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 DarkBlack wrote:

Nevelon wrote:One advantage to keeping the old scale is a ready made playerbase. There are old grognards like me with dusty shelves who would slap an army down on the table given half a chance.

I always enjoyed WHFB when I played it (5th-6th ed). I said at the time that Fantasy was won in the movement and psychology phases, while 40k was won in the shooting/assault. AoS (while fun) never scratched that same itch. I liked the blocks of troops maneuvering around.

um... Ever try Kings of War? I really recommend it and it sounds like you would too.

This reinforces my point about a good playerbase being important. I’ve read good things about KoW. Would probably enjoy playing it. I know zero people in the area who play. It can be the best ruleset ever written, with minis so beautiful angels shed tears of joy to gaze upon them. But if nobody plays in your area, it doesn’t mater. The closer of the FLGS I have in the area has zero fantasy presence. If I even want to get a game of AoS in, it’s an hour drive down to the store with a better community. Sigmar scratches the same itch as 40k though, so I’m not willing to invest the time to get down there to play.

But breaking out the movement trays and wheeling into the charge? I might make the trip.

https://jobs.games-workshop.com/search-and-apply/background-writer?fbclid=IwAR1LcdhjD82JPyAtqeY_lgq3hs5TFIWp_HuN4RXaASBNIOCAPkSAqophsvo

Do you want to write engaging background for the Specialist Brands range of games?

Are you excited about working collaboratively within a team of professional miniatures designers, artists, editors and writers to produce new background for Adeptus Titanicus, Necromunda, Warhammer: The Old World, Horus Heresy and other games and supplements?

Seems to confirm that it'll be a Specialist Game, despite the slightly vague wording in the initial post. Also that'd be a sweet job if you got it.

The rumor that most retailers have heard is that GW is bringing Forgeworld into the fold, so it's not so much that Warhammer the Old World will be a "specialist game", it's more like all "specialist games" will now be fully GW, not Forgeworld. This is already apparent in the Titanicus and Aeronautica releases that have plastic sprue models rather than resin models. GW is moving away from resin because it is too easy to create the molds by thieves in Russia and China. I expect that the Old World release will feature plastic miniatures.

GW is moving away from resin because it is too easy to create the molds by thieves in Russia and China

Because it's impossible to make resin moulds for plastic sprues and elements. Plain can't be done, resin
repels plastic on onthological level

Smellingsalts wrote:
The rumor that most retailers have heard is that GW is bringing Forgeworld into the fold, so it's not so much that Warhammer the Old World will be a "specialist game", it's more like all "specialist games" will now be fully GW, not Forgeworld. This is already apparent in the Titanicus and Aeronautica releases that have plastic sprue models rather than resin models. GW is moving away from resin because it is too easy to create the molds by thieves in Russia and China. I expect that the Old World release will feature plastic miniatures.

Tbh, even if it did end up being a traditional 'Specialist Game' I was still expecting plastic miniatures, much like Blood Bowl. Given the massively expanded factory space they have now, I'd expect more 'sidelines' to be done in plastic. Which tallies with your comments regarding blurring the lines between GW and Forge World.

Cronch wrote:

GW is moving away from resin because it is too easy to create the molds by thieves in Russia and China

Because it's impossible to make resin moulds for plastic sprues and elements. Plain can't be done, resin
repels plastic on onthological level

Nice snark. If the choice is resin or resin, then I guess it won’t matter to most who manufactures it, if you can save a buck.
If the choice is well made plastic kits and pirated resin, I suspect most would likely prefer the well made plastic kits. I think that’s the point of the choice to bring Forge world into the fold.

Dread Master wrote:

Cronch wrote:

GW is moving away from resin because it is too easy to create the molds by thieves in Russia and China

Because it's impossible to make resin moulds for plastic sprues and elements. Plain can't be done, resin
repels plastic on onthological level

Nice snark. If the choice is resin or resin, then I guess it won’t matter to most who manufactures it, if you can save a buck.
If the choice is well made plastic kits and pirated resin, I suspect most would likely prefer the well made plastic kits. I think that’s the point of the choice to bring Forge world into the fold.

People buy recasts of FW because the resin kits are often hideously expensive for what you get. They buy recasts of plastic kits less often because the price difference between them often isn't enough to justify the bother, but there are still plenty of GW plastic kits that have almost as big a differential as FW resin does.

Switching to plastic in and of itself will do zero, zilch, nada, nowt and nuffink to combat recasting, because with GW switching to plastic is no guarantee the prices will be appreciably better.

They can go 100% plastic and make the kits as fiddly as they like, recasts will continue to be a thing so long as the recasters can sell stuff for less a than a third the price of 25% online discounted GW kits and make a profit doing it(and, for the benefit of the mods and those rushing off to saddle their white chargers - I'm not saying that's a good thing, or that anyone should buy it, it's just reality).

I think so long as GW engages in regional pricing for their miniatures, upping the cost when it isn't warranted by the exchange rate, then there will always be a market for resin recasts, even of plastic sprues. I think GW wishes it had an easy solution to this problem, rather than having to deal with a root cause.

All of this is assuming the rumour is even true, of course. Forge World is still putting out weekly resin releases, including some pricy tanks that recasters will probably be all over.

I really hope they go for plastic. I've somehow developed an intolerance of some sort to super glue that makes me feel ill for several hours the day after I do some resin assembling. The GW plastic glue is fine and even though the plastic technically has less detail, I find it looks nicer as a whole compared to resin.

I bought a bunch of plastic High Elf stuff still on sprue, and I can't wait to see what the Old World is gonna be so I can start assembling and painting. 3 years is going to feel like forever...

The way this has been previewed I suspect the idea is to very much base it on what we once had, an old world with several different races and factions all at war with one another. Possibly even focusing starter sets on battles we once knew about, a boxed set based on the War of the Beard for example with starter forces for Elves and Dwarves, I'm not sure whether they'll release new kits or not. That would depend if GW are going to create this themselves and have it in their stores or more likely I'd guess it'll end up with Forgeworld and already shudder at the potential costs.
Hopefully we get some more snippets of official info to add fuel to our conjecturing.

 Orodhen wrote:
I really hope they go for plastic. I've somehow developed an intolerance of some sort to super glue that makes me feel ill for several hours the day after I do some resin assembling. The GW plastic glue is fine and even though the plastic technically has less detail, I find it looks nicer as a whole compared to resin.

I bought a bunch of plastic High Elf stuff still on sprue, and I can't wait to see what the Old World is gonna be so I can start assembling and painting. 3 years is going to feel like forever...

Well, if they go for resin you can probably still use the exelent plastic high elves. And you can use these waiting years trying to figure out how to place units of phoenix guard base to base.

I honestly think the date is set so far in the future (3 or 4 years) because every thing is going to be re-imagined in plastic and in modern GW style, quality... and price. (gulp).

The only question is goig to be how much will be compatible between it and AoS. I'm really only expecting the Lizardmen and Chaos warriors to be.

I can't see them using resin.

It's just too expensive on both ends of the scale. Resin is more hands-on casting which ups production costs. If GW makes a mass battle rank and file game out of resin its going to require a LOT of production time for them, even as a niche product.

At the customer level needing 30 or 40 resin warriors per unit and having multiple units would put the prices up so high that very few would be willing to buy into the actual models.


It would be a daft choice on both ends and would basically kill itself very fast, save for a very small niche of customers able and willing to pay those kinds of costs, which might not even be all that profitable for GW.


I'd expect it to be plastic for all the infantry and cavalry. Maybe upgrade parts and characters in resin - ergo smaller scale production stuff

It could be a testament to GW's expectations, if they do indeed make a mass battle game in resin.
Or it won't be mass battle game at all, at this point they could make a card game, with a pack of square bases for nostalgia's sake thrown in. Or gummy bears.

I want Tomb King gummy bears...

I know they said it's like three years out and it's not realistic to expect anything concrete for a long while, but I really hope they follow up on the announcement with the occasional article. Otherwise this early announcement is just bogus. Waiting for Sisters news for that first year without much to go on was bad enough, and that was just 18 months of wait.

I kind of wish they hadn't announced it. I was contemplating a new AoS army, and now I'm debating the merits of polishing up an existing square base army instead. But that of course assumes it will take off again, and I don't really want to waste the work if it doesn't.

Sort of feel like a salesman has talked me out of a sale, and rather than deal with it, encouraged me to do something else entirely.

I sincerely doubt they will do this in resin. Part of the problem with WFB, according to some, was the massive buy in price. I don't see them quadrupling it for a relaunch. I also don't see them doing Warmaster, so what I think is going to happen is some universal sprue for the older armies they do, that way customers will have to buy multiple copies of whatever boxed sets to make their army. Recoup mold costs rather quickly.

I honestly can't see Warmaster returning until after Epic 40K returns and if it does financially REALLY well upon returning. Even then I don't see Epic returning for a very very long time.

Voss wrote:
I kind of wish they hadn't announced it. I was contemplating a new AoS army, and now I'm debating the merits of polishing up an existing square base army instead. But that of course assumes it will take off again, and I don't really want to waste the work if it doesn't.

Sort of feel like a salesman has talked me out of a sale, and rather than deal with it, encouraged me to do something else entirely.

Magnetize the bases?

 Just Tony wrote:
I sincerely doubt they will do this in resin. Part of the problem with WFB, according to some, was the massive buy in price. I don't see them quadrupling it for a relaunch. I also don't see them doing Warmaster, so what I think is going to happen is some universal sprue for the older armies they do, that way customers will have to buy multiple copies of whatever boxed sets to make their army. Recoup mold costs rather quickly.

As someone who was getting into Fantasy at the end of its life the buy in was a huge issue. For example my army would have cost over £100 and that was at half the standard point limit for my area.

pm713 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I sincerely doubt they will do this in resin. Part of the problem with WFB, according to some, was the massive buy in price. I don't see them quadrupling it for a relaunch. I also don't see them doing Warmaster, so what I think is going to happen is some universal sprue for the older armies they do, that way customers will have to buy multiple copies of whatever boxed sets to make their army. Recoup mold costs rather quickly.

As someone who was getting into Fantasy at the end of its life the buy in was a huge issue. For example my army would have cost over £100 and that was at half the standard point limit for my area.

100 quid for an army? That was filthy cheap by the end, chuck another zero on there. Some single regiments cost more than that.

No matter what else they do they're either going to have to steer back towards 6th edition-sized armies, or make the individual boxes much better value than they were by the end of WHFB's life. Ideally they'd be doing both.

Yeah, that's a trifle for a end-of-life fantasy army.

Goldswords and Goldigors go their names for a reason.

pm713 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I sincerely doubt they will do this in resin. Part of the problem with WFB, according to some, was the massive buy in price. I don't see them quadrupling it for a relaunch. I also don't see them doing Warmaster, so what I think is going to happen is some universal sprue for the older armies they do, that way customers will have to buy multiple copies of whatever boxed sets to make their army. Recoup mold costs rather quickly.

As someone who was getting into Fantasy at the end of its life the buy in was a huge issue. For example my army would have cost over £100 and that was at half the standard point limit for my area.

100 for half the points played is the current price for AoS if you go for the cheap stuff

For Old World, expect something like the Necromunda Box, ~15 Sprues (less terrain, more models) ~200-250 as starting price

I wish someone would edit the the topic title to get rid of the stupid woooot in effffff etc .

No one actually knows beyond a few at GW HQ.

Most of the predictions now will go on to live alongside the hard plastic blood bowl pitch, 28mm inquisitor game, plastic thunder hawks from multiple years , reissued plastic original Marines etc

Tomb Kings and Bretonnia in the first boxed release, a man can dream.

 Eiríkr wrote:
Tomb Kings and Bretonnia in the first boxed release, a man can dream.

It’s a nice dream, but I struggle to stay to 3 armies as it is.
Those 2 being favourites of mine would make that impossible lol.

Would be cool to get a throwback box set though, new Seraphon and bretts.

I know we'll just theorycraft in circles, but I sincerely believe this will be a 15mm(ish) game using roughly 6th Edition WHFB rules. I think it is about the only way to make it viable from a production and profit stand-point.

Anything else would require it being a proper third-pillar game for them.

What's significantly different about 6th? What makes that the ideal ruleset to base a new game on?

I think early 6th edition was just the most fun the game ever was, for a variety of reasons. You had regiments of around 16-20 troops which were more manageable on the tabletop than the huge hordes of 8th edition, normal infantry and cavalry were the core of the game, and heroes and magic were more like fantasy flavour on the core game. Monsters were scary but could be managed with good tactics. The size of the game was more reasonable.
There were issues of course, but to my mind, the game was the best it ever was in that period (for reference, I played 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th editions.

I think as a game, Kings of War was a better successor than 8th edition, but if you want old school old world, 6th is the best. (7th was not that different, but it had issues due to some of the army books being unbalanced).