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 Da Boss wrote:
The swirls are a poor choice but apart from that the model looks cool. Though as a gaming piece it is pretty easy to break those wings.
Would not pay the asking price for it though!

As for Age of Sigmar bringing back another character from Warhamer Fantasy? Boring! They blew up the Old World and totally obliterated it, but they are too lazy to come up with any new characters or any new or exciting ideas for the setting past Stormcast and now these new bone guys, who are basicaly undead stormcast. GW is really not that hot creatively any more.
One of the biggest things fans asked for early-on was more ties to the old world and more lore updates for reborn characters. GW is giving what a lot of people asked for, I'm pleased to see it.

Also I feel like this is an unfair assessment; there is a huge amount of new ideas and new armies in Age of Sigmar and a good chunk of the writing is quite good when it comes to deeper fluff like novels. It makes me think you have not actually read much AoS fluff.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
The swirls are a poor choice but apart from that the model looks cool. Though as a gaming piece it is pretty easy to break those wings.
Would not pay the asking price for it though!

As for Age of Sigmar bringing back another character from Warhamer Fantasy? Boring! They blew up the Old World and totally obliterated it, but they are too lazy to come up with any new characters or any new or exciting ideas for the setting past Stormcast and now these new bone guys, who are basicaly undead stormcast. GW is really not that hot creatively any more.
One of the biggest things fans asked for early-on was more ties to the old world and more lore updates for reborn characters. GW is giving what a lot of people asked for, I'm pleased to see it.

Also I feel like this is an unfair assessment; there is a huge amount of new ideas and new armies in Age of Sigmar and a good chunk of the writing is quite good when it comes to deeper fluff like novels. It makes me think you have not actually read much AoS fluff.



I agree.
One of the biggest issues people had was that the characters had been ripped away from it.
Bringing them back wouldn’t be a bad idea as it plays on nostalgia and helps people connect with it again.

New characters are nice, but I’d personally have some of the old ones back.
A brand new death master or kroak would never be a bad thing.


Sure, they can hash in a brand new hero with an entire backstory, but why do that when there are plenty of fan favourites that people would love to have back again (or the chance to use their old models)
   
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It also ties in to the end times especially Khaine when it talks about the elven god’s basically being recycled and playing the roles again and again sometimes in new guises until chaos destroys them. Sigmar ‘s pantheon is the new pantheon with some of the old elves who were close to having godlike power being the new gods as well as some dwarfs and some from other races to Eg Sigmar, Nagash and GorkaMorka

 
   
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 Geifer wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
They had the chance to move on from the Old World, which they destroyed in a way that communicated a certain contempt for it. Instead they just made important characters from that world the "gods" of the new one, instead of doing something interesting an original with their new setting. It was half baked and poorly defined from the start, and it is built on sand due to trying to maintain links with the Old World.


It's probably not warranted to think of Age of Sigmar as a new setting. It's more of a reboot, really.


It really isn't. It doesn't have the same places, cultures, themes or people beyond a few famous idiots that were randomly granted a divine promotion. (or not, in a couple cases). Geography is completely different, famous cities don't exist, terminology was reused in an entirely different context, various creatures have different origins and goals, armies were shattered into subfactions, don't share the same origin or even the same purpose or relationships (allies, enemies, etc).

Claiming its a reboot (for...whatever reason) is very inaccurate.

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I can see both perspectives, it's a very subjective matter and hard to really pin one side or the other as wrong.

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So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
The swirls are a poor choice but apart from that the model looks cool. Though as a gaming piece it is pretty easy to break those wings.
Would not pay the asking price for it though!

As for Age of Sigmar bringing back another character from Warhamer Fantasy? Boring! They blew up the Old World and totally obliterated it, but they are too lazy to come up with any new characters or any new or exciting ideas for the setting past Stormcast and now these new bone guys, who are basicaly undead stormcast. GW is really not that hot creatively any more.
One of the biggest things fans asked for early-on was more ties to the old world and more lore updates for reborn characters. GW is giving what a lot of people asked for, I'm pleased to see it.

Also I feel like this is an unfair assessment; there is a huge amount of new ideas and new armies in Age of Sigmar and a good chunk of the writing is quite good when it comes to deeper fluff like novels. It makes me think you have not actually read much AoS fluff.


There have been some great new characters - Arkika Zenthe, Hamilcar Bear-eater, pretty much the whole cast of Spear of Shadows and they blend really well some of those that have survived the destruction of the old world but are not quite the same, really enjoyed the new Ikit Claw recently, familiar but with the difference that eons of teneous existance have made and his thefts of potent magic from many of the gods.

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Voss wrote:
So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?


I freakin' hope so.

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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Voss wrote:
So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?


I freakin' hope so.


I'm expecting a Von Cast.... sorry VAMPIRES Battletome from GW at some point. Splitting off units from Legions of Nagash and adding new ones. Vampires were very popular in the Old Wrold and remain so in the AoS and feature in a good few major lore stories too. I can well see that, just like Nighthaunt and Ossiarchs, we'll see a Vampires army split off from the Legions of Nagash and establish itself as its own thing

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Voss wrote:
So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?


Karlvonlieber Franzisch* will ride out from Aeltduardf*to reconquer the kingdom of Sylvanysh* in the realm of Shyish, from the evil Von Carsteins (Mannfred is still a thing, so I guess his bloodline is still a thing?) in the next supplement after the Siege of the Allpoints by the Ossiarch Bonereapers.

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 Overread wrote:
... VAMPIRES Battletome...
Vampires? Surely you mean the Skulkwing Darkshrieks or the Vilewing Bloodreapers or some other nonsense name...

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Overread wrote:
... VAMPIRES Battletome...
Vampires? Surely you mean the Skulkwing Darkshrieks or the Vilewing Bloodreapers or some other nonsense name...


Nah man, they're already called Soulblight, so they'll be like the Soulblight Nobility or something like that.

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It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
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Well Soulblight are a specific type of vampire. Ghoul Kings are vampires too, but not Soulblight.

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Voss wrote:
So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?


He'll probably show up sooner or later as a Stormcast. And as others have noted, one of the Van Carsteins - Mannfred - is still around and causing trouble. A showdown between the two of them isn't impossible.
   
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I quite like that some of the characters lived and made it into Sigmar. The main reason I see for this is because they wanted to keep all the cool updated models still sellable, or they were too popular to drop.
But to me it feels like continuity and is cool seeing how these characters deal with the new setting.
I can see why some don’t like it though, but to me, personally, it’s interesting.
   
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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Voss wrote:
So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?


I freakin' hope so.


Ha!

(And me too!)

That was one of the best things about the Olde Worlde Empire - just a bunch of regular guys (ok, really smart and with sone good magic!) doing what they could to hold back the darkness

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Isn't Franz the Celestant Prime?

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 EnTyme wrote:
Isn't Franz the Celestant Prime?


It’s heavily implied, yeah.
   
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 Tiberius501 wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
Isn't Franz the Celestant Prime?


It’s heavily implied, yeah.


Well, then, there you go. Celestant Prime vs. Mannfred!
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Voss wrote:
So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?


I freakin' hope so.


Ha!

(And me too!)

That was one of the best things about the Olde Worlde Empire - just a bunch of regular guys (ok, really smart and with sone good magic!) doing what they could to hold back the darkness


Yeah

And it is why the AOS doesn't interest me the slightest. Way too High fantasy.

Still like to see the new miniatures they release for the setting though

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
One of the biggest things fans asked for early-on was more ties to the old world and more lore updates for reborn characters. GW is giving what a lot of people asked for, I'm pleased to see it.

Also I feel like this is an unfair assessment; there is a huge amount of new ideas and new armies in Age of Sigmar and a good chunk of the writing is quite good when it comes to deeper fluff like novels. It makes me think you have not actually read much AoS fluff.

Indeed, as much as I prefer the Old World for the 'classic' elves/dwarfs/orcs/etc fantasy feel, and have no real interest in picking up AoS, the one thing you can't fault it for is creativity. It's quite possibly the most creative setting overall that GW have ever produced. The fact that it ties back to the Old World is a bonus, not a cause for complaint.

 
   
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GW will come around to releasing more Old World stuff eventually. The IP is strong as ever and customer feedback is pretty clear on that front. The question is whether they will infuse AoS with it or create a whole new thing.
   
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 Tiberius501 wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
Isn't Franz the Celestant Prime?


It’s heavily implied, yeah.

How? He's supposed to be a mighty warrior from the Age of Myth. Age of Myth is AoS/Mortal Realms thing, not Old World.
   
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I haven’t read the fluff that says/implies it so wouldn’t know.

But yeah Myth was post Old World.
Though I suppose they could easily have the story that Franz came through to the AoM and then became a great hero then, or something..
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Voss wrote:
So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?


I freakin' hope so.


Ha!

(And me too!)

That was one of the best things about the Olde Worlde Empire - just a bunch of regular guys (ok, really smart and with sone good magic!) doing what they could to hold back the darkness
I agree that was one of the better themes of the Old World. It is one they chose not to have in AoS, but I don't fault AoS for not having it just as I don't fault the Old World for not having AoS' super-high-fantasy elements. I like them both for what they are.

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I really don't care for these Old World callbacks in AOS. I liked the Old World, but it being the backstory of AOS is both irrelevant and silly. It would be better if they just treated AOS as its own thing.

   
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Ah I think it may have been implied at some stage in the past. I seem to recall people talking about it that way but they’ve probably changed it since then.
   
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 streetsamurai wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Voss wrote:
So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?


I freakin' hope so.


Ha!

(And me too!)

That was one of the best things about the Olde Worlde Empire - just a bunch of regular guys (ok, really smart and with sone good magic!) doing what they could to hold back the darkness


Yeah

And it is why the AOS doesn't interest me the slightest. Way too High fantasy.

Still like to see the new miniatures they release for the setting though


AOS Novels like the recent Dark Harvest are themed similar to that sort of story......

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Harran Blackwood was a Warrior-Priest of ruthless virtue. Now he's a man with a scorched reputation, prowling the back alleys of Greywater Fastness, content to fight the petty wars of racketeers for survival. But when a desperate message arrives from an old friend, Blackwood is forced to confront a past he thought long buried. Summoned to the isolated village of Wald, Blackwood sets off on a perilous trek to ensure the sins of his former life remain forgotten. He soon discovers that Wald is a hostile, secretive place with sins of its own. Deep in the murky marshes, where the cruel chants of village folk echo and the stink of death hovers low, Blackwood must channel his bitterness and rage to defy the ancient darkness that now hunts him before he is devoured, body and soul.


Some of Warhammer Old World was low fantasy - often the rpg but some - Elves, Gotrek and Felix, Slann etc was pretty high fantasy as well - like AOS you can take what elements you like.

Ah I think it may have been implied at some stage in the past. I seem to recall people talking about it that way but they’ve probably changed it since then.
The World that was is still very much a part fo the back story not just for major characters like Morathi but also for what happened to Slaanesh etc.

Note that few if any of the AOS versions of the Warhamemr world characters are the same - except maybe Nagash and of course Gotrek who walked into it complaining about all the stupid chnages and names All the others are changes or flawed recreations or damaged by whats happened to them and thier world

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Voss wrote:
So... Karl Franz is going to ride out from Altdorf to reconquer Sylvania from the evil Van Carsteins in the next AoS supplement?


That's already happened. Except it was Karl Franz's much cooler boss riding out from his super flashy lightning-wreathed capital to put Von Carstein's more eviler boss in his place not in some blighted backwater province but in the actual REALM OF DEATH (capitalized for being much more metal than Sylvania) for not assisting his liege when called upon and generally trying to undermine the established order.

People and cultures from the Old World exist in AoS just fine, only flanderized and stereotyped beyond recognition. Themes, too. The only thing I'd give you are places, where GW went with a more magical monoform geography than the good old earth but with magic. The geography of AoS is actually functionally different. Even so if I were inclined to go with your idea of a reboot, I'd say three out of four aren't bad.

But then I don't hold reboots in high regard specifically because in their execution they tend not to respect the original material enough for my liking and only superficially resemble it. There's an idealized view of what a reboot should be and in my experience most reboots don't measure up to it.Thus I stand by my opinion that AoS is a reboot. It doesn't have to be a good execution of the concept to be one.

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