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Ok, it's pretty clear from these LCTB announcements which kits will be going to plastic in the first wave of HH 2.0. I'm pretty sure the Sicaran will be a combo kit with Kratos build option onboard, and that we will be seeing a plastic Deimos Rhino soon. None of the Deimos Rhino doors are LCTB so this is pretty much a given. Glad I held off buying a Deimos as I hate resin/plastic hybrid kits; they have all the downsides of both kit types, I've heard horror stories about resin sides not fitting plastic floorings etc.

Grabbed a Contemptor since I've been planning to get one for a long time and I'm not sure I'll like the plastic version as much as the resin one. The resin Contemptors will be doubling in price immediately when it goes OOP so I just want to make sure I'm covering all my bases. If the plastic Contemptor remake meets my expectations, I can always sell the resin kit to collectors later.

I have one more point to make to HH vets lamenting over the Mk VI armour mark choice. This new starter is thematically taking place during the siege of Terra. I think the Mk VI fits this period in HH better than almost any other.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would you get rid of the characters?

Maybe to start selling them individually?

They're on one sprue.




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Cataphractii Terminators now LCTB

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/horus-heresy-cataphractii-terminators

Does anyone still have the pictures of the box contents?

I thought we had them somewhere on here, but couldn't spot them.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Does anyone still have the pictures of the box contents?

I thought we had them somewhere on here, but couldn't spot them.

This is the best idea we have:

Thank ya kindly!

Marine armour marks never made any sense to begin with. Almost all the marks were developed in the Crusade/HH era, and then remained unchanged for ten millennia, and only mark VIII was developed during that time. It is completely absurd and unbelievable.

But of course! The Catapractii termies coming in the HH 2.0 box are new sculpts, and will most likely be available as a separate kit later, making the existing Catapractii kit obsolete. GW wants to dump the old stock in time for the new kit.

At this point, the miniature contents of HH 2.0 box is pretty much confirmed (the actual amount of minis is yet to be confirmed however). First supplementary kits to follow the box will be Sicarius, Deimos Rhino/Predator, Leviathan dread..

 Crimson wrote:
Marine armour marks never made any sense to begin with. Almost all the marks were developed in the Crusade/HH era, and then remained unchanged for ten millennia, and only mark VIII was developed during that time. It is completely absurd and unbelievable.

I mean, if we got into "absurd and unbelievable things in the 40K background material", we'd be here all day.


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 tauist wrote:
But of course! The Catapractii termies coming in the HH 2.0 box are new sculpts, and will most likely be available as a separate kit later, making the existing Catapractii kit obsolete. GW wants to dump the old stock in time for the new kit.

Could be they're just reboxing them? Tbh I'm not familiar enough with the kit to be able to tell whether the ones in the leaked images are new or if they're staying stumpy-scale.

I'd be surprised if we didn't get a deimos down the line. The trio of sister tanks uses that as the base so they have the design down already

The existing plastic stuff going Last chance to buy is for rerelease in the new packaging/logo when the rest of the new stuff comes out, surely?

 Crimson wrote:
Marine armour marks never made any sense to begin with. Almost all the marks were developed in the Crusade/HH era, and then remained unchanged for ten millennia, and only mark VIII was developed during that time. It is completely absurd and unbelievable.

I mean, it makes sense if you consider that the imperium is supposed to be stagnant since then, especially after RD died, him being the last of the Primarchs. The Mk VIII is basically Mk VII after all, with some up armoring in known weak spots like the neck shot-trap.

 Nicky J wrote:
The existing plastic stuff going Last chance to buy is for rerelease in the new packaging/logo when the rest of the new stuff comes out, surely?

Doubt it, they will be redone in the new scale size, making most people rebuy what they already have to ensure everything looks good together. I don't think anything else has gone to Last chance to buy for reboxing. Previously they just went out of stock for prolonged periods before coming back in new boxes, sometimes with fewer sprues per box.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Marine armour marks never made any sense to begin with. Almost all the marks were developed in the Crusade/HH era, and then remained unchanged for ten millennia, and only mark VIII was developed during that time. It is completely absurd and unbelievable.

I mean, it makes sense if you consider that the imperium is supposed to be stagnant since then, especially after RD died, him being the last of the Primarchs. The Mk VIII is basically Mk VII after all, with some up armoring in known weak spots like the neck shot-trap.

No it doesn't. Such complete stagnation for ten millennia that even visually different arrangement of armour plates wouldn't emerge is completely unbelievable. Hell, stagnation would probably lead to a lot of new types of armour, as old technologies and manufacturing methods would be lost and people would be forced to do things differently. And of course given galactic distances, this would lead to a plethora of different types of suits in different parts of the galaxy.

All that matters is whether the models look good. The new beakies look pretty good, so all is well. I will definitely get some for kitbashing.

 Theophony wrote:

 Nicky J wrote:
The existing plastic stuff going Last chance to buy is for rerelease in the new packaging/logo when the rest of the new stuff comes out, surely?

Doubt it, they will be redone in the new scale size, making most people rebuy what they already have to ensure everything looks good together. I don't think anything else has gone to Last chance to buy for reboxing. Previously they just went out of stock for prolonged periods before coming back in new boxes, sometimes with fewer sprues per box.

They've purposely made these new HH marines slightly smaller than Primaris and slightly larger than Firstborn so that they can fit into both armies, I'm almost 100% certain. I wasn't sure what size they would be at first, I just assumed Primars scale because that would be the best way (imo) but I saw what looks to be an accurate scale comparison today and it seems like the bridging between both scales theory is the correct one.

/Edit - the pic


/Edit 2 - Having said that, I think the stuff will be redone in plastic. It's far more popular than resin, can be made cheaper, just a better product all round imo, even when considering the advantages that resin has over plastic. Plus I think FW just send most stuff out in FW bags don't they? idk it's been a while since I bought any official FW stuff, but that would make the packaging question moot in most cases.

Blimey

I know that’s most of an army in one big box, but oh my the sticker shock. Hard to budget that in.

Assuming my rough translation into US$ is correct.

Even if the rules end up being dog poop then ay least I can get HH gear without going into financial ruin.

 tauist wrote:
But of course! The Catapractii termies coming in the HH 2.0 box are new sculpts, and will most likely be available as a separate kit later, making the existing Catapractii kit obsolete. GW wants to dump the old stock in time for the new kit.

At this point, the miniature contents of HH 2.0 box is pretty much confirmed (the actual amount of minis is yet to be confirmed however). First supplementary kits to follow the box will be Sicarius, Deimos Rhino/Predator, Leviathan dread..

The Cataphractii in the box images that leaked are the existing models.

Ow...probably a $349 USD box. Well...I had planned on getting two of these, but looks like 1 only will be in the works.

 Nazrak wrote:
(e.g. they did away with the idea of MkII and III suits having the helmet fixed in place, with the wearer's head moving about *inside*, presumably on the basis that 1. it made for less dynamic models and 2. it was silly)

No, that was Mk II only (had helmet riveted to chest in old art). Mk III was explicitly improvement on that as in the helmet moving freely - and getting rid of it was pure garbage as the old lore sold the idea of PA improving with every iteration (plus verisimilitude as the neck protection is hardest design part in virtually any armour in history). In new, trash one you wonder why they built anything past Mk II as all of its drawbacks and shortcomings were retconned away and it did everything perfectly already.

Ditto with HH graviton guns, old rules had them clearly being precursor to grav guns of M41 (which they are in fluff, making the rules pretty much perfect). Then some clown in FW rule writing department got rid of that easter egg making the graviton substantially different (and worse) and from then on it virtually disappeared from the tabletop, too...

 GaroRobe wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
What a clear out.

Unsurprisingly, Mk VI has joined the list: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-MkVI-Corvus-Armour-2016

Kind of a shame. Those look pretty good for generic FW marines. Part of me likes the less ornated look

Nah, they look bad. Look at thighs in particular, that part of the leg is always the thickest, especially in bodybuilder types like SM, and yet here it's so anorexic it makes even the worst Sisters of Battle proportions look almost okay. It's almost the same thickness as their forearms! [not to mention usual squat SM issue of missing half of the spine between ribcage and pelvis, though at least here pelvis itself is not as comically wide as usual in old SM models]...

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would you get rid of the characters?

Maybe to start selling them individually?

They are paired on the sprue, cant split them up.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would you get rid of the characters?

Maybe to start selling them individually?

They are paired on the sprue, cant split them up.

I’m not especially sorry to see them go, tbh. Neither are great models.

At the risk of being pedantic…

 Irbis wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
(e.g. they did away with the idea of MkII and III suits having the helmet fixed in place, with the wearer's head moving about *inside*, presumably on the basis that 1. it made for less dynamic models and 2. it was silly)

No, that was Mk II only (had helmet riveted to chest in old art). Mk III was explicitly improvement on that as in the helmet moving freely

The WD129 article specifically states that "In earlier armour the helmet is fixed and the wearer's head is free to move inside. In Mark 4 and later versions (emphasis added) the helmet is not fixed but moves with the wearer's head."

Makes sense really given that Mk 3 was basically Mk 2 with extra armour plating on the front.





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 ImAGeek wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would you get rid of the characters?

Maybe to start selling them individually?

They are paired on the sprue, cant split them up.

I’m not especially sorry to see them go, tbh. Neither are great models.

Scale issues aside, I think the Chaplain's rather nice. Totally agree on the Terminator guy tho.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 tauist wrote:
But of course! The Catapractii termies coming in the HH 2.0 box are new sculpts, and will most likely be available as a separate kit later, making the existing Catapractii kit obsolete. GW wants to dump the old stock in time for the new kit.

At this point, the miniature contents of HH 2.0 box is pretty much confirmed (the actual amount of minis is yet to be confirmed however). First supplementary kits to follow the box will be Sicarius, Deimos Rhino/Predator, Leviathan dread..

The Cataphractii in the box images that leaked are the existing models.

Are they confirmed to be the exact same models as the existing ones? If so, this one is puzzling.. Tartaros is still remaining in stock, so this doesn't seem like it's caused by repackaging to newly branded boxes.

/shrug

Might simply be a matter of production control. If they're the same models, funnel production into the new box set and not the stand-alone kit.

Pick it back up after the boxed set goes out of production (or demand goes down, if its going to stick around as a starter)

Cynically (though I sincerely doubt the cataphracts are going to be anyone's primary draw to this box), GW doesn't want anything to detract from sales of this box. So not selling anything that overlaps makes some sense.

 smurfORnot wrote:

Sound like the rumor fron Faeit some months ago...

I don't understand why the cataphractii terminators seem to be going LCTB too. The rumours had the regular cataphractii terminators on them. I hope they got a rescale but I seriously doubt it.

LostTemplar wrote:
I don't understand why the cataphractii terminators seem to be going LCTB too. The rumours had the regular cataphractii terminators on them. I hope they got a rescale but I seriously doubt it.

Maybe a repack with 10 in a box?

I'll believe tactical marines at 5 in a box far before I believe a 10 man terminator box.