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I would guess WH:TOW will come out first with a book for Everyone, like 8th edition 40k, and then after will start focusing on races involved on some bigger campaign, like psychic awakening.

Something like:
Rulebook
Index: Everyone army lists
Emperors campaign book 1: The Empire (duh)
Emperors campaign book 2: orks, dwarves??
Emperors campaign book 3: beastmen, bretonnians?

I wouldn't expect them to hold on too tightly to time periods. LotR still lets you fight the Uruk-Hai using Kingdom of Arnor for instance.

 ph34r wrote:
I would guess WH:TOW will come out first with a book for Everyone, like 8th edition 40k, and then after will start focusing on races involved on some bigger campaign, like psychic awakening.

Something like:
Rulebook
Index: Everyone army lists
Emperors campaign book 1: The Empire (duh)
Emperors campaign book 2: orks, dwarves??
Emperors campaign book 3: beastmen, bretonnians?

If they follow the Horus Heresy model and focus on the Empire and campaigns, it will likely be:
Book 1: The Three Emperors (Focuses on the Empire City States)
Book 2: Waaagh Gorbad Ironclaw
Book 3: The Vampire Wars - Part 1: Vlad Von Carstein.
Book 4: The Vampire Wars - Part 2: Konrad Von Carstein
Book 5: The Vampire Wars - Part 3: Manfred Von Carstein.
Book 6: The Great War Against Chaos - Part 1: The Invasion Begins
Book 7: The Great War Against Chaos - Part 2: The Siege of Prague
Book 8: The Great War Against Chaos - Part 3: The Battle for Kislev

If they do a full Kislev faction I think I will loose my mind and all my monies.

 Argive wrote:
If they do a full Kislev faction I think I will loose my mind and all my monies.

Same, and I wouldn't regret a thing. Been eyeing terribly overpriced Kislevites on ebay for too long not to be easily swayed.

Map-wise, it would be a logical inclusion, and I would argue a great draw for veterans. Could also tie in with Total War, as the Third game may well feature Kislev...

I want Tilean city states, but Im also not gonna hold my breath.

Been eyeing terribly overpriced Kislevites on ebay for too long not to be easily swayed.

There are always Warlord's Winged Hussars. Be careful however, their lances can really kill you.

Hahaha people be talking about model ranges for human subfactions and I'm the crazy one for thinking it will be a different scale.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hahaha people be talking about model ranges for human subfactions and I'm the crazy one for thinking it will be a different scale.

If they were to produce a Kislev subfaction by some miracle it would still be playable in AOS or even older systems. If they move the entire thing to a new scale that fits neither WFB or Warmaster, it will fail and only every be useful in that one ruleset. No, scale change is a pipe dream and you ARE crazy for thinking that GW would swing it that way.

Maybe it's going to be something like Apocalypse, but for Fantasy?
Take the Apoc unit trays, call them regimentbase and insert factions - done

okay, not really "done" done, but you get the idea...

Nibbler wrote:
Maybe it's going to be something like Apocalypse, but for Fantasy?
Take the Apoc unit trays, call them regimentbase and insert factions - done

okay, not really "done" done, but you get the idea...

So essentially trayed AOS despite explicitly showing a square slottabase and pointing out its setting in the Old World?


No, it's not going to be that. If they wanted to do trayed AOS they would simply do trayed AOS. This is going to be something different than AOS or it will be DOA.

Dont put anything past them. I could see it being trayed AOS. Simply because thats the thing I'd want least lol and that seems to be par for the GW course for me over the past many years.

 auticus wrote:
Dont put anything past them. I could see it being trayed AOS. Simply because thats the thing I'd want least lol and that seems to be par for the GW course for me over the past many years.

While that is unfortunately as accurate a way of predicting what GW is going to do as any, I don't think it's going to happen in this case. Old World is Forge World and the main studio will want to keep an AoS version with movement trays for themselves for a future expansion. Forge World using the same system, and potentially earlier at that, would be awkward.

Given Old World is Forge World's system I think it will go much like Specialist Games systems. It will recognizably hark back to old Warhammer Fantasy in feel to play on people's nostalgia, but get some modern mechanics and miniature designs that the current designers just can't do without, for good or ill. It'll have a slowish release pace and it'll have a strong microtransaction feel. But if you liked Warhammer Fantasy at any point in the last twenty years, you'll probably get something that is reminiscent of that to a degree that it feels good enough as a new version of Warhammer Fantasy.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hahaha people be talking about model ranges for human subfactions and I'm the crazy one for thinking it will be a different scale.

I mean I think you are crazy for thinking it will be a different scale.

But I’m putting anyone who suggests an army that isn’t one of the previous ones, in that same crazy camp.

Caveat: if this thing sells well and does great things, then after all the old armies are out, sure I could see them moving to something new, but it would be way down the line.
Also, I mean all the previous armies, that would be about in the setting they choose, obviously some they may skip over, and then could get to new lists quicker, but all the elves dwarfs empire chaos undead etc would all be first.
And empire may well look different, ish, but not as different as looking Kislevite or anything, they’d have to be their own new thing..)

All in my opinion of course..

Danny76 wrote:


I mean I think you are crazy for thinking it will be a different scale.

But I’m putting anyone who suggests an army that isn’t one of the previous ones, in that same crazy camp.

Caveat: if this thing sells well and does great things, then after all the old armies are out, sure I could see them moving to something new, but it would be way down the line.
Also, I mean all the previous armies, that would be about in the setting they choose, obviously some they may skip over, and then could get to new lists quicker, but all the elves dwarfs empire chaos undead etc would all be first.
And empire may well look different, ish, but not as different as looking Kislevite or anything, they’d have to be their own new thing..)

All in my opinion of course..

I think you hit the nail on the head here.

It's likely they'll start with armies they know people like and collect. It's less risky since, they don't know how well the new game will stick.

If it does do well, then obviously they can take the gamble of releasing more niche factions into the game.

Danny76 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hahaha people be talking about model ranges for human subfactions and I'm the crazy one for thinking it will be a different scale.

I mean I think you are crazy for thinking it will be a different scale.

But I’m putting anyone who suggests an army that isn’t one of the previous ones, in that same crazy camp.

Caveat: if this thing sells well and does great things, then after all the old armies are out, sure I could see them moving to something new, but it would be way down the line.
Also, I mean all the previous armies, that would be about in the setting they choose, obviously some they may skip over, and then could get to new lists quicker, but all the elves dwarfs empire chaos undead etc would all be first.
And empire may well look different, ish, but not as different as looking Kislevite or anything, they’d have to be their own new thing..)

All in my opinion of course..

I'd have thought so too, but I'm kind of expecting the unexpected from GW nowadays - or at least every now and then.

For Necromunda, they did first re-release the original House Gangs.. and then also made up some completely new things rather than revisiting old factions. And they made Squats. Two of them.
And indeed for AoS, they released fish elves well before something resembling high elves, while steampunk dwarves, the bonereapers and snake elves were prioritized over the new versions of dark elves and wood elves.
I don't think they will start with largely unseen factions.. but I certainly won't rule out seeing e.g. Kislev appear before the other 15ish factions are revisited.

As much as I would LOVE bear riding dudes and Winged Hussars going up against some chaos demons.. It is but a pipe dream. However you gotta have some sort of dream right?

Realisticaly I think we will see sort of tri faction, proto-empire humans ala greek city states with mercenary regiments sprinkled in type of hoistoricals take on the whole thing as a core.

It would be so different enough to AOS, warcry and OG WHFB but also tick "old" old world. And if theres a huge uptake and the game reaches the WHFB hayday proportions who knows? Expansions could well happen to include proto high-elves and pretty much any race. Its not like none of the other peoples of the old world were about at that time.

I will rule it out. A unit with kislevite flavor is more likely than a Kislevite faction. The group clamoring for that is a niche within a niche. This is about making money. So it will be the core factions. Much reduced to start, and then expanded slowly outwards.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hahaha people be talking about model ranges for human subfactions and I'm the crazy one for thinking it will be a different scale.

We will be the ones laughing when Warmaster: The Old World is eventually released

Dread Master wrote:
I will rule it out. A unit with kislevite flavor is more likely than a Kislevite faction. The group clamoring for that is a niche within a niche. This is about making money. So it will be the core factions. Much reduced to start, and then expanded slowly outwards.

I will settle for some mercenary hussars!

I'm just happy that I will get some new models. I'll take them in 28mm or 12mm. Don't care one way or the other.

The Warhammer Old World is such a great setting.

Time of Legends would be awesome - and I can use vampires in pretty much era

Whatever it is i doubt old models will be usable as is without being essentially proxy#ng

I disagree.

The best way to get this off the ground is to keep the same scale. You, me, Herbert and Spotty can then simply dust off old armies, and take to the field. GW get rulebook purchases out of that.

As time goes on, outdated sculpts (of which WHFB had many) get redone, and that's when we actually buy-in.

In the meantime for GW, the game is visibly played, which helps recruitment.

Yeah GW has no problem selling legions of space marine models and new editions have come out all the time. Heck I suspect it was only kirby era management that gave us primaris and that chances are they were originally just going to be the "next upgrade" design like they've done several times over the years.



Simple fact is anyone who has an army and isn't buying won't buy into a totally new game; however someone currently running an active, but older army, is more likely to steadily expand their army by buying new sculpts and replacing and updating. Espcially since Old World had a lot of really old plastics and metals so updates are a BIG jump.

We can argue about it till we're blue in the face, we'll have to wait and see. My money is on brand new sculpts, since a ton of pre-AoS lines are now retired and not in production, plus it removes the old problem of glut of used toys gutting new model sales.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I disagree.

The best way to get this off the ground is to keep the same scale. You, me, Herbert and Spotty can then simply dust off old armies, and take to the field. GW get rulebook purchases out of that.

As time goes on, outdated sculpts (of which WHFB had many) get redone, and that's when we actually buy-in.

In the meantime for GW, the game is visibly played, which helps recruitment.

All of the above could be said for the other specialist games but GW still went out of their way to make old models unusable. They don't care about anything but milking the most money for the least effort. You're going to get a boxed set with 2 factions across maybe 4 different sprues, and rules only for those two factions, with a tiny print run, and if those sell out there will be 1 new sprue every 3 months and you'll have to buy another book to use every new sprue.

They didn't with Necromunda?

AT was, from the outset, also an exercise in getting the Titans to the right scale, the originals having not actually had one.

Aeronautica? Scale of the craft doesn't matter, as it's all about the base. Those can be knocked up very simply. Use one from the new set, trace round onto cardboard, glue to bottom of existing craft. Sorted.

Quest, Kill Team, Blood Bowl, Warcry, Necromunda - same as it ever was.

Aeronautica? Scale of the craft doesn't matter, as it's all about the base.

The same can be said about Warhammer.

Yeah of specialist games taht invalidated the old models only AT really stands out. Lets face it compare the old Warlord to a modern Warlord and its tiny - its down to scout or reaver titan size. We traded backward compatible models for bigger and far more detailed models that scaled based off the 40K game.

Honestly I think that's more than a fair trade.