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2019/10/30 17:11:01
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
TBH this box will be more expensive and you are basically trading 20 blood claws/Grey hunters for 10 intercessors (Ok I could accept that) but then in comparison you lose Bjorn Fellhanded (The dreadnought), 5 terminators and 5 fenris wolves for 5 Wulfen.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2019/10/30 17:14:13
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Hmmm. Oh well. I was interested to see what the SC: Primaris would be, but I only really want the autocannon jumping guys, and I don't even really want them that much, but to get them I have to buy another 20 skinny-leg Primaris guys that I definitely don't want. Saved me some money then
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2019/10/30 17:15:51
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
They had better models too:
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2019/10/30 17:17:33
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
2019/10/30 17:25:13
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
So if number, quality of miniatures, savings and price (The old box had more money inside and was cheaper) isn't the metric to judge the quality of this DISCOUNT box... what should we use?
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2019/10/30 17:27:49
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: As someone that wants to get Dark Eldar, I would consider buying that box. Its not likely, but Id consider it.
You can't field 2 units in the box unless you lose your chapter tactics....
Then I pick up the Wych Getting Started to fix the Wych unit problem, and side line the Covens Unit until I gather enough Covens.
Sure, but in my opinion, a boxed set should be playable as-is since its usually the best thing to recommend for players that are new to the hobby.
The models are all good (the bikes less so), im only complaining about the inability to field it out of the box
By that metric, all of the boxes are bad, because you cant field effective armies out of any of them. Also, I'd say BF boxes are for expanding an already started Army.
For someone with the Wyches, getting this gives them an Additional Unit, AND a Kabal Patrol.
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2019/10/30 17:33:34
Subject: Re:Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Christmas battle forces used to be something I actually praised GW for. Previously they were a reasonable deal, and "most" of them were set-up to complement the Start Collecting box. The new T'au one is absolute gak compared to the last one, in my opinion...and same goes for the Space Wolves.
This old T'au Force is far better than the new one - and doesn't duplicate your Start Collecting box:
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2019/10/30 17:37:03
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
So if number, quality of miniatures, savings and price (The old box had more money inside and was cheaper) isn't the metric to judge the quality of this DISCOUNT box... what should we use?
I dunno. It seemed to me that the first guy was commenting on value, then the second guy told him what metric he shouldn't be using to judge quality. A bit of a non-sequitur imo, but anyway.
2019/10/30 17:44:35
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
So if number, quality of miniatures, savings and price (The old box had more money inside and was cheaper) isn't the metric to judge the quality of this DISCOUNT box... what should we use?
I dunno. It seemed to me that the first guy was commenting on value, then the second guy told him what metric he shouldn't be using to judge quality. A bit of a non-sequitur imo, but anyway.
Yeah, sorry, now I realize that you were disagreeing with Sentineil. Non native speaker error by my part! Mistakes were made.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2019/10/30 17:45:18
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
I equated value to quality, because I'm certain in this context they're the same thing. He managed to understand anyway, and the old box does look better now that he's shown it. I was just questioning the model count as a metric which didn't make any sense to me.
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Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
I equated value to quality, because I'm certain in this context they're the same thing. He managed to understand anyway, and the old box does look better now that he's shown it. I was just questioning the model count as a metric which didn't make any sense to me.
Well, I think we can mostly agree that most of these boxes are quite undesirable, judging by most of the comments. I'm not even remotely tempted, and I'd already started putting funds aside. Seems that someone at GW has messed up here.
/edit - I seriously overused the word "most" in this comment :s
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2019/10/30 18:15:48
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Sgt. Cortez wrote: If the CSM Start Collecting Box is the same price as the others but filled with the easy to build models it'll feel a little... underwhelming.
Why?
Besides, its clearly the Shadowspear stuff, exactly as is.
Not really, it's Shadowspear for CSM. SM side is lacking 2/3 of their HQs for some reason, even though GW included standalone CSM character. Walker alone made CSM side better proposition, add Skeletor for free and Vanguard look like garbage next to it...
0007/10/28 19:08:48
Subject: Re:Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
The 40K sets are very underwhelming for me with the possible exception of the Tyranid one ($255 USD RRP). Someone else can do a breakdown of the remaining 40K sets.
The AoS ones on the other hand are very tempting. Quick check seems to indicate that they offer a 20-28% discount off of regular retail price (RRP) assuming they are priced at $200 USD each.
Stormcast Eternals – Exorcism Soutlstrike: $275 USD RRP
Nighthaunt – Court of the Craven King: $255 USD RRP
Skaven – Corrupting War-Swarm: $250 USD RRP (Note price includes Clan Pestilens Army box which itself is combination of Start collecting! Skaven Pestilens and Vermin Lord)
Gloomspite Gitz – Caveshroom Loonz: $260 USD RRP
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2019/10/30 18:19:10
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
The Stormcast box looks... ok? If I wanted to actually finish my Sacrosanct stuff I'd be tempted to buy it.
The Drukhari box is really disappointing, I had a vague hope they might include the plastic incubi which even in a scattershot box like that would buoy interest. It's not like I can't find cheap Venoms and Reavers elsewhere.
I prefer to buy from miniature manufacturers that *don't* support the overthrow of democracy.
2019/10/30 18:19:23
Subject: Re:Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
What’s the savings on the Wolves box? It doesn’t look like much. I’ll be skipping it because I already have 10 wulfen and more intercessors than I can use, but I’m looking forward to buying the flyer and iron priest for cheaper on Ebay.
The Drukhari box looks like a solid deal, but the Razorwing and the Talos are the only things I want from it, so again it’s to Ebay I’ll go.
2019/10/30 18:21:55
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Well, I think we can mostly agree that most of these boxes are quite undesirable, judging by most of the comments. I'm not even remotely tempted, and I'd already started putting funds aside. Seems that someone at GW has messed up here.
/edit - I seriously overused the word "most" in this comment :s
Eh it really depends though. Also don't forget more experienced gamers tend to be much MUCH more picky with what they want in a discount bundle deal. Because they aren't just buying an army or models they are often buying to a specific shopping list that they've already put together. I think many people who are just open to starting an army without any pre-constructed list they are working toward and those newer to the game out to get started will find them great deals. Plus those who build larger/generic/unfocused armies/collections will likely like them as well.
I don't think GW "messed up" they are just not as interesting to some of us. Plus don't forget a good few (myself included) are not "interested" because the sets don't press the right buttons to overwhelm our current collecting focus in the hobby.
Plus lets not forget there's still 2 months till Christmas - a fair bit can change in that time. Perhaps finishing a project; getting extra money for Christmas etc... all positive things that could leave someone suddenly with money and time
Christmas battle forces used to be something I actually praised GW for. Previously they were a reasonable deal, and "most" of them were set-up to complement the Start Collecting box. The new T'au one is absolute gak compared to the last one, in my opinion...and same goes for the Space Wolves.
This old T'au Force is far better than the new one - and doesn't duplicate your Start Collecting box:
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People complained that these Battleforces weren't valid armies last year...so yeah. Tough. This year, 40k got a Patrol in a box for each set.
And frankly? The Tau Battleforce this year is full of more things that people are likely to use. Last year, we had people whining about the Broadside and the Pathfinders.
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2019/10/30 18:42:12
Subject: Possible GW Dec releases list (40k, Necro, Aos, BB, AI, LotR, Warcry, KT, BSF)
Overread wrote: Also don't forget more experienced gamers tend to be much MUCH more picky with what they want in a discount bundle deal.
Experienced gamers are the ones who will buy a box of 17 miniatures for $170-$200. I can't imagine these boxes hold much, or any, value for the casual player.
You know what does hold value for the casual player in this way? Those two army boxes that either sell out in 5 minutes or cost $230 to buy. Or the starter boxes that disappear after a month or cost $290 to buy. You know those casual players - always staying up late to order things before the preorder runs out and shelling out $200+ for things...
I don't think GW "messed up" they are just not as interesting to some of us.
They've been messing up for a while. The question isn't whether these boxes were any good, but why, after the past few months, we thought they could've been...
