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 Galef wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
They think its funny that they drive around in a car meant to carry dead people to capture unruly dead people.

I think this statement alone captures what has truly change. I don't think most people even know what a hearse looks like. Back in the 80s, people may have gotten he joke. But today that car is the car they use in the Ghostbuster's movies, not a hearse.

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Actually I always thought it was an ambulance. At least I recall seeing far more in American films of that era that were used as an ambulance or general medical vehicle rather than a hearse. That said subtle things like that seem to be something that modern hollywood overlooks these days.

 Overread wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
They think its funny that they drive around in a car meant to carry dead people to capture unruly dead people.

I think this statement alone captures what has truly change. I don't think most people even know what a hearse looks like. Back in the 80s, people may have gotten he joke. But today that car is the car they use in the Ghostbuster's movies, not a hearse.

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Actually I always thought it was an ambulance. At least I recall seeing far more in American films of that era that were used as an ambulance or general medical vehicle rather than a hearse. That said subtle things like that seem to be something that modern hollywood overlooks these days.

It did already have a light and siren when they first bought it, so I think it was already at least a hearse converted into something else. Or it was for very noisy funeral processions.

It was originally an ambulance, not a hearse. Although it was the type of car that could be used for both purposes, it had the ambulance conversion installed.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
It was originally an ambulance, not a hearse. Although it was the type of car that could be used for both purposes, it had the ambulance conversion installed.

Yep, even then there was confusion. Now everyone just identifies it as "the Ghostbusters car" in the same way that every single DeLorean is the Back to the Future car

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 Galef wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
It was originally an ambulance, not a hearse. Although it was the type of car that could be used for both purposes, it had the ambulance conversion installed.

Yep, even then there was confusion. Now everyone just identifies it as "the Ghostbusters car" in the same way that every single DeLorean is the Back to the Future car

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I think the confusion comes from the fact that, even by the time of the first movie, those kinds of cars hadn't been used for ambulances for years.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
It was originally an ambulance, not a hearse. Although it was the type of car that could be used for both purposes, it had the ambulance conversion installed.

Yep, even then there was confusion. Now everyone just identifies it as "the Ghostbusters car" in the same way that every single DeLorean is the Back to the Future car

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I think the confusion comes from the fact that, even by the time of the first movie, those kinds of cars hadn't been used for ambulances for years.

Yup. The joke was that the car was a piece of old crap. Just listen to the list of problems it has.

So it perfectly matched with the building that was to become their HQ.

"I think this building should be condemned." - Egon

I think the core of the old pun was that they had an old fire station with an old ambulance. Basically picking up the dregs of the services and then creating their own - the Ghost Busters. To them it was like the police/ambulance/fireservice system - they were just there to provide an emergency service for ghost related problems.



Also I think one problem with trying to make more and more films in a series is that sometimes you lose that niche world view. Sometimes films work because they create a situation that is out of the ordinary not just for our world, but for the world in which the story is set. It works mostly because the one or two early productions focus on the small local scale (even if that is a whole city). It tends to start to fall apart when the "Rest of the World" starts to get involved and they have to invent more reasons why its a special case or why nothing like it has ever been seen or happened before. Ergo in a world where ghosts are real and dangerous why isnt' there already a global selection of ghostbuster services etc...

One or two adventuring films can overlook that; but the more you make and the more you open them up to the world within the setting the more the viewer starts to ask questions.

Honestly, the best thing for me is the whole bit when Rudd is talking to the kids and explaining the whole thing about "New York in the 80s".

Someone pointed out the "nostalgia" factor. It's definitely there, but this is seeming to want to set up more too--it's talking at the younger crowds that might show up and setting up the bigger world.

It’s also merely a teaser trailer, and shown very little of the plot.

I mean, all we know is family move to an old Farm, owned by a deceased Grandfather (could be Egon?), and find Ecto-1, at least one proton pack and associated Ghost Trap.

It’s also apparent that somehow, the events of the first two movie are lost to public consciousness. And that there’s some kind of spooky activity going on in the town.

That leaves a lot of unresolved questions. And doesn’t rule out Venkman, Stantz and Zeddemore cropping up.

Ugh, I'm getting so tired of that ugly pale kid. Otherwise, looks promising.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s also merely a teaser trailer, and shown very little of the plot.

I mean, all we know is family move to an old Farm, owned by a deceased Grandfather (could be Egon?), and find Ecto-1, at least one proton pack and associated Ghost Trap.

It’s also apparent that somehow, the events of the first two movie are lost to public consciousness. And that there’s some kind of spooky activity going on in the town.

That leaves a lot of unresolved questions. And doesn’t rule out Venkman, Stantz and Zeddemore cropping up.

I mean, there were some elements of that happening between the first and second films. Despite what they did, many people without direct contact with the ghosts still regarded them as frauds and following them being shut down after the end of the first film, their fame had obviously decreased to the point that the kids were more interested in He-Man than Ghostbusters. It took a new scandal and them being put on trial to revitalise public interest.

And lets face it, if they got stiffed with the bill to fix the roof of a skyscraper then there's no way the same thing isn't also going to happen with the statue of liberty lying down in the street!

Is this supposed to be a comedy? Ghostbusters was a comedy.

It still had it serious moments in its own way - this trailer is just focusing on the mystery and serious moments.

As for the plot lets not forget in the first film it was abnormal ghost increases that prompted the Ghostbusters forming in the first place. It seems that in general the whole aspect of ghosts within the world setting was not an established "fact" for a long part of recorded history. Ergo ghosts were always a really minor thing right on the edge of being believed ,but were not believed by the masses. Then the events of the two films seemed to spark off a lot of abnormally high Ghost activity which then died off due to whatever it is that will likely be a major focus of this film.

It actually rather neatly explains why people are so easy to accept that ghosts vanished and also why the kids have no real understanding of the ghosts being part of their world - esp if it was a localised thing. It's a bit like old war stories from globally minor conflict in another country. It happened, it was big for those involved, but for two generations later its part of history that their parents never spoke of and which wasn't major enough t obe wild active news two generations on.

 Overread wrote:
I think the core of the old pun was that they had an old fire station with an old ambulance. Basically picking up the dregs of the services and then creating their own - the Ghost Busters. To them it was like the police/ambulance/fireservice system - they were just there to provide an emergency service for ghost related problems.

Also I think one problem with trying to make more and more films in a series is that sometimes you lose that niche world view. Sometimes films work because they create a situation that is out of the ordinary not just for our world, but for the world in which the story is set. It works mostly because the one or two early productions focus on the small local scale (even if that is a whole city). It tends to start to fall apart when the "Rest of the World" starts to get involved and they have to invent more reasons why its a special case or why nothing like it has ever been seen or happened before. Ergo in a world where ghosts are real and dangerous why isnt' there already a global selection of ghostbuster services etc...

One or two adventuring films can overlook that; but the more you make and the more you open them up to the world within the setting the more the viewer starts to ask questions.

I've always felt that Ghostbusters is actually a nearly perfect standalone film. Its success meant that there would be sequels, cartoons, reboots, etc. But on its own it's nearly perfect, with no need for future installments.

I'm going into this one with an open mind, however. I agree with Kan that they may be going for some nostalgia 'feels', but the film probably won't be shovelful after shovelful of fan service. Just getting the original cast to sign on suggests to me that it's going to be a little different. I don't see Murray signing on to run around with a proton pack and pretend like it's 1984.

 Overread wrote:
It still had it serious moments in its own way - this trailer is just focusing on the mystery and serious moments.

As for the plot lets not forget in the first film it was abnormal ghost increases that prompted the Ghostbusters forming in the first place. It seems that in general the whole aspect of ghosts within the world setting was not an established "fact" for a long part of recorded history. Ergo ghosts were always a really minor thing right on the edge of being believed ,but were not believed by the masses. Then the events of the two films seemed to spark off a lot of abnormally high Ghost activity which then died off due to whatever it is that will likely be a major focus of this film.

It actually rather neatly explains why people are so easy to accept that ghosts vanished and also why the kids have no real understanding of the ghosts being part of their world - esp if it was a localised thing. It's a bit like old war stories from globally minor conflict in another country. It happened, it was big for those involved, but for two generations later its part of history that their parents never spoke of and which wasn't major enough t obe wild active news two generations on.

I'm thinking Egon made a massive ghost magnet / containment facility in the Mine that's largely pulled in and held Ghosts, but now due narrativium requirements its on the blink

The fanservice angle makes it likely to be the one from the firehouse. The appropriate waste disposal process for the era would be to drive out to the middle of nowhere and bury it in a hole.

One of the shots in the trailer shows a ruined building with the sign "Shandor Mining Company". Ivo Shandor was the one who built Dana Barrett's apartment building to be a gateway for Gozer and founded the cult of Gozer at that time. I expect Egon bought that house to look into whatever Shandor had been doing in that town.

 Frazzled wrote:
IGhostbusters was a comedy.

It was a horror/comedy/sci-fi thank you very much.

Also how did people mention the hair and glasses but not that they show the suit with the name "Spengler" on it and that at one point the camera lingers over a collection of spores, fungus, and molds?

That may depend on how people watched the trailer. On my phone, I missed a lot of little details that I noticed when watching it on my computer's larger and brighter screen. For example, my phone's screen was a little too dark to read the name on the suit.

I just noticed something in the trailer. Near the beginning they are in the living room area of the old house. There is a GIANT stack of books. It's stacked floor to ceiling, one book on top of the other. This is just like the book stacking scene in the library at the beginning of the first Ghostbusters.

When Rudd is the car and the foot comes down on it (around the 2 minute mark), looks like it is of the same species as Zuul and Vinz Clortho from the first film.

Which, along with Shandor being name dropped with the mining company, could indicate that Gozer might be having another crack at entering our world. Curious as to what form it'll take this time.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Curious as to what form it'll take this time.

With kids being the main characters and it being present day? Probably a giant Fortnite Llama piñata.

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 Galef wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Curious as to what form it'll take this time.

With kids being the main characters and it being present day? Probably a giant Fortnite Llama piñata.

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Nah, that’ll be the form of their destroyer.

Defo does look like a Devil Doggo’s paw on the bonnet,

Cast list also includes the three remaining principals and Janine Melnitz, so still a good deal more to be seen.

Defo?

Doggo?

DAFUQ?!?

Anyway, yeah, kid protagonists here might not work our well.

Still, we’ll see!

No ghost sightings in 30 years? Damn right there hasn't!

*ahem*

Actually I don't see how that would work. It's one of the flaws of a sequel so many years later. Why would supernatural stuff in one spot in the world be so strong as to happen twice within 5-ish years of one another... and then just never again. It kinda cracks SoD a little.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No ghost sightings in 30 years? Damn right there hasn't!

*ahem*

Actually I don't see how that would work. It's one of the flaws of a sequel so many years later. Why would supernatural stuff in one spot in the world be so strong as to happen twice within 5-ish years of one another... and then just never again. It kinda cracks SoD a little.

Because it just so happened that there were two potentially world ending spooks in New York. And Viggo could have happened wherever the painting was moved to.

I mean you might as well ask why there weren't major supernatural occurrences on that level prior to the Ghostbusters forming in the first film.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I mean you might as well ask why there weren't major supernatural occurrences on that level prior to the Ghostbusters forming in the first film.

I see you forgot about the undersea, unexplained mass sponge migration that Ray was present for.

I think we can reasonably say that there was enough, sporadic activity for Egon and Ray to start serious research into it, and how to contain it.

All New York did was provide enough in one place over a short period to convince others?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think we can reasonably say that there was enough, sporadic activity for Egon and Ray to start serious research into it, and how to contain it.

All New York did was provide enough in one place over a short period to convince others?

I think we can accurately predict the level of ghost activity in NYC simply by using the Twinky reasoning Egon gave in the first movie. I believe he said it would be like having a Twinky 35 feet long. Going by volume that's 1.16 million times the normal ghost activity of the city. This is enough to keep 4 guys full-time employed. NYC has about 2.5% of the population of the country. So, this means that NYC during the movie had as much paranormal activity in one day as the whole country does normally in about 79 years.