next year I'll play a game.
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2019/10/24 19:51:01
Subject: Iron Hands imbalance was caused by RAI
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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TwinPoleTheory wrote: Xenomancers wrote:Compared to an intercessor a rubcic is just terrible now. I'd really just like to see rubrics get a 4++ save again and their bolters should be heavy 2 ap -2. if they are to retain that point cost.
If they ever get an enhanced legion tactic they might be better, giving them an 'automaton' expanded trait that allows them to be treated as stationary would be amazing and wouldn't really further upgrade their psykers. But honestly, stuff like this is why my army hasn't been on a table in 3-4 months. Why bother? The game is in such a terrible state right now it's utterly pointless. CSM codex 1.5 was just a bone thrown to Chaos that didn't actually accomplish much, PA appears to be more bones thrown to more obviously inferior factions while GW continues to focus on Imperial units.
I've got TS and BL on the shelf right now too. I think I've heard - PA focus is going to be Nids/ BA World Eaters/vs ? Maybe the world eaters PA will give all CSM a boost. Automatically Appended Next Post: Daedalus81 wrote:I'd be happy if i always counted as stationary for two shots on the move and a couple points off the top.
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TwinPoleTheory wrote: Xenomancers wrote:Compared to an intercessor a rubcic is just terrible now. I'd really just like to see rubrics get a 4++ save again and their bolters should be heavy 2 ap -2. if they are to retain that point cost.
If they ever get an enhanced legion tactic they might be better, giving them an 'automaton' expanded trait that allows them to be treated as stationary would be amazing and wouldn't really further upgrade their psykers. But honestly, stuff like this is why my army hasn't been on a table in 3-4 months. Why bother? The game is in such a terrible state right now it's utterly pointless. CSM codex 1.5 was just a bone thrown to Chaos that didn't actually accomplish much, PA appears to be more bones thrown to more obviously inferior factions while GW continues to focus on Imperial units.
*shrug* I'm getting a lot of mileage out of Vigilus for my BL. PA might do something for exalteds.
They already have that it just only counts for heavy weapons. So Just make them heavy weapons.
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