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BrianDavion wrote:
(If anyone from GW is listening, track down the ABR sprues and put those out in a Ork box. you'd be doing Ork players a solid)

Unfortunately, GW didn't plan very well with this because the AoBR and Dark Vengeance Sprues were mixed between the factions, so no easy way to separate the Orks and Space Marines.

I do agree though with the observation on a new Start Collecting box trend to include more monopose stuff on combined sprues, separate from the normal kits. After all, it makes sense for GW to motivate people to buy separate kits later and not just repeated copies of the SC box, while also maintaining relatively high sales of the SC boxes due to exclusive models (e.g. Suppressors and Obliterators). Furthermore, the older SC boxes can easily be split for sale on eBay, further limiting GW's sales of individual kits, as people can just get them cheaper from eBay sellers instead (although it is harder to make a profit from eBay splitting the Start Collecting boxes since the price rises at the beginning of this year, so many of them are not as widely available on eBay as they used to be). Of course the monopose combined sprues can be split for eBay sales too, but more effort is involved.

The Nid one is a great deal.. I did think I have enough gants, gaunts, fees and tyrants but who am I kidding .. there's never enough. Might get a box and then add a few other critters to "round it out"..

The AoBR sets should be already separated. Battle of Vedros has the individual units sold in box sets. Colored plastic as well

GaroRobe wrote:
The AoBR sets should be already separated. Battle of Vedros has the individual units sold in box sets. Colored plastic as well

As far as I can tell, most of the Vedros box sets were different units, not from the original Black Reach box. The Battle of Vedros starter box just had original AoBR sprues, at least according to what I have seen on Youtube unboxing. However, I did notice one thing I was wrong about before: although two of the AoBR sprues are mixed, the third one is not - the sprue with the Warboss, 5 Nobz, 2 Big Shoota Boyz, and 1 Deffkopta is separate with no Space Marines. So it would be a good idea for GW to use that sprue as part of a Start Collecting Orks box; after all, the existing box doesn't even have any HQ units!

OrkPlayer137 wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
The AoBR sets should be already separated. Battle of Vedros has the individual units sold in box sets. Colored plastic as well

As far as I can tell, most of the Vedros box sets were different units, not from the original Black Reach box. The Battle of Vedros starter box just had original AoBR sprues, at least according to what I have seen on Youtube unboxing. However, I did notice one thing I was wrong about before: although two of the AoBR sprues are mixed, the third one is not - the sprue with the Warboss, 5 Nobz, 2 Big Shoota Boyz, and 1 Deffkopta is separate with no Space Marines. So it would be a good idea for GW to use that sprue as part of a Start Collecting Orks box; after all, the existing box doesn't even have any HQ units!

maybe 9th edition will be Space Marines vs Orks

I was all primed to grab a big marine box. With the rules updates I could use a squad or two of pretty much everything to build with other options.

Oh well.

Even without the extra HQs the start collecting is still worth it. But I never picked up shadowspear, so they are not duplicates for me.

 Nevelon wrote:
I was all primed to grab a big marine box. With the rules updates I could use a squad or two of pretty much everything to build with other options.

Oh well.

Even without the extra HQs the start collecting is still worth it. But I never picked up shadowspear, so they are not duplicates for me.

totally worth picking up, they're nice looking minis. I'm more leaning towards the CSM box myself as I hate the new lfight stands with a passion, but I do love me those new oblits.

Andykp wrote:
Mephiston getting new model? About time. That one sucks.

And yet Dante still rocking around with a model almost as old as I am...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Mephiston getting new model? About time. That one sucks.

And yet Dante still rocking around with a model almost as old as I am...

I guess GW figures It's only a problem when Dante's model is as old as he is!

I'm actually not excited about any of these boxes.

Wanted to get the Dark Eldar one but I was hoping it would be cabal focused and instead got a weird hodgepodge. No desire for the offerings which is good, saves me cash for Sisters I guess.

I'm kinda interested in the chaos box but with the Sororitas inbound I choose to not to buy it.....but it is tempting.

I was looking forward to an Astartes release that wasnt specific to any chapter.

The Drukhari box would be nice if it had a raider instead of jet bikes and venom. I have plenty of bikes and prefer raiders to venoms.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Mephiston getting new model? About time. That one sucks.

And yet Dante still rocking around with a model almost as old as I am...

I guess GW figures It's only a problem when Dante's model is as old as he is!

I would've had preferred Dante, as I already have a nice Mephy from wargames exclusive and his Rules are actually quite okay. Dante on the other side needs some GW rules attention and I guess there's no better way for this as getting primarised right now. At least model wise wargames also covers a nice Dante model, but it would be a shame to never use it actually.

 Kanluwen wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Yup, as I’ve been saying for a while, I think they’re going to start making monopose SC boxes out of boxed sets. Shadowspear made it pretty obvious that it was going to be that, and with the SoB coming, it points to a new trend.

Which is immediately discredited as a concept by the existence of Blood of the Phoenix and Feast of Bones--neither of which took after Shadowspear...

I was literally agreeing with YOUR post above mine. Good to see you’ve not changed and can’t wait to jump down someone’s throat.

Blood of the Phoenix is obviously different to Shadowspear, it’s a PA box, not a model range relaunch. AOS I can’t really comment on, it’s probably not financially viable to do. The two so far have been dead cert sellers, and Sisters likely will be.

God I get sick of having to explain every last detail of a post just because someone comes in with an ‘ackshually’ post immediately after.

I think thats most annoying of hearing what GW for sure won't do is that GW kind of pulls things out their collective rears sometimes to throw off those " Well, actually " responses.

Like GW putting out the start collecting single build/ ETB kits in them. That really shows GW isn't adverse to doing this at all and really any ideas should be on the table.

The Nid box is tempting me more, maybe it'll make me dig out my old gribblies and repaint them.

The Skaven box is also a really nice box!

So, let's sum up this release - zero primaris battleboxes (hell, they didn't even throw primaris Lt of either army in despite having tons lying around), zero primaris SC after three years (when even Vanguard from this year got one...), so much for pushing new army sales, eh?

I would be midly tempted by BA box if not for the fact I already bought both Sanguinary and Death Company as GW was raising prices earlier this year. Now I wonder, was price raise of both of these intended to pad 'value' of this battlebox? Thanks for killing my interest there GW btw, I hope selling me the two old, cheaper kits was worth losing the big box sale.

Well, on plus side, 'sQaTtEd' screeching finally got the memo how dumb they look and shut up, none of it in past few pages, unlike last year threads of the same release

Tyranid Horde wrote:The Nid box is tempting me more, maybe it'll make me dig out my old gribblies and repaint them.

The Skaven box is also a really nice box!

I've been drawn to those two myself.
The Nids because they have nearly all the classic stuff (and I already have some Warriors) and the Skaven because there's a lot of creepy lil dudes I could use as Chaos Cultists, the war machines I could definitely find some use for in converting vehicles and knight types, and I saw a couple of interesting uses for ratty character bois as the base of GSC conversions.

Irbis wrote:So, let's sum up this release - zero primaris battleboxes (hell, they didn't even throw primaris Lt of either army in despite having tons lying around), zero primaris SC after three years (when even Vanguard from this year got one...), so much for pushing new army sales, eh?

I would be midly tempted by BA box if not for the fact I already bought both Sanguinary and Death Company as GW was raising prices earlier this year. Now I wonder, was price raise of both of these intended to pad 'value' of this battlebox? Thanks for killing my interest there GW btw, I hope selling me the two old, cheaper kits was worth losing the big box sale.

Well, on plus side, 'sQaTtEd' screeching finally got the memo how dumb they look and shut up, none of it in past few pages, unlike last year threads of the same release

well, there's the new Shadowspear, and Space Wolves Primaris SC boxes, and if they're not any use, any of the Dark Imperium stuff, or buying the ETB kits separately would probably give a decent amount of Primaris if you're looking to save money. Considering what would probably be in a SC set is all already easily available at a discount maybe they've focussed more on giving us other stuff in those? Hell, see if you can nab some of the Conquest magazines for cheap on ebay. The generic Primaris probably go pretty cheap.

How much are these boxes again, in $US?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How much are these boxes again, in $US?

"Too much" $ . Otherwise most are 185$ with the exception of the skaven one being 200$ and the chaos and wolves ones being 170$

I'm glad we haven't got Primarised Dante yet. Primaris jump packs really don't look good. Shrike didn't turn out as bad as I had imagined, but it's still not a great look. Especially the lil thrusters on the back of the legs. If we get primaris with the older style jumppacks, that wouldn't be the worst thing. But for the time being, a new Dante would look too bulky and weird.

GaroRobe wrote:

I'm glad we haven't got Primarised Dante yet. Primaris jump packs really don't look good. Shrike didn't turn out as bad as I had imagined, but it's still not a great look. Especially the lil thrusters on the back of the legs. If we get primaris with the older style jumppacks, that wouldn't be the worst thing. But for the time being, a new Dante would look too bulky and weird

Shrike and Suppressors both suffer for the fact that they tried to make them retain the "Fly" keyword rather than giving them a bespoke movement rule coupled with the Grav-Chute Deployment(which is what the fluff says that Suppressors at least utilize).

The Suppressors are described as using the thrusters on the back of the legs in conjunction with the 'skids' to make bounding leaps rather than outright flight.

rhavien wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Mephiston getting new model? About time. That one sucks.

And yet Dante still rocking around with a model almost as old as I am...

I guess GW figures It's only a problem when Dante's model is as old as he is!

I would've had preferred Dante, as I already have a nice Mephy from wargames exclusive and his Rules are actually quite okay. Dante on the other side needs some GW rules attention and I guess there's no better way for this as getting primarised right now. At least model wise wargames also covers a nice Dante model, but it would be a shame to never use it actually.

I'm willing to bet we'll see a Dante Primaris model with the release of their 9th ed/next codex. That's part of what PA is for, a trickle of models to keep us hooked and spread out releases.Same with characters like Azrael, Logan etc

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How much are these boxes again, in $US?

Since kidneys usually sell for about $5,000 on the black market, these boxes are worth approximately 3.7% of a kidney. If you buy all of them, it is worth more than 30% of a kidney.

GaroRobe wrote:

Spoiler:

rhavien wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Mephiston getting new model? About time. That one sucks.

And yet Dante still rocking around with a model almost as old as I am...

I guess GW figures It's only a problem when Dante's model is as old as he is!

I would've had preferred Dante, as I already have a nice Mephy from wargames exclusive and his Rules are actually quite okay. Dante on the other side needs some GW rules attention and I guess there's no better way for this as getting primarised right now. At least model wise wargames also covers a nice Dante model, but it would be a shame to never use it actually.

I'm glad we haven't got Primarised Dante yet. Primaris jump packs really don't look good. Shrike didn't turn out as bad as I had imagined, but it's still not a great look. Especially the lil thrusters on the back of the legs. If we get primaris with the older style jumppacks, that wouldn't be the worst thing. But for the time being, a new Dante would look too bulky and weird.

unless they took the grav vanes at the back and worked them into a wing set up etc so that dante's wings WHERE his jump pack. which would be pretty awesome

Not gonna lie, the Skaven box set is a disappointment. Two grey seers and a unit of clan rats? If this is supposed to be a corruption box set, it should have included two units of monks and no clan rats. The grey seer is doable, but CRs are a bad addition and make the box pretty well pants.

GaroRobe wrote:
The AoBR sets should be already separated. Battle of Vedros has the individual units sold in box sets. Colored plastic as well

GW canned Battle for Vedros some time ago.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How much are these boxes again, in $US?

Since kidneys usually sell for about $5,000 on the black market, these boxes are worth approximately 3.7% of a kidney. If you buy all of them, it is worth more than 30% of a kidney.

percentage of kidney needs to be how we compare all GW prices moving forwards.

balmong7 wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How much are these boxes again, in $US?

Since kidneys usually sell for about $5,000 on the black market, these boxes are worth approximately 3.7% of a kidney. If you buy all of them, it is worth more than 30% of a kidney.

percentage of kidney needs to be how we compare all GW prices moving forwards.

[H] Kidney [W] Mechanicum, Contemptors (any legion), Solar Auxilia [Loc] UK

I'm tempted to start a drukhari army, but I'm not sure it's a good box to start. What do you guys think ?

I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.