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Are Daemon Weapons artifacts? Otherwise, Malefic Talons plus elixir could potentially be pretty nasty.

It looks like the Nurgle fist is good vs. vehicles, Khorne/Slaneesh weapons are decent for chopping up marines, and Tzeentch/Undivided will wreck anything with an Invul save.

Since the WB WL can get the Possessed keyword, it might be possible for the Nurgle fist to hit at a flat 4dmg. Guaranteed Prescience on that too.

 blood reaper wrote:
Are Daemon Weapons artifacts? Otherwise, Malefic Talons plus elixir could potentially be pretty nasty.

Unfortunately they are artifacts/relics

You've got options now that are potentially much better than the Elixir. +1S +1A on a rerollable charge is more decisive and gels better with the new EC Stratagems.

Put the WL Trait and the Daemon Weapon on one HQ, put the Raiment on the other so you now have rerollable charges on both. There's also a relic that shuts down Overwatch with no exceptions, so you can lock down units with nasty overwatch tricks and then send your beatstick HQs in after.

Well I play Renegades/Alpha Legion, so I won't be using the EC traits; but I might try out the Daemon Weapons though I'm tremendously adverse to unreliable weaponry. Anything that kills Tau Riptides quicker is appreciated though.

Nurgle Fist can potentially kill a Riptide in 1 turn though you'd have to be awfully lucky.

With luck it can take down a knight with daemon buffs and portents, that goes for any of the 3 damage weapons. WB can make any infantry/bike into a daemon, meaning you can use virulent blessings on top of VotLW and portents and the extra damage stratagem for being a possessed. So 4 damage + another for the locus and you might get 10 damage hits via the blessing. Not that it's practical to do this.

Black Axe is not an outwardly impressive relic but it's generic meaning you can put it on an Exalted RC Champion.

Warptime + Advance and Charge will probably allow you to snipe out a more important character without issue. That's decent value for a 70pt HQ tax.

Yoyoyo wrote:
Black Axe is not an outwardly impressive relic but it's generic meaning you can put it on an Exalted RC Champion.

Warptime + Advance and Charge will probably allow you to snipe out a more important character without issue. That's decent value for a 70pt HQ tax.

Or I can just use the Murder Sword since the dude isn't gonna live afterwards anyway so who cares about the single dude restriction, especially when it doesn't roll a D6 to determine if it actually frickin works.

I think you have to name the character so you can't pick targets of opportunity. Your opponent is going to know exactly who you're gunning for.

Yoyoyo wrote:
I think you have to name the character so you can't pick targets of opportunity. Your opponent is going to know exactly who you're gunning for.

and thus will thus deploy em behind a screen if he's not a complete fething idiot.

I mean, I think we can all read a profile.

You're doing a fairly consistent 4-5MW to a T4 3++ character and slipping another 1-2 through the armor save. Nobody should be expecting miracles but it's enough to chop down a TH/SS Smash Captain that costs more than twice the points of an Exalted Champ in one turn.

Yoyoyo wrote:
I mean, I think we can all read a profile.

You're doing a fairly consistent 4-5MW to a T4 3++ character and slipping another 1-2 through the armor save. Nobody should be expecting miracles but it's enough to chop down a TH/SS Smash Captain that costs more than twice the points of an Exalted Champ in one turn.

yeah but it can't one shot a warlord titan so it's crap!

Yoyoyo wrote:
I think you have to name the character so you can't pick targets of opportunity. Your opponent is going to know exactly who you're gunning for.

Ergo forcing the opponent to deploy differently than normal in certain aspects. That makes it a more tactical tool right there.

Plus what else are you gonna really want to charge with the Axe anyway that the Sword won't do a better job on? You talked about killing a Slamguinus equivalent but they don't exactly use the most screening by the time you can even do a Champion + Warptime with reasonable success.


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BrianDavion wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:
I mean, I think we can all read a profile.

You're doing a fairly consistent 4-5MW to a T4 3++ character and slipping another 1-2 through the armor save. Nobody should be expecting miracles but it's enough to chop down a TH/SS Smash Captain that costs more than twice the points of an Exalted Champ in one turn.

yeah but it can't one shot a warlord titan so it's crap!

Literally nobody said that, so stop your white knighting.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Plus what else are you gonna really want to charge with the Axe anyway that the Sword won't do a better job on?

Anything with a decent Invul save that isn't the named target. They both do about 5-6 wounds on the designated target anyway -- the fact that the Axe MWs are in addition to the weapon profile, while the Sword MWs are instead of the weapon profile, makes them balance out fairly evenly.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Ergo forcing the opponent to deploy differently than normal in certain aspects. That makes it a more tactical tool right there.

You're arguing with someone who believes 40k is an RPG. 'Tactical decisions' are not what this person is considering. He has no concept of rules balance. It's a waste of your time.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
'Tactical decisions' are not what this person is considering.

Well, as Sun-Tzu stated:

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”

Naming your target at the start of the game would seem to give away your intentions, as well as inviting counterplay by your opponent. But anyways. On to the pure math of things:

- Murder Sword against named target: 6 hits = 6 wounds.
- Murder Sword against 3++, non-target: 6 hits = 6(0.89)(0.33) = 1.76 wounds.
- Black Axe: 6 hits, rerolling wounds = 6(0.75)+6(0.75)(0.33) = 5.985 wounds.

There are pros and cons to everything. As they say in my 40k instagram fanfiction group

Yoyoyo wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
'Tactical decisions' are not what this person is considering.

Well, as Sun-Tzu stated:

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”

Naming your target at the start of the game would seem to give away your intentions, as well as inviting counterplay by your opponent. But anyways. On to the pure math of things:

- Murder Sword against named target: 6 hits = 6 wounds.
- Murder Sword against 3++, non-target: 6 hits = 6(0.89)(0.33) = 1.76 wounds.
- Black Axe: 6 hits, rerolling wounds = 6(0.75)+6(0.75)(0.33) = 5.985 wounds.

There are pros and cons to everything. As they say in my 40k instagram fanfiction group

Murder Sword can also be used on a suicide Jump Lord too and not need to worry about having to reroll to wound.

The Black Axe is only neat and that's it. Neat doesn't do anything for the army.

Totally different scenarios, really.

An Exalted Champion will be escorting a unit -- not diving the enemy lines.