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Every tenth ork in a boyz unit may take a tank busta bomb. As he only has 'a' bomb, may he only use it once per battle?

Compare to the Tankbustas entry where each model explitly has multiple bomz, "Each Tankbusta and Boss Nob is armed with a rokkit launcha, stikkbombs and tankbusta bombs".

Incidentally the same question applies to Kommandos as boyz (One kommando in every 5 models is also armed with a tankbusta bomb).

Is it right that boy / kommando models with the bomb get 1 per game, but tankbusta model get as many as they care to use?

A tankbusta bomb is a grenade and can be used with the usual rules for grenades, there is no once per battle limitation. If 30 boys have three tankbusta bombs those three models can use them every turn.

Grenades
Each time a unit shoots, a single model in
the unit that is equipped with Grenades
may throw one instead of firing any
other weapon.

If weapons have a limited amount of uses it will say so in the weapons description.
If it doesn't, you can use it as many times as you want.

 p5freak wrote:
A tankbusta bomb is a grenade and can be used with the usual rules for grenades, there is no once per battle limitation. If 30 boys have three tankbusta bombs those three models can use them every turn.

Grenades
Each time a unit shoots, a single model in
the unit that is equipped with Grenades
may throw one instead of firing any
other weapon.

Actually, from the quote you provided you can have only a single model using a tankbusta bomb, not 3 boyz with tankbusta bombs using them every turn, since only a single model in a unit can use a grenade that turn.

 doctortom wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
A tankbusta bomb is a grenade and can be used with the usual rules for grenades, there is no once per battle limitation. If 30 boys have three tankbusta bombs those three models can use them every turn.

Grenades
Each time a unit shoots, a single model in
the unit that is equipped with Grenades
may throw one instead of firing any
other weapon.

Actually, from the quote you provided you can have only a single model using a tankbusta bomb, not 3 boyz with tankbusta bombs using them every turn, since only a single model in a unit can use a grenade that turn.

True, multiple models with grenades in a unit dont really work, they can have them, but only one model can throw a grenade

Well, Orkz also have a Stratagem for throwing up to 10 Grenades, but that's really something you save for your Tankbustas anyway.

 p5freak wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
A tankbusta bomb is a grenade and can be used with the usual rules for grenades, there is no once per battle limitation. If 30 boys have three tankbusta bombs those three models can use them every turn.

Grenades
Each time a unit shoots, a single model in
the unit that is equipped with Grenades
may throw one instead of firing any
other weapon.

Actually, from the quote you provided you can have only a single model using a tankbusta bomb, not 3 boyz with tankbusta bombs using them every turn, since only a single model in a unit can use a grenade that turn.

True, multiple models with grenades in a unit dont really work, they can have them, but only one model can throw a grenade

The idea of having multiple models with grenades is that you can afford to lose one or two and still be able to use a grenade. For example if you need to lose a model to deny a charge to your opponent and the model is one with a tankbusta bomb it you can lose it without losing the weapon.

 p5freak wrote:
A tankbusta bomb is a grenade and can be used with the usual rules for grenades, there is no once per battle limitation. If 30 boys have three tankbusta bombs those three models can use them every turn.

Grenades
Each time a unit shoots, a single model in
the unit that is equipped with Grenades
may throw one instead of firing any
other weapon.

That quote talks about units with grenades, but in terms of tankbusta bombz, the unit doesn't have grenadeS one model has A grenade. This is the crux of my question. The codex could have easily uses the plural form but didn't. It used singular. Was that intentional and meaningful?

nareik wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
A tankbusta bomb is a grenade and can be used with the usual rules for grenades, there is no once per battle limitation. If 30 boys have three tankbusta bombs those three models can use them every turn.

Grenades
Each time a unit shoots, a single model in
the unit that is equipped with Grenades
may throw one instead of firing any
other weapon.

That quote talks about units with grenades, but in terms of tankbusta bombz, the unit doesn't have grenadeS one model has A grenade. This is the crux of my question. The codex could have easily uses the plural form but didn't. It used singular. Was that intentional and meaningful?

It was not.

"Tankbusta bomb" is a weapon with the type "Grenade". When selected to shoot, a unit can shoot one Grenade type weapon with no limit to how often they can be used unless specified otherwise.

If you want to go hard RAW, tankbusta bombS doesn't exist as a profile, and tankbustas cannot use tankbusta bomb (without S) on their datasheet since it doesn't say they have them.

nareik wrote:
The codex could have easily uses the plural form but didn't. It used singular. Was that intentional and meaningful?

My guess is that they didn't want people arguing that a boy with multiple bomz could share them around with his mates. They are emphasising that only one unit gets the benefit of having them.

 KingGarland wrote:

The idea of having multiple models with grenades is that you can afford to lose one or two and still be able to use a grenade. For example if you need to lose a model to deny a charge to your opponent and the model is one with a tankbusta bomb it you can lose it without losing the weapon.

Even better have ability to spread them around so your threat range increases as the range is limited. It's not one model that's always conveniently where you need. It's specific one and if your only bomb is on the opposite side of unit with no vehicles in range...


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nareik wrote:
This is the crux of my question. The codex could have easily uses the plural form but didn't. It used singular. Was that intentional and meaningful?

As a rule of thumb if answer requires such a level of parsing you can be sure "no". GW isn't capable of writing rules to level where that would actually be "yes"

tneva82 wrote:
As a rule of thumb if answer requires such a level of parsing you can be sure "no". GW isn't capable of writing rules to level where that would actually be "yes"

I find that applying Hanlon's Razor to GW's rules writing is almost a prerequisite for not losing your marbles trying to parse them.

 p5freak wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
A tankbusta bomb is a grenade and can be used with the usual rules for grenades, there is no once per battle limitation. If 30 boys have three tankbusta bombs those three models can use them every turn.

Grenades
Each time a unit shoots, a single model in
the unit that is equipped with Grenades
may throw one instead of firing any
other weapon.

Actually, from the quote you provided you can have only a single model using a tankbusta bomb, not 3 boyz with tankbusta bombs using them every turn, since only a single model in a unit can use a grenade that turn.

True, multiple models with grenades in a unit dont really work, they can have them, but only one model can throw a grenade

but the Orks Stratagem changes things though, you could have 7 using stikkbombs and 3 using tankbustas

EXTRA STIKKBOMBS

Orks Stratagem

Orks are not subtle creatures, and if they get their hands on a surplus of explosives, they are less likely to stockpile them than they are to simply pull out all the pins at once and get lobbing.

Use this Stratagem at the start of your Shooting phase. Select an ORK INFANTRY unit from your army. Up to 10 models in that unit can fire a Grenade weapon in that phase, instead of only 1.

That's still bad though...

 kingbbobb wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
A tankbusta bomb is a grenade and can be used with the usual rules for grenades, there is no once per battle limitation. If 30 boys have three tankbusta bombs those three models can use them every turn.

Grenades
Each time a unit shoots, a single model in
the unit that is equipped with Grenades
may throw one instead of firing any
other weapon.

Actually, from the quote you provided you can have only a single model using a tankbusta bomb, not 3 boyz with tankbusta bombs using them every turn, since only a single model in a unit can use a grenade that turn.

True, multiple models with grenades in a unit dont really work, they can have them, but only one model can throw a grenade

but the Orks Stratagem changes things though, you could have 7 using stikkbombs and 3 using tankbustas

EXTRA STIKKBOMBS

Orks Stratagem

Orks are not subtle creatures, and if they get their hands on a surplus of explosives, they are less likely to stockpile them than they are to simply pull out all the pins at once and get lobbing.

Use this Stratagem at the start of your Shooting phase. Select an ORK INFANTRY unit from your army. Up to 10 models in that unit can fire a Grenade weapon in that phase, instead of only 1.

It says "a Grenade weapon" so you can fire either the Tank Busta Bombs or the Stikkbombs, not both.

So mob of 30 Boyz can lob 3 TBB or 10 Stikks. Not both.

It says "a Grenade weapon" So since both TBB's and Stikks are "a Grenade weapon" you can mix and match as you please.

You statement about "not both" is incorrect.

 DeathReaper wrote:

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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 kingbbobb wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
A tankbusta bomb is a grenade and can be used with the usual rules for grenades, there is no once per battle limitation. If 30 boys have three tankbusta bombs those three models can use them every turn.

Grenades
Each time a unit shoots, a single model in
the unit that is equipped with Grenades
may throw one instead of firing any
other weapon.

Actually, from the quote you provided you can have only a single model using a tankbusta bomb, not 3 boyz with tankbusta bombs using them every turn, since only a single model in a unit can use a grenade that turn.

True, multiple models with grenades in a unit dont really work, they can have them, but only one model can throw a grenade

but the Orks Stratagem changes things though, you could have 7 using stikkbombs and 3 using tankbustas

EXTRA STIKKBOMBS

Orks Stratagem

Orks are not subtle creatures, and if they get their hands on a surplus of explosives, they are less likely to stockpile them than they are to simply pull out all the pins at once and get lobbing.

Use this Stratagem at the start of your Shooting phase. Select an ORK INFANTRY unit from your army. Up to 10 models in that unit can fire a Grenade weapon in that phase, instead of only 1.

It says "a Grenade weapon" so you can fire either the Tank Busta Bombs or the Stikkbombs, not both.

So mob of 30 Boyz can lob 3 TBB or 10 Stikks. Not both.

It says "a Grenade weapon" So since both TBB's and Stikks are "a Grenade weapon" you can mix and match as you please.

You statement about "not both" is incorrect.

"A grenade weapon" means 1 grenade weapon type to me. Not 2. Throwing stikkbombs and TBBs would be throwing 2 different grenade weapons.

That said I see the argument the other way - each of the ten models could pick to fire a different weapon (but only throw 1) I guess.

I'm sure there's a rule that states only 1 type of grenade can be thrown by a unit but I might be getting my editions confused!

That’s not what that means. Grenade is a weapon type, same as Pistol, Heavy or Rapid Fire. There are not subsets of Grenades. If using a Strat to throw more than one Grenade per unit, each model can fire one Grenade weapon it’s armed with.

Agreed. There is only one weapon type of grenades in the game. The name of the grenade(s) is irrelevant.