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 Strg Alt wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I guess that raises the question of whether there should be degrading profiles. Because there's a clear gap between cannons killing characters & monsters, and just tickling them pointlessly.

I'd say 8th made it too easy to hit with cannons, but my friend played dwarfs in the early 2000s and he seemed able to hit stuff up across tables near perfectly.

No surprise. With all the tricks with hand(known length), known board sizes, deployment distances, known terrain size and basic trigonomy "guess" range weapons were just noob traps.

As an Empire player, I honed my cannon skills and didn't have to do any of that crap. I even played in an environment where they forced me to actually aim the damn thing and sight down the barrel (despite the rules and writers' commentary stating otherwise). Monsters were easy points, and I still managed to kill more than my share of vampires...

After having played WHFB I never understood why Buffy wouldn´t hunt vampires with cannon balls.

She used a rocket launcher on a demon in one episode but access to military grade hardware is not automatic for teenage girls......

I started a new thread on unbuilt models, we should probably take that discussion there.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/807339.page

I've probably got poor impulse control - but am usually not overly inspired by marketing hype.

My issue is that basically every 6 months for the past 5-7 years I've thought "time for a new army", buy 2-3 kits (or a start collecting box, get the unpopular half of the various army deals etc), paint up a unit, go "actually nah" and drop it. The sprues then end up in a pile.

Case in point - if they brought TK back, I'd be highly tempted to start a TK army because at some level I've always wanted one. But I suspect 10 skeletons in I'd be bored. The same goes for say Beastmen.

Tyel wrote:
I've probably got poor impulse control - but am usually not overly inspired by marketing hype.

My issue is that basically every 6 months for the past 5-7 years I've thought "time for a new army", buy 2-3 kits (or a start collecting box, get the unpopular half of the various army deals etc), paint up a unit, go "actually nah" and drop it. The sprues then end up in a pile.

Case in point - if they brought TK back, I'd be highly tempted to start a TK army because at some level I've always wanted one. But I suspect 10 skeletons in I'd be bored. The same goes for say Beastmen.

What has fixed that problem I too had, was Kill Team and Warhammer Underworlds.
Small snapshot into a faction without having to go in deep. Get to paint up cool different things and try new things in a safer manner

Danny76 wrote:
What has fixed that problem I too had, was Kill Team and Warhammer Underworlds.
Small snapshot into a faction without having to go in deep. Get to paint up cool different things and try new things in a safer manner

That's probably a sensible way to go about it.
I've sort of got an agreement with a friend to build & paint up a new(ish) 1k points army for a game after Christmas. Although whether either of us stick to that and just end up using our old stuff remains to be seen.

Tyel wrote:
I've probably got poor impulse control - but am usually not overly inspired by marketing hype.

My issue is that basically every 6 months for the past 5-7 years I've thought "time for a new army", buy 2-3 kits (or a start collecting box, get the unpopular half of the various army deals etc), paint up a unit, go "actually nah" and drop it. The sprues then end up in a pile.

Case in point - if they brought TK back, I'd be highly tempted to start a TK army because at some level I've always wanted one. But I suspect 10 skeletons in I'd be bored. The same goes for say Beastmen.

Contrast paints are a god send for something like skeletons.

Grail Seeker wrote:

Contrast paints are a god send for something like skeletons.

Not like they were hard to paint to begin with. A white base coat and a wash of everyones' favorite retired brown ink were how I painted the bulk of my TK army. Gave my skeletons a properly aged look, and was extremely simple.

Grail Seeker wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I've probably got poor impulse control - but am usually not overly inspired by marketing hype.

My issue is that basically every 6 months for the past 5-7 years I've thought "time for a new army", buy 2-3 kits (or a start collecting box, get the unpopular half of the various army deals etc), paint up a unit, go "actually nah" and drop it. The sprues then end up in a pile.

Case in point - if they brought TK back, I'd be highly tempted to start a TK army because at some level I've always wanted one. But I suspect 10 skeletons in I'd be bored. The same goes for say Beastmen.

Contrast paints are a god send for something like skeletons.

Skeletons are one of the most easiest minis to paint:

1) Undercoat.
2) Three colours of drybrushing.
3) Details like weapons & shields.
4) Done.

Before you can get bored the army has been painted by itself.

Spray them black. Grab neon-colored, fine tipped Sharpies. Start scribbling while watching TV. Dios de los Muertos army done.

tneva82 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I guess that raises the question of whether there should be degrading profiles. Because there's a clear gap between cannons killing characters & monsters, and just tickling them pointlessly.

I'd say 8th made it too easy to hit with cannons, but my friend played dwarfs in the early 2000s and he seemed able to hit stuff up across tables near perfectly.

No surprise. With all the tricks with hand(known length), known board sizes, deployment distances, known terrain size and basic trigonomy "guess" range weapons were just noob traps.

As an Empire player, I honed my cannon skills and didn't have to do any of that crap. I even played in an environment where they forced me to actually aim the damn thing and sight down the barrel (despite the rules and writers' commentary stating otherwise). Monsters were easy points, and I still managed to kill more than my share of vampires...

Ah yes. You are obviously such a big thing that you not doing something obviously means nobody does. You are the ultimate proof of how things were played by 100% of player base. Yep yep. Totally believable.

Conversely, just because a few people do do a thing doesn't mean that everybody else does.

 Strg Alt wrote:

Grail Seeker wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I've probably got poor impulse control - but am usually not overly inspired by marketing hype.

My issue is that basically every 6 months for the past 5-7 years I've thought "time for a new army", buy 2-3 kits (or a start collecting box, get the unpopular half of the various army deals etc), paint up a unit, go "actually nah" and drop it. The sprues then end up in a pile.

Case in point - if they brought TK back, I'd be highly tempted to start a TK army because at some level I've always wanted one. But I suspect 10 skeletons in I'd be bored. The same goes for say Beastmen.

Contrast paints are a god send for something like skeletons.

Skeletons are one of the most easiest minis to paint:

1) Undercoat.
2) Three colours of drybrushing.
3) Details like weapons & shields.
4) Done.

Before you can get bored the army has been painted by itself.

I do mine in an even quicker way.

1) spray army painter skeleton bone.
2) paint details, weapon, shield, cloth, etc.
3) water down army painter soft tone liberally slapped on the model.

Got a whole load of the Warlord Skeletons, think I'll get all 90 of them done on next to no time.

 stonehorse wrote:


I do mine in an even quicker way.

1) spray army painter skeleton bone.
2) paint details, weapon, shield, cloth, etc.
3) water down army painter soft tone liberally slapped on the model.

Got a whole load of the Warlord Skeletons, think I'll get all 90 of them done on next to no time.

Basically how I did my 150 or so mix of 3rd and 4th/5th ed skeletons.

Out of interest is anyone choosing not to play one of the other existing R&F games available at the moment (ASOIAF, Kings of War, Conquest, Oathmark etc) because they are waiting to see what Old World brings?

Or do you already play one or more of those games and will get Old World also?

I just stick to One Page Rules fantasy for getting my existing models and dice moving on a table, not having anyone to play WFB 8th with. Should really give the rank and file version a crack someday...

I haven't touched my square based armies in ten years. I might dust them off when Old World hits the shelves but I am more likely to buy new armies instead.

 Pacific wrote:
Out of interest is anyone choosing not to play one of the other existing R&F games available at the moment (ASOIAF, Kings of War, Conquest, Oathmark etc) because they are waiting to see what Old World brings?

Or do you already play one or more of those games and will get Old World also?

I'm certainly not holding off on other R&F games as a result; my mountain of ASOIAF stuff being sat in boxes gathering dust is an entirely separate phenomenon.

 Pacific wrote:
Out of interest is anyone choosing not to play one of the other existing R&F games available at the moment (ASOIAF, Kings of War, Conquest, Oathmark etc) because they are waiting to see what Old World brings?

Or do you already play one or more of those games and will get Old World also?

I went back to 6th, and my brother is pretty hyped about Kings of War as well. If W:TOW sucks we will stick with one or both of those options.

This went up briefly before being removed.

I'd really like to see substantial info on this project. It's about time they give us something.

They've used that image before.

Kind of odd that they would post it and then pull it down as it specifically references an article that should be posted tomorrow (even going so far as to clarify they mean Wednesday).

Even odder that they would drop a big update about this tomorrow when the big livestreamed warhammer preview thing is on Friday.

That just seems like an error. That's the exact same image they used years ago.

"Everything comes round"

Round bases confirmed!

Shush you.

Honestly I'd be totally ok with round bases and movementtrays. IF anything its how a lot of people might end up running so that they can run in AoS and Old World; just like how people run 40K and 30K models in each system.


It also means that if one of the games falls behind the other significantly - GW can just blend the two into one. Say if Old World takes off like crazy they can muddle the timeline up and bring the AoS stuff over; or if Old World falls flat on its face they can effortlessly move it into AoS

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I'd be totally ok with round bases and movementtrays. IF anything its how a lot of people might end up running so that they can run in AoS and Old World; just like how people run 40K and 30K models in each system.


It also means that if one of the games falls behind the other significantly - GW can just blend the two into one. Say if Old World takes off like crazy they can muddle the timeline up and bring the AoS stuff over; or if Old World falls flat on its face they can effortlessly move it into AoS

Seems all very sensible

 Pacific wrote:
Out of interest is anyone choosing not to play one of the other existing R&F games available at the moment (ASOIAF, Kings of War, Conquest, Oathmark etc) because they are waiting to see what Old World brings?

Or do you already play one or more of those games and will get Old World also?

I never stopped playing 8th ed Fantasy. If I don't like Old World I'll keep playing. I have a slight interest in Kings of War, however I would split mantic boxes to build units as dioramas which sounded cool till I read the rule where they want at least 75% of the unit on the base.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
"Everything comes round"

Round bases confirmed!

They showed a square. If they bring round bases geeks will sue them for false advertising.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I'd be totally ok with round bases and movementtrays. IF anything its how a lot of people might end up running so that they can run in AoS and Old World; just like how people run 40K and 30K models in each system.

Yeah, I really, really hope they do this. In fact my willingness to invest in this system fully depends on whether the models can do double duty with AoS.

 Crimson wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I'd be totally ok with round bases and movementtrays. IF anything its how a lot of people might end up running so that they can run in AoS and Old World; just like how people run 40K and 30K models in each system.

Yeah, I really, really hope they do this. In fact my willingness to invest in this system fully depends on whether the models can do double duty with AoS.

Even if they don't the basic infantry and cavalry models won't be too hard to put on rounds and then put on a movement tray with slots. The only difficult ones would be monsters and heroes on their own ,though I'm sure the market (esp 3d print) might rise to the challenge to make convertible bases