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 kirotheavenger wrote:
There are two main attractions to HH for people.

- 40k for people that don't like 40k/preferred the old rules.

- as a 40k "historical" game for people that like that. I do find there is a noticeably different 'zeitgeist' in historicals vs free-form fantasy/sci-fi games (and I'm not talking about the bizarre idea that we're all nazi idealists I hear from people)

Both are very real impressions and I dare say almost every HH player will identify with one or both of those points.

I would add to those two people that like a port in the storm from constant new edition/codex updates found in mainline 40k. You can have an army or rulebook, come back to the game in 6 months and the chances are it will still be usable. You won't get someone dump some latest codex army on the table, with rules you have never heard of, and wipe it off the board.

I would have filed that under "people that don't like 40k", but you're absolutely right.

A lot of specialist games don't have anytthing like the release schedule of 40k though, so I suspect that won't be *too* threatened.

Well well, look what's now sold out and no longer available:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/The-Horus-heresy-Age-of-Darkness-Rulebook-2017

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/The-Horus-heresy-legiones-Astartes-Age-of-Darkness-Army-List

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/The-Horus-Heresy-Crusade-Imperialis-Army-Lists

Ooh, interesting

There's a bunch of books being LCTB on the main site too.

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's a bunch of books being LCTB on the main site too.

Yeah - I wonder if they're getting rid of existing stock before switching printers (or bringing it in-house).

beast_gts wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's a bunch of books being LCTB on the main site too.

Yeah - I wonder if they're getting rid of existing stock before switching printers (or bringing it in-house).

Could be a big part of it. Might also be chopping books that they just don't see as selling too hot.

It's also possible they're being repackaged.
GW's books come in plastic shrinkwrap, and the UK is implementing a tax on disposable plastic packaging. They may be 'reboxing' to remove the shrinkwrap and save the tax.
It would be strange for them to pull extant campaign books entirely from 40k.

I doubt that's the case for the 30k books though, they're almost certainly giving way to 2.0.

 Sabotage! wrote:
(not to mention I don't want to keep buying 50 dollar books that are invalidated 6 months later).

Buy new campaign book for $60, fall in love with one of the armies, spend your limited disposable income buying a $500 army, spend your limited free time every week to build/paint said army, rock up the store with your shiny new bois 6 months later to play a game, realize everyone is playing the new campaign book that came out last week while you were finishing up your old campaign army...

What a great system, I can see why these books sell like margaritas in Cancun during spring break.

Toofast wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
(not to mention I don't want to keep buying 50 dollar books that are invalidated 6 months later).

Buy new campaign book for $60, fall in love with one of the armies, spend your limited disposable income buying a $500 army, spend your limited free time every week to build/paint said army, rock up the store with your shiny new bois 6 months later to play a game, realize everyone is playing the new campaign book that came out last week while you were finishing up your old campaign army...

What a great system, I can see why these books sell like margaritas in Cancun during spring break.

Yeah I'm not sure I'm up for the churn in 30k. Hope it doesn't come to that.

 Crablezworth wrote:

Toofast wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
(not to mention I don't want to keep buying 50 dollar books that are invalidated 6 months later).

Buy new campaign book for $60, fall in love with one of the armies, spend your limited disposable income buying a $500 army, spend your limited free time every week to build/paint said army, rock up the store with your shiny new bois 6 months later to play a game, realize everyone is playing the new campaign book that came out last week while you were finishing up your old campaign army...

What a great system, I can see why these books sell like margaritas in Cancun during spring break.

Yeah I'm not sure I'm up for the churn in 30k. Hope it doesn't come to that.

It won't because it's still handled by FWs specialist games. Lotr got a new, unified edition, too. They also put out something plastic every now and then for that game. There are campaign books but these are exactly that, proper narrative content mostly with some legendary legions that allow different playstyles or help lacking armies. If you're not playing GWs main games you're actually lucky because many of GW's most problematic decisions don't apply. Aside from pricing...

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

Toofast wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
(not to mention I don't want to keep buying 50 dollar books that are invalidated 6 months later).

Buy new campaign book for $60, fall in love with one of the armies, spend your limited disposable income buying a $500 army, spend your limited free time every week to build/paint said army, rock up the store with your shiny new bois 6 months later to play a game, realize everyone is playing the new campaign book that came out last week while you were finishing up your old campaign army...

What a great system, I can see why these books sell like margaritas in Cancun during spring break.

Yeah I'm not sure I'm up for the churn in 30k. Hope it doesn't come to that.

It won't because it's still handled by FWs specialist games. Lotr got a new, unified edition, too. They also put out something plastic every now and then for that game. There are campaign books but these are exactly that, proper narrative content mostly with some legendary legions that allow different playstyles or help lacking armies. If you're not playing GWs main games you're actually lucky because many of GW's most problematic decisions don't apply. Aside from pricing...

I play Titanicus and Necromunda and my complaints about too many books also apply there. I have like 9 books for Titanicus where my entire army is 7 models. It's the same with necromunda, you need like 3 kits to have everything useful for your gang but the rules are split up into 12 different books. Aeronautica is the only game that isn't like that and that's only because the books they do put out barely sell and they don't think the market for that game could handle 10 more.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

It won't because it's still handled by FWs specialist games. Lotr got a new, unified edition, too. They also put out something plastic every now and then for that game. There are campaign books but these are exactly that, proper narrative content mostly with some legendary legions that allow different playstyles or help lacking armies. If you're not playing GWs main games you're actually lucky because many of GW's most problematic decisions don't apply. Aside from pricing...

Lotr supplements are optional same way as 40k supplements. Sure rohan plaler doesn't have to buy rohan at war or gondor at war..,but he will be ad disadvantage over rohan player who does.

40k players don't have to buy supplements either if power disadvantage doesn't bother.

No difference.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
It's also possible they're being repackaged.
GW's books come in plastic shrinkwrap, and the UK is implementing a tax on disposable plastic packaging. They may be 'reboxing' to remove the shrinkwrap and save the tax.
It would be strange for them to pull extant campaign books entirely from 40k.

I doubt that's the case for the 30k books though, they're almost certainly giving way to 2.0.

If they are just getting rid of the shrink wrap how do you think they are going to secure the download codes? I don’t know if a scratch off would cost more than the tax. Plus the tax was probably included in the last price increase.

New White Scars and Emperor’s Children Units Clash in this Free Horus Heresy Mission

PDF Link

Emperor’s Children get a "Sun Killer Squad" (heavy weapons), and White Scars get "Dark Sons of Death Squad" (jump).

So we now have:

UM Nemesis Destroyer Squad - Themed Destroyers
DG Mortus Poisoner Squad - Themed Destroyers
WE Red Hand Destroyer Assault Squad - Themed Destroyers
WS Dark Sons of Death Squad - Themed Destroyers
IW Dominator Cohort - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii)
IF Huscarl Squad - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii)
NL Atramentar Squad - Themed Terminators (Tartaros / Contekar?)
DA Inner Circle Knights Cenobium (Order of the Broken Claws) - New variant
EC Sun Killer Squad - Heavy Weapon / Support Squad

And Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Iron Hands, Thousand Sons, Sons of Horus, Word Bearers, Salamanders, Raven Guard & Alpha Legion don't have new units yet.

So how many Destroyer-based or Destroyer adjacent units does that make?

EC Sun Killer Squad??? Is that because they go around mooning everyone???

I note that we have two unique units - every other one has been two.

Perhaps they're accelerating schedule to get every legion done prior to HH2.0.

The "power armour through the ages" also had an interestingly 30k bend. Again, seems attention is now starting to officially shift towards HH a bit.

 Gert wrote:
So how many Destroyer-based or Destroyer adjacent units does that make?

Four, I think - UM Nemesis, DG Mortus Poisoner, WE Red Hand & WS Dark Sons of Death.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
I note that we have two unique units - every other one has been two.

Perditus Umbral-51 has DA & DG.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
The "power armour through the ages" also had an interestingly 30k bend. Again, seems attention is now starting to officially shift towards HH a bit.

More likely just a case of there being more artwork for the Legions than Chapters, the only things I can think of are from IA: Badab and they aren't nearly as fancy as the ones in the article. Flash over substance and all that.

I'm left wondering how many of these units are going to be carried through officially into HH 2.0.

 zedmeister wrote:
Well well, look what's now sold out and no longer available:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/The-Horus-heresy-Age-of-Darkness-Rulebook-2017

This is just my experience, but I have honestly never seen that book in stock on the Forgeworld site.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I'm left wondering how many of these units are going to be carried through officially into HH 2.0.

On one hand they're reusing existing models (and are fluffy), but on the other it's bloat - so who knows?

The Sunkiller squad is mind-blowingly overpowered.

5 Sun Killers with Lascannons, bolt pistol, Chainsword (uh, why?), ballistic skill 5 (2+ to hit), and they IGNORE COVER if they didn't move the turn before (with their stock 48" weaponry). 250 Points

5 Heavy Support Marines with Lascannons..... 235 Points.

15 Points? Thats how much ballistic skill 5, a Chainsword, and ignores cover is worth? Sign me the feth up. That's monstrously under-costed. And they can be taken in squads up to 20 strong. You could take 60 of these guys in a list for 2,550 Points and absolutely table anyone in like 3 turns. Deploy, never move, ignore armor and cover the entire game. Just throw an Augury scanner on them and no infiltrators within 18", and you get 20 Lascannon shots with interceptor for any deep-strikers.

Never move? You play without terrain?

tneva82 wrote:
Never move? You play without terrain?

Uh yeah. I deploy them in a building, then I never move because my 20 man lascannon squad can shoot the entire width of the battlefield. Why would you need to move them?

If you deploy a unit of them in the center of your deployment on a 6' x 4' table they have the entire table in range.

You do know that ignore cover doesn’t mean ignore line of sight, right?
Seriously, phosphex mortars render this a solved problem.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Never move? You play without terrain?

Uh yeah. I deploy them in a building, then I never move because my 20 man lascannon squad can shoot the entire width of the battlefield. Why would you need to move them?

If you deploy a unit of them in the center of your deployment on a 6' x 4' table they have the entire table in range.

What kind of fool agrees to play in a planet bowling ball where you have nice building to deploy and he has nothing to hide behind?

Your strategy only works against idiot that lets you load up board in your favour.

Opponent puts unit behind terrain THAT BLOCKS LOS and bang your lascannons uselessly.

Or heaven forbid...please don't tell me you think ignore cover means ignore LOS? Holy...

tneva82 wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Never move? You play without terrain?

Uh yeah. I deploy them in a building, then I never move because my 20 man lascannon squad can shoot the entire width of the battlefield. Why would you need to move them?

If you deploy a unit of them in the center of your deployment on a 6' x 4' table they have the entire table in range.

What kind of fool agrees to play in a planet bowling ball where you have nice building to deploy and he has nothing to hide behind?

Your strategy only works against idiot that lets you load up board in your favour.

Opponent puts unit behind terrain THAT BLOCKS LOS and bang your lascannons uselessly.

Or heaven forbid...please don't tell me you think ignore cover means ignore LOS? Holy...

Who would be that stupid to think that? It is not uncommon to have a building or two or three in or near your deployment zone. Are terrain pieces only supposed to go in the center 2 feet of a table? On top of this, they have a built in rule to allow them to deploy in cover with a fortification that doesn't take up the force org slot.

Putting them in cover is by no means a necessity with this unit. Deploy them in a lane where you can see a unit and vaporize it turn one. Unless the entire board is walled off by an impenetrable line of LOS blocking terrain this unit is gonna be super powerful ignoring cover.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
The Sunkiller squad is mind-blowingly overpowered.

I agree with this take. They're way under priced for what you get--15 points for extra rules and better ballistic skill. This is further compounded by the reality that, for some incredibly bizarre reason, additional sunkillers cost the exact same price as additional lascannon heavy support marines, despite being infinitely better.