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Test 1 comes up on Sunday. The top of the list would be November 9th release, which is November 2nd Preorder. That means they will be announced then. Either the that long list of items is correct (evidence of good list) or we have a false list.

 alextroy wrote:
Test 1 comes up on Sunday. The top of the list would be November 9th release, which is November 2nd Preorder. That means they will be announced then. Either the that long list of items is correct (evidence of good list) or we have a false list.

Looks like the 2nd November items have been announced, all 6 from the leak are there for the same prices, also on there is the Grot Bommas - moved from the 14th December, correct price

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/26/pre-order-today-ogors-ossiarchs-knights-and-more/

PlaguePony wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Test 1 comes up on Sunday. The top of the list would be November 9th release, which is November 2nd Preorder. That means they will be announced then. Either the that long list of items is correct (evidence of good list) or we have a false list.

Looks like the 2nd November items have been announced, all 6 from the leak are there for the same prices, also on there is the Grot Bommas - moved from the 14th December, correct price

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/26/pre-order-today-ogors-ossiarchs-knights-and-more/

Grot Bommas are a separate unit to Eavy Bommers

I did a quick count (I'm sure I missed some stuff), and GW is releasing about $3,000 worth of product in November and $3,500 worth of product in December.

I'm not sure that GW's customer base is really that diverse. Like, I'm pretty sure that the audience for Necromunda has a pretty heavy overlap with the audience for 40k. And I think they are running a pretty niche market that is extremely narrow...

How is GW able to make that much product and still sell it? It seems like the typical GW customer must spend at least $500 a month, probably much more, just on GW products. How is that sustainable? Is GW operating purely on a whale economy already?

You don’t really think there are people who purchase every GW release? The point of many releases is to get as many people as possible to buy something, not a few people buying everything.

 Sqorgar wrote:
I did a quick count (I'm sure I missed some stuff), and GW is releasing about $3,000 worth of product in November and $3,500 worth of product in December.

I'm not sure that GW's customer base is really that diverse. Like, I'm pretty sure that the audience for Necromunda has a pretty heavy overlap with the audience for 40k. And I think they are running a pretty niche market that is extremely narrow...

How is GW able to make that much product and still sell it? It seems like the typical GW customer must spend at least $500 a month, probably much more, just on GW products. How is that sustainable? Is GW operating purely on a whale economy already?

GW models don't devalue, provided that GW has the mould they can keep releasing the models and charge the same price year in year out. As a result if something doesn't sell like wildfire its not a disaster, they can keep stocking it, keep producing it and sell it off slower. They can even adjust rules, do marketing etc... (most of which costs them very little outside of their normal operating costs) and clean up sales. Just look how shifting from 1.0 or no battletome to 2.0 battletimes has boosted sales for many AoS armies.

Once the mould is made that's it for investment in terms of massive outlay; after that its just regular production and card printing along with shipping - all of which happens anyway.

Models can last for decades in plastic.

This isn't like the film or computer game markets where you MUST make back your investment fast in the launch month in order to recoup investment and remain financially viable; whilst also anticipating typically dwindling sales with only fresh peaks after that if you do a big content release; a huge amount of marketing; get wild luck with a youtuber or (more likely) put the product on sale.
GW also isn't like the tech industry and fast replacing this years product with next years product. Again once we've got a plastic sculpt its likely to last for a good long while. Well past a period where, provided GW keeps up the marketing, they can recoup investment and profit.


Fast high launch sales for GW I figure are more important for maintaining a high volume of new product production. So basically if the GW customer base starts to slow down in buying power, then after a lag period (because investments are made a long while in advance) we'd see GW's release rate slow down. So if the market slows GW will slow. If the market remains active and fast then GW will remain as such. So GW can pace themselves to the markets reaction. Because GW doesn't front load themselves with debt every time they produce a model they also shield themselves from a slowdown in their market. If things slow down GW doesn't suddenly have a massive issue having to repay debts and interest.

 alextroy wrote:
You don’t really think there are people who purchase every GW release? The point of many releases is to get as many people as possible to buy something, not a few people buying everything.

But that's my point. Miniature games have to be one of the most niche markets out there. The learning curve, cost, and time are intense. There isn't this huge, diverse audience out there. The people who are interested in Necromunda are the same people who are interested in 40k, who are the same people who are interested in AoS, who are the same people who are interested in Adeptus Titanicus, etc.

When GW releases $500 worth of Necromunda products in a week, they aren't thinking, how can we attract new players to the hobby? They are thinking, how can we get 40k players to buy this thing? (Zone Mortalis tiles, for example). When they released Warcry, they wanted to get AoS players to play it, or to convince Kill Team players to play it - they knew what they core audience was, and it was Games Workshop customers. Everything GW makes is for GW customers and basically nobody else (the obvious exception is Underworlds, which is the only GW product sold for a reasonable price).

GW's entire business plan is to alternate exciting its customers in its different games. That's why you never see an AoS release simultaneously with a 40k release. That's why Necromunda gets a week, Kill Team gets a week, Warcry gets a week, and so on. The only time they double up is for Middle Earth SBG and specialist games, which have much smaller audiences that actually do branch out beyond the GW faithful. GW has built this ecosystem that a lot of people never leave - they can charge a lot compared to their competitors because they have a captive audience who never looks at what the competitors are offering. After all, you can't play Infinity down at your local Warhammer store.

So how is this sustainable? How can they sell so much product to such a small community? If people truly just bought the products for a single game, or for a single army, the amount of sales would not be enough to justify $3000 worth of NEW product every month. I don't think people are spending $3,000 every month - but I do think they are spending a few hundred every month. You can really tell when GW is targeting GW customers and when GW is targeting external or new customers (the churn is real).

There's a reason GW thought they could charge $230 for Blood of the Phoenix, and there's a reason why people paid $230 for Blood of the Phoenix - and while I'm increasingly understanding how GW is exploiting negative consumer behaviours, I still don't feel like I'm any closer to understanding how in the living gak anybody, anywhere could ever consider Blood of the Phoenix to be worth even half of $230.

 Sqorgar wrote:
The people who are interested in Necromunda are the same people who are interested in 40k, who are the same people who are interested in AoS, who are the same people who are interested in Adeptus Titanicus, etc.

But they're not though. That's exactly the mindset that Kirby held during his tenure in charge and what led him to get rid of Specialist Games, WHFB(after years of mismanagement dented its popularity), and boxed games. Which decisions went so well that Specialist Games are back, now with their own studio and plastic pipeline; boxed games are back in a huge way, to the extent they've become some of GW's best sellers; and they're putting loads of effort into salvaging AoS after its rocky launch because even when you make your fantasy IP more like your sci-fi IP, the audience still isn't exactly the same for both.

Game systems are not interchangeable. Settings are not interchangeable. Miniature range aesthetics are not interchangeable. Some people will like many or even all of GW's efforts in all of those categories, but most will have a preference for only a subset, and a budget to adhere to that causes them to prioritise.

GW may be a "margin focused" business, but the reason the present management have been successful and driven growth when the old management was engaged in desperate cost cutting as a holding action against decline is that they recognise you do need to make some effort to draw in more than one audience, and that you can't exclusively focus on ever more heavily monetising your existing customer base. They no doubt are hoping that 40K people buy Necromunda stuff and AoS people buy Warcry stuff etc, but they will also be hoping to draw in and retain people who are "specific product" customers rather than "general GW" customers, exactly because once you get people into your company's product ecosystem it's easier to get them to buy more of it.

Let me summarise, back along in one of the 40K threads, I lamented the fact that new SM characters were being released in plastic, while existing SM characters were left languishing as direct only finecast.

One response was, and I'm paraphrasing but this was the gist, "I haven't painted my existing model, but we *need* more characters."

That, in a nutshell, is the GW business model. Something all wargamers are guilty of, but residents of the GW ecosystem exclusively most egregiously it would seem.

I've long lamented that, as much as it sticks in my craw, and as much as I'd still rail against it if I were involved with GW product to any degree, Kirby and Bligh were right. GW customers' main hobby is buying GW products.

It's a peculiar mindset, but it's a persistent one. Just look out the next time a not that spectacular sculpt is released, a certain stripe of people won't declare they're not buying it, it will be "I'll just buy enough to finish X list" or "I bet if you swapped this bit from another model (likely one they'd also need to buy) then it would look much better."

When you've got consumers that determined to buy your product, it shouldn't be a surprise when the price keeps climbing.


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Oh, and they release a load of stuff at once because GW customers apparently think new kits are like fresh truffles, and must be bought right away before they go off. Releasing a bunch of stuff at once is a sound plan for dominating Christmas lists and pushing all the other toys off the bottom.

It wouldn't surprise me if at least some of this stuff would have been intended for an earlier slot, but just hasn't made it either because in delays in printed material getting to the UK from China,

or because of delays in producing the sprues because of lack of capacity, and because of the success if earlier releases needing restocks far faster than planned for (there have been several occasions where a lot of 3rd parties were shorted on stock and releases were basically sold out, and that's not just the box sets that are effectively limited edition, but also regular no discount boxes)

and I guess if most things are planned a couple of years in advance maybe they feel they have to do their best to 'keep up' with the plan even if that does result in an end of the year log jam

there's certainly more that i'd like than I can afford (not that I've finished the mountain of Deathguard I've got from when that was new and cool),

 Azreal13 wrote:


That, in a nutshell, is the GW business model. Something all wargamers are guilty of, but residents of the GW ecosystem exclusively most egregiously it would seem.

I don't think so. Just take a look at wargaming Kickstarters. They generate huge revenue (when run right) and a lot of that is selling hundreds to thousands of models to gamers and many are not Warhammer gamers (in fact some loudly cry that they are not).
It's just basic human behaviour in the current "western/developed/consumer" world. I'd even argue its likely something built into us not just a product of upbringing - we collect. Heck my father's got into buying clocks of all things and more than half are broken and "to be fixed" and yet he'll still buy another broken clock.
Look at Magic the Gathering and other card games - or Pogs or Sticks or any number of collectable hobbies. Heck look at stamps! All of them built into collector instinct/desire with the human population. Some in niches, some widespread. Heck go look at Pokemon which makes insane amounts of money and yet if you look at the actual product most of the pokemon games are VERY simple products. Heck I don't think they've ever even made the most rudimentary AI for any of their games (it just random picks from 4 options and the very occasional 5th "item" slot)


Also your point about "not having built" isn't quite right. It's more that if GW releases a new character then new and existing customers are all the target market. A revamped character going from finecast/metal to plastic is a bit more of a gamble on the established market. Whilst its proven that many gamers do upgrade armies with new sculpts, its also true that they might not buy them up to replace as fast as they might otherwise. So somewhere along the line for GW its more profitable in a short span of time (or at least recoups the investment faster) to release totally new things.
In the end I'm sure GW will remove and update all the finecast, but they are taking their time about it. Heck AoS is utterly full of finecast, metal and some really old first generation plastics and yet they still released Bonereapers rather than update all the old Skaven in one go.

Of course another aspect is that GW often is "design led" in terms of what gets made, so it might just be that the design team worked on project A rather than project B and that they've not had the inspiration/pressure to produce replacement sculpts (or models that could be used as replacement sculpts).

 Overread wrote:

I don't think so. Just take a look at wargaming Kickstarters. They generate huge revenue (when run right) and a lot of that is selling hundreds to thousands of models to gamers and many are not Warhammer gamers (in fact some loudly cry that they are not).

Kickstarters also build on the loot box psychology. They've got the limited time offers (30 day periods, kickstarter exclusives), they've got tricks for keeping the hype above rational thought (stretch goals, constantly introducing extra purchases), hiding the true cost of things (hidden shipping costs that can raise the price $30-$100), and so on. And as with most things built on this kind of mentality, once the hype is over, people just stick this crap on eBay or in their closet after one or two plays - because people aren't buying the products, they are buying the hype.

It's just basic human behaviour in the current "western/developed/consumer" world.

May be. I think it is sleazy to exploit this behavior, to purposely inflame it, in order to make a quick buck off the worst elements of humanity - but fine, let's just say, whatever to that. The fact of the matter is that there just isn't a market out there for $230 Blood of the Phoenix boxes.

Whales get you only so far. If you don't have a healthy industry underneath it, it will collapse. Just like the comic book industry, the dot com boom, the Atari video game crash, the housing market crash, and so on. Seriously, go read some articles on the comic book crash during the 90s, and you'll see the exact same signs that GW is displaying now.

GW has been growing recently, largely because they have been releasing healthy products. They've been releasing high quality products at multiple price points that open up their market to consumers of different means and investment. But they've been screwing up more and more. They've been underprinting just about everything they make, which makes it frustrating to be a GW customer when you can't get basic things like necessary cards or starter sets. They've been steadily increasing their prices to, frankly, moronic levels, to the point where they are going to end up pricing out many of their loyal customers. And they've been releasing a steady stream of unasked for products to a crowded marketplace, which they themselves are crowding. Even they joke about releasing yet another space marine lieutenant that nobody asked for.

How loyal do you think customers stay when they can't get what they want, or don't feel good about themselves when they do? What do you think happens when more players leave than come in? Why would a customer buy a new army when they already have 5?

It takes a while to burn away good will, but it's entirely possible. Disney did it with Star Wars in just two movies. And GW did it with the $230 Blood of the Phoenix. That box is going to be remembered as the pivotal point in GW history where the great GW crash started. They'll try to blame Brexit, I'm sure, but we know where the wind changed for real.

Looked pretty legit to me. Though time will tell, this is news and rumors so obviously we should take it with salt but ponder the chance it could be accurate.

 Sqorgar wrote:

Spoiler:

 Overread wrote:

I don't think so. Just take a look at wargaming Kickstarters. They generate huge revenue (when run right) and a lot of that is selling hundreds to thousands of models to gamers and many are not Warhammer gamers (in fact some loudly cry that they are not).

Kickstarters also build on the loot box psychology. They've got the limited time offers (30 day periods, kickstarter exclusives), they've got tricks for keeping the hype above rational thought (stretch goals, constantly introducing extra purchases), hiding the true cost of things (hidden shipping costs that can raise the price $30-$100), and so on. And as with most things built on this kind of mentality, once the hype is over, people just stick this crap on eBay or in their closet after one or two plays - because people aren't buying the products, they are buying the hype.

It's just basic human behaviour in the current "western/developed/consumer" world.

May be. I think it is sleazy to exploit this behavior, to purposely inflame it, in order to make a quick buck off the worst elements of humanity - but fine, let's just say, whatever to that. The fact of the matter is that there just isn't a market out there for $230 Blood of the Phoenix boxes.

Whales get you only so far. If you don't have a healthy industry underneath it, it will collapse. Just like the comic book industry, the dot com boom, the Atari video game crash, the housing market crash, and so on. Seriously, go read some articles on the comic book crash during the 90s, and you'll see the exact same signs that GW is displaying now.

GW has been growing recently, largely because they have been releasing healthy products. They've been releasing high quality products at multiple price points that open up their market to consumers of different means and investment. But they've been screwing up more and more. They've been underprinting just about everything they make, which makes it frustrating to be a GW customer when you can't get basic things like necessary cards or starter sets. They've been steadily increasing their prices to, frankly, moronic levels, to the point where they are going to end up pricing out many of their loyal customers. And they've been releasing a steady stream of unasked for products to a crowded marketplace, which they themselves are crowding. Even they joke about releasing yet another space marine lieutenant that nobody asked for.

How loyal do you think customers stay when they can't get what they want, or don't feel good about themselves when they do? What do you think happens when more players leave than come in? Why would a customer buy a new army when they already have 5?

It takes a while to burn away good will, but it's entirely possible. Disney did it with Star Wars in just two movies. And

GW did it with the $230 Blood of the Phoenix. That box is going to be remembered as the pivotal point in GW history where the great GW crash started. They'll try to blame Brexit, I'm sure, but we know where the wind changed for real.

I think that (bar the Brexit reference) is what people believed when they released the Empire Greatswords, nicknamed Goldswords at the time.
As with the supposedly leaked releases - which I hope we can go back to discussing - I'll believe it when I see it.


Somebody above said the latest releases matched those on the list, thus showing it may be legit. Were any of these new releases or their prices a surprise however? I know the Middle-earth products at least were announced previously, and their prices match previous packs, thus requiring no level of insider information to get right. Does sanybody know if the others are some sort of proof, or what future releases would be a good test?

List is fake , it's missing several dead cert Christmas items
No mega paint sets and no special miniature cases
These two things have been released in November for decades .
Plus GW put out contrast paints this year so they would be one of the dead cert bundles for xmas

 Sqorgar wrote:
When GW releases $500 worth of Necromunda products in a week, they aren't thinking, how can we attract new players to the hobby? They are thinking, how can we get 40k players to buy this thing? (Zone Mortalis tiles, for example).

You really think they do that?

If GW really wanted Necromunda to be dual purpose, they could just give you 5 lasguns (or other basic rifles) on sprue to make using them as lower tech IG easy. To my knowledge, no Necromunda gang does that. Enforcers can be kinda-sorta used as SM scouts due to their bolters/shotguns - but you still need to convert the sarge, when all GW needed was giving him bolt pistol bit that easily would fit on sprue. But nope, that would actually required some thinking to do before you sent it to be cut.

Then there is the fact that there was perfect unit to use with Necromunda models - alas, some moron thought having options and GK being viable is too much, and deleted Inquisitorial bands both from the 40K and the Kill Team. How much more Necromunda kits GW would have sold if you really could use these models in the two more popular systems - I have no idea, but it surely would have been significant number...

Do you honestly feel GW thinks who will buy their things period ? They have some absolute off the wall pricing sometimes which makes me wonder if they don't just do what they do logic be damned.

Obispudkenobi wrote:
List is fake , it's missing several dead cert Christmas items
No mega paint sets and no special miniature cases
These two things have been released in November for decades .
Plus GW put out contrast paints this year so they would be one of the dead cert bundles for xmas

Are these direct only (I can't remember) and would they appear on retailers list if they are? not trying to argue one way or another for the authenticity of the list but I don't think the lack of these definitely makes it fake.

Weren’t all the items now up already known or revealed for this weeks preorder Before this list appeared?
I’d say the upcoming weeks are the ones that would show legitimacy or not.

 DaveC wrote:

Obispudkenobi wrote:
List is fake , it's missing several dead cert Christmas items
No mega paint sets and no special miniature cases
These two things have been released in November for decades .
Plus GW put out contrast paints this year so they would be one of the dead cert bundles for xmas

Are these direct only (I can't remember) and would they appear on retailers list if they are? not trying to argue one way or another for the authenticity of the list but I don't think the lack of these definitely makes it fake.

Paint sets and cases are limited stock but on general sale including Indies , they are a staple of the festive period ,even more than battleforces. A list without the mega paint set like this in would say 100%fake.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

Spoiler:

 Overread wrote:

I don't think so. Just take a look at wargaming Kickstarters. They generate huge revenue (when run right) and a lot of that is selling hundreds to thousands of models to gamers and many are not Warhammer gamers (in fact some loudly cry that they are not).

Kickstarters also build on the loot box psychology. They've got the limited time offers (30 day periods, kickstarter exclusives), they've got tricks for keeping the hype above rational thought (stretch goals, constantly introducing extra purchases), hiding the true cost of things (hidden shipping costs that can raise the price $30-$100), and so on. And as with most things built on this kind of mentality, once the hype is over, people just stick this crap on eBay or in their closet after one or two plays - because people aren't buying the products, they are buying the hype.

It's just basic human behaviour in the current "western/developed/consumer" world.

May be. I think it is sleazy to exploit this behavior, to purposely inflame it, in order to make a quick buck off the worst elements of humanity - but fine, let's just say, whatever to that. The fact of the matter is that there just isn't a market out there for $230 Blood of the Phoenix boxes.

Whales get you only so far. If you don't have a healthy industry underneath it, it will collapse. Just like the comic book industry, the dot com boom, the Atari video game crash, the housing market crash, and so on. Seriously, go read some articles on the comic book crash during the 90s, and you'll see the exact same signs that GW is displaying now.

GW has been growing recently, largely because they have been releasing healthy products. They've been releasing high quality products at multiple price points that open up their market to consumers of different means and investment. But they've been screwing up more and more. They've been underprinting just about everything they make, which makes it frustrating to be a GW customer when you can't get basic things like necessary cards or starter sets. They've been steadily increasing their prices to, frankly, moronic levels, to the point where they are going to end up pricing out many of their loyal customers. And they've been releasing a steady stream of unasked for products to a crowded marketplace, which they themselves are crowding. Even they joke about releasing yet another space marine lieutenant that nobody asked for.

How loyal do you think customers stay when they can't get what they want, or don't feel good about themselves when they do? What do you think happens when more players leave than come in? Why would a customer buy a new army when they already have 5?

It takes a while to burn away good will, but it's entirely possible. Disney did it with Star Wars in just two movies. And

GW did it with the $230 Blood of the Phoenix. That box is going to be remembered as the pivotal point in GW history where the great GW crash started. They'll try to blame Brexit, I'm sure, but we know where the wind changed for real.

I think that (bar the Brexit reference) is what people believed when they released the Empire Greatswords, nicknamed Goldswords at the time.
As with the supposedly leaked releases - which I hope we can go back to discussing - I'll believe it when I see it.


Somebody above said the latest releases matched those on the list, thus showing it may be legit. Were any of these new releases or their prices a surprise however? I know the Middle-earth products at least were announced previously, and their prices match previous packs, thus requiring no level of insider information to get right. Does sanybody know if the others are some sort of proof, or what future releases would be a good test?

The orc AI plane was more expensive than folk expected (compared to the already released imperial equivalent with the same sprue number/size) so that's another indication that the list is real (roll on Necromunda Graffiti transfers)

It's pretty much pointless to debate whether the list is fake or not based on random assumptions.
Today they'll announce next week's preorders and we'll see if they coincide with the items supposedly to be released on the 9th of November.

To me it seems that most of the people screaming "FAKE NEWS" are doing so because they want to believe it's fake, for whatever reason. In that list there may be prices you feel to be too high, items you don't like or items you'd like to be there are missing instead.
That doesn't change GW's release schedule though, it is what it is.

We'll see soon enough who's right about it, I'd wager half a cent that it's an accurate leak.

 Aenar wrote:
It's pretty much pointless to debate whether the list is fake or not based on random assumptions.
Today they'll announce next week's preorders and we'll see if they coincide with the items supposedly to be released on the 9th of November.

To me it seems that most of the people screaming "FAKE NEWS" are doing so because they want to believe it's fake, for whatever reason. In that list there may be prices you feel to be too high, items you don't like or items you'd like to be there are missing instead.
That doesn't change GW's release schedule though, it is what it is.

We'll see soon enough who's right about it, I'd wager half a cent that it's an accurate leak.

Its more this list is very similar to a large list "leaked" years ago which was a fake- I certainly have memories of that. A lot of things on the list where already rumoured to be coming and some of the additions look "too good to be true" like the Chaos Dwarf BB team and the Inquisition stuff. Some of the Black Library titles look to be for things which are ebooks [the $5 ones] - would they be on a retailer list? But then again no rumour guys have debunked it yet so we'll see.

 DaveC wrote:

Obispudkenobi wrote:
List is fake , it's missing several dead cert Christmas items
No mega paint sets and no special miniature cases
These two things have been released in November for decades .
Plus GW put out contrast paints this year so they would be one of the dead cert bundles for xmas

Are these direct only (I can't remember) and would they appear on retailers list if they are? not trying to argue one way or another for the authenticity of the list but I don't think the lack of these definitely makes it fake.

On the other hand there is apparently som inq and chaos dwarfs "made to order" listed, and im pretty sure those dont go out to stores.

 Aenar wrote:
It's pretty much pointless to debate whether the list is fake or not based on random assumptions.
Today they'll announce next week's preorders and we'll see if they coincide with the items supposedly to be released on the 9th of November.

To me it seems that most of the people screaming "FAKE NEWS" are doing so because they want to believe it's fake, for whatever reason. In that list there may be prices you feel to be too high, items you don't like or items you'd like to be there are missing instead.
That doesn't change GW's release schedule though, it is what it is.

We'll see soon enough who's right about it, I'd wager half a cent that it's an accurate leak.

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Debating stuff like this is the whole point of a news and rumours forum. I expect next weeks preorders to be 90 to 100% correct. They are what I would guess. What bothers me is that some people are taking this rumour as gospel and making purchasing decisions based on a rumoured Necromunda price which may not be correct even if the list is genuine. It also creates the potential for considerable disappointment amount slaves to Darkness players if their book doesn’t arrive this year.
To be absolutely clear I will list the reasons why I think this is a fake list.
1- It lists release dates when gw exclusively deals in preorder dates
2- the ogre team name
3- the spike journal name
4- the way the endless spells is written is different than how gw usually does it.
5- the name of the sisters box is different than the previously announced name.
6- the mysterious disappearance of the product codes which were incorrect
7- the AOS scenery listed does not match the scenery we saw from the Chinese shipping list. (This Chinese info was a rumour which proved to be 100% correct)
8- the way we have gradually been given more info and detail.
That said , I do expect this list to be mostly correct.
If it is a fake it is a good one.
I just caution people not to get too excited about Slaves to Darkness or too depressed about The Necromunda price.

Chikout wrote:
What bothers me is that some people are taking this rumour as gospel and making purchasing decisions based on a rumoured Necromunda price which may not be correct even if the list is genuine.

It makes no difference to me either way but the Necromunda price really makes me hope it is revealed as a fake. It would be so much fun to see a rumor faker got away with such an outrageous proposition simply because GW has maneuvered itself into a position where people can honestly believe the price is what GW would genuinely ask.

 Aenar wrote:
It's pretty much pointless to debate whether the list is fake or not based on random assumptions.
Today they'll announce next week's preorders and we'll see if they coincide with the items supposedly to be released on the 9th of November.

To me it seems that most of the people screaming "FAKE NEWS" are doing so because they want to believe it's fake, for whatever reason. In that list there may be prices you feel to be too high, items you don't like or items you'd like to be there are missing instead.
That doesn't change GW's release schedule though, it is what it is.

We'll see soon enough who's right about it, I'd wager half a cent that it's an accurate leak.

I think people want it to be fake for obvious reasons. If $290 is the cost for a starter set with terrain, then GW has essentially doubled their price for starter boxes overnight. That has huge implications for any GW gamer, regardless of their interest in Necromunda.

However, I do think it is fake based on the formatting errors around date formatting for the US, prices using commas instead of periods and the English designation for books being formatted three different ways throughout the list(Eng, ENG and English all used on separate entries). This looks like someone unfamiliar with US formatting trying to pass off a fake list.

Several people have handwaived away those errors as GW has typos all the time. Yet, if that's true, then it's equally true that the pricing is inaccurate. But there's no way a US price list would use commas on the pricing throughout. It's just such a basic formatting thing for the US that literally no one in the US would ever type it out that way.

Yet the simplest explanation that the incorrect SKUs were removed from the list after being called out as inaccurate seems to strongly indicate a fake.

I think the list is real - or at least, was real at some point. Plans can change, and I think the outcome of the Brexit thing may change things too (possibly even for the worse). And it’s my hope that GW is reading the response to this leak, having an “oh gak” moment and going to their bean counters, explaining that “let them eat cake” didn’t work out so well for the last person who tried it,

 Sqorgar wrote:
I think the list is real - or at least, was real at some point. Plans can change, and I think the outcome of the Brexit thing may change things too (possibly even for the worse). And it’s my hope that GW is reading the response to this leak, having an “oh gak” moment and going to their bean counters, explaining that “let them eat cake” didn’t work out so well for the last person who tried it,

She almost definitely didn't try it.

Yeah, the Marie Antoinette thing is a myth. There is nothing that indicates she actually said that.

It actually originates from Jean Jacque Rousseau's confessions where he writes of a princess who said that, but its unlikely that he was referring to Marie Antoinette as she was a child at the time of writing. The revolutionaries thought he was talking about her though, so they spread it as propaganda.