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Yoyoyo wrote:
Well we can see the Table of Contents. That gives you a pretty good idea what's coming. Daemon Weapons, Relics, Stratagems, and WL traits can all be quite powerful when they're taken in combination..

This isn't necessarily true. We can get hyped or disappointed at what we see so far, but always reserve judgement until the full contents are known and confirmed.

Darsath wrote:
This isn't necessarily true. We can get hyped or disappointed at what we see so far, but always reserve judgement until the full contents are known and confirmed.

It's all masturbatory shiny baubles until they fix the fundamental problems with CSM.

Doesn't change the fact that your CSM models, of any flavor, are objectively inferior to any equivalent SM put on the table.

But there's apparently a very fluffy contingent of CSM players that like shiny baubles.

Darsath wrote:
We can get hyped or disappointed at what we see so far

True, but it would make sense to discuss what's relevant. Points Values and Statline adjustments are going to be in Chapter Approved.

What we can expect is:

- Heretic Astartes (probably a splash/lore page)
- Champions of Ruin (collating Hateful Assault, Bolter Discipline, DttFE, Daemonic Ritual)
- Daemon Weapons (available to every Legion, excluding Marks)
- Legion (splash page, Legion rules)
- WL trait
- Stratagems
- Relics
- Tactical Objectives
- Name Generator

Yoyoyo wrote:
What we can expect is:

- Heretic Astartes (probably a splash/lore page)
- Champions of Ruin (collating Hateful Assault, Bolter Discipline, DttFE, Daemonic Ritual)
- Daemon Weapons (available to every Legion, excluding Marks)
- Legion (splash page, Legion rules)
- WL trait
- Stratagems
- Relics
- Tactical Objectives
- Name Generator

None of which actually fixes anything. Again, masturbatory waste of time, just another GW cash grab. All of this information will be available elsewhere, no reason to buy the supplement.

*heavy breathing waiting for CSM focus article*

I'm actually kinda annoyed the Daemon Weapons aren't giving D6 attacks like before.

What will be most valuable is the opportunity to kit out your characters for different roles. The AP5 D2 sword for going after Marines and Cents, exploding Mortal Wounds for massed infantry, Invul save denial for going after 4++ units. It would be good if there's a D6 damage can opener as well so Daemon Princes can take on Knights within the CSM codex.

You'll probably be able to stack WL Trait --> Daemon Weapon --> Stratagem so that's quite a bit of punch you can throw on a HQ. Smash Captains for everyone basically, but with a lot more flexibility in their melee loadout.

Still no article. D:

GW fears to show WB rules.

I mean after the last time, can't say I blame them. If they show it and STILL no adjustments to the lame traits there will be rioting.

Wayniac wrote:
I mean after the last time, can't say I blame them. If they show it and STILL no adjustments to the lame traits there will be rioting.

+1 Leadership to vehicles!


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Hey new model for us!



Wait...no...Sisters article...

Guess we have to wait until at least tomorrow then for a preview. Bleh! At least we'll get the full hit this weekend, so long as the reviewers are allowed to dump all the information out.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
+1 Leadership to vehicles!

Don't give them ideas

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I mean after the last time, can't say I blame them. If they show it and STILL no adjustments to the lame traits there will be rioting.

+1 Leadership to vehicles!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hey new model for us!

Spoiler:

Wait...no...Sisters article...

Hey proper defilement here and there, stick a eight pointed star, maaaaybe a skull or 80 and viola! a Dark Apostles floating sermon chair!

(Jokes aside, new sisters look amazing except for the Canoness who looks like Terry Crews dressed as He-man!)

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

Hey proper defilement here and there, stick a eight pointed star, maaaaybe a skull or 80 and viola! a Dark Apostles floating sermon chair!

(Jokes aside, new sisters look amazing except for the Canoness who looks like Terry Crews dressed as He-man!)

....I like the way you think.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/14/battle-sisters-on-the-battlefield-part-2gw-homepage-post-1/

Appears no CSM update today either.

It's almost like they know it's a garbage supplement that will be received negatively...

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/14/battle-sisters-on-the-battlefield-part-2gw-homepage-post-1/

Appears no CSM update today either.

It's almost like they know it's a garbage supplement that will be received negatively...

Or, conversely. It's going to be an amazing supplement and they want to save all of that goodness for your inevitable purchase?

I'm personally hoping for some revamped rules for some of my favorite daemon weapons from the past. Like the Kai gun, burning brand of scalathrax and the one Khorne glaive from the 3.5 codex I can't remember what it's called. Plus the one flamer sword. Basically all the ones from 3.5 codex.

 chimeara wrote:
Or, conversely. It's going to be an amazing supplement and they want to save all of that goodness for your inevitable purchase?

I'm personally hoping for some revamped rules for some of my favorite daemon weapons from the past. Like the Kai gun, burning brand of scalathrax and the one Khorne glaive from the 3.5 codex I can't remember what it's called. Plus the one flamer sword. Basically all the ones from 3.5 codex

Oh, I'm definitely not giving GW money for it, that's guaranteed at this point.

As for the Daemon Weapons, sure, maybe they'll manage not to trip on that low bar, but I'm certainly not rewarding their apathy with my money.

There is an update on Warhammer Community. Including a Stratagem to update CSM HQ characters

Nope. No money for gw until I know that my night lords get good rules. And it doesn't look like they're very proud of whatever they have.

a_typical_hero wrote:
There is an update on Warhammer Community. Including a Stratagem to update CSM HQ characters

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/14/chaos-space-marines-why-you-need-faith-furygw-homepage-post-4/

Sweet, happy to be wrong.

Sadly it confirms I'm not giving GW money for this waste of paper.

Locking the Dark Apostle upgrade to Word Bearers only is a exceptional level of hosing.

a_typical_hero wrote:
There is an update on Warhammer Community. Including a Stratagem to update CSM HQ characters

Feth. That's the fastest I've ever ate my own words. Well I guess I can finally stop a unit from running away from combat.

But why do ALL loyalists get to upgrade their chaplains but only wb get to upgrade their da?

So we get AP-1 cultists

So first they nerf them into the ground for everyone, then they add this?
You know, with Votwl and Cacophony still affecting them?
Like? Why?

Gadzilla666 wrote:
But why do ALL loyalists get to upgrade their chaplains but only wb get to upgrade their da?

I am so looking forward to when they lock Sorc upgrades to TS, that will be amazing.

I mean these are bandaids and not actually that bad. The WB and IW WLTs are decent. It's just that combined with everything else, they repeatedly fail to address the most basic issue so these are still hot garbage. It's not the parts themselves but the whole. Giving decent WLTs to a crap army while neglecting the core issues doesn't make it any less of a crap army.

The fact they are giving cultists a buff when the problem already is that Alpha Legion (or was it Red Corsairs now?) and cultist spam is the "best" way to play is a fething joke, seriously.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:
There is an update on Warhammer Community. Including a Stratagem to update CSM HQ characters

Feth. That's the fastest I've ever ate my own words. Well I guess I can finally stop a unit from running away from combat.

But why do ALL loyalists get to upgrade their chaplains but only wb get to upgrade their da?

Theoretically, every Chapter has a head Chaplain/Librarian/Techmarine/etc, but only the Word Bearers have a Dark Council/tend to have Dark Apostles with additional gifts?

I dunno, I don't write for GW, but presumably they thought it only fit with the WB from a flavour perspective?

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
But why do ALL loyalists get to upgrade their chaplains but only wb get to upgrade their da?

I am so looking forward to when they lock Sorc upgrades to TS, that will be amazing.

Maybe it's one of those strategems everyone gets but under different names.

Wonder if they'll have anything that works on vehicles.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
But why do ALL loyalists get to upgrade their chaplains but only wb get to upgrade their da?

I am so looking forward to when they lock Sorc upgrades to TS, that will be amazing.

Maybe it's one of those strategems everyone gets but under different names.

Wonder if they'll have anything that works on vehicles.

At most some buff to daemonengines, which will not fix daemonengines, because pay your bloody spike tax on them.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Maybe it's one of those strategems everyone gets but under different names.

Wonder if they'll have anything that works on vehicles.

Maybe, guess I'll find out when BattleScribe is updated.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:
There is an update on Warhammer Community. Including a Stratagem to update CSM HQ characters

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/14/chaos-space-marines-why-you-need-faith-furygw-homepage-post-4/

Sweet, happy to be wrong.

Sadly it confirms I'm not giving GW money for this waste of paper.

Locking the Dark Apostle upgrade to Word Bearers only is a exceptional level of hosing.

A Thunder Hammer that always wounds on 2+ and a Stratagem that just plain turns off falling back and the supplement is "a waste of paper"? Yes, there's a 1/6 chance of the Power Fist relic going wrong, but wounding T8 on a 2+ is great. Reroll charge/hit/wound is similarly great for a Slaanesh Character.

I can agree on the locking of the Apostle upgrade being stupid though.