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**Nevelon**

Maybe repack with more options? It’s been a while since I built mine, but they just came with a HF for shooting upgrades IIRC.

**RazorEdge**

The weapon options in those HH Terminator Plastic Sets are very limited, expansion sprues are not unrealistic.

**beast_gts**

Test Your Loyalties and Discover Your Legion in This Horus Heresy Quiz - WarCom

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(It links to the https://thehorusheresy.com/ site, which doesn't have much on it right now)

**CragHack**

Resin contemptors will be like 300% their original msrp, should plastic contemptors be monopose.
If that box price is true... Ugh. 240 pounds will be like 270 euros if not more. Pretty much a 1/4 of what an average person earns per month

**Gadzilla666**

beast_gts wrote:
Test Your Loyalties and Discover Your Legion in This Horus Heresy Quiz - WarCom

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(It links to the https://thehorusheresy.com/ site, which doesn't have much on it right now)

Aaannnnd.......it's Night Lords. Shocking.

**Geifer**

That quiz is nonsense. There is a distinct lack of bunkers in those answers.

I can't work like this.

**Shadow Walker**

beast_gts wrote:
Test Your Loyalties and Discover Your Legion in This Horus Heresy Quiz - WarCom

Finished it - Alphas for me

**Nevelon**

Geifer wrote:
That quiz is nonsense. There is a distinct lack of bunkers in those answers.

I can't work like this.

Take it again, there were bunkers in my path.

Got Imp Fists the first time through. Ultras on the second pass.

Not too shocking, i do love a good stubborn bolter drill.

**ProfSrlojohn**

smurfORnot wrote:

No Blackshields or Shattered Legions, pour one out boys.

**Theophony**

Iron Hands Here....although I could be lying....

**beast_gts**

Theophony wrote:
Iron Hands Here....although I could be lying....

I play Iron Hands, yet keep getting Salamanders....

**Geifer**

Nevelon wrote:
Geifer wrote:
That quiz is nonsense. There is a distinct lack of bunkers in those answers.

I can't work like this.

Take it again, there were bunkers in my path.

Got Imp Fists the first time through. Ultras on the second pass.

Not too shocking, i do love a good stubborn bolter drill.

Eh, given my opinion on the novel series and consequent lack of knowledge of what its authors envisioned the legions to be, I might as well guess randomly and have as good a chance of getting a specific legion as if I tried to get it right.

**Gert**

CragHack wrote:
Resin contemptors will be like 300% their original msrp, should plastic contemptors be monopose.
If that box price is true... Ugh. 240 pounds will be like 270 euros if not more. Pretty much a 1/4 of what an average person earns per month

FW is still selling the Legion-specific Contemptors and the Relic version though and with the resin arms going LCTB it indicates that the new plastic weapons will be compatible with the resin Contemptors that remain. I'll be hopefully optimistic with the new Contemptor because the Redemptor is a good kit with a lot of posing options with minimal work.

**timd**

tauist wrote:
Ok, it's pretty clear from these LCTB announcements which kits will be going to plastic in the first wave of HH 2.0. I'm pretty sure the Sicaran will be a combo kit with Kratos build option onboard, and that we will be seeing a plastic Deimos Rhino soon. None of the Deimos Rhino doors are LCTB so this is pretty much a given. Glad I held off buying a Deimos as I hate resin/plastic hybrid kits; they have all the downsides of both kit types, I've heard horror stories about resin sides not fitting plastic floorings etc.

So the big money question is: Will the new plastic kits cost more than the resin kits of the same vehicles?

I think its likely...

T

**Crimson**

timd wrote:
tauist wrote:
Ok, it's pretty clear from these LCTB announcements which kits will be going to plastic in the first wave of HH 2.0. I'm pretty sure the Sicaran will be a combo kit with Kratos build option onboard, and that we will be seeing a plastic Deimos Rhino soon. None of the Deimos Rhino doors are LCTB so this is pretty much a given. Glad I held off buying a Deimos as I hate resin/plastic hybrid kits; they have all the downsides of both kit types, I've heard horror stories about resin sides not fitting plastic floorings etc.

So the big money question is: Will the new plastic kits cost more than the resin kits of the same vehicles?

I think its likely...

I'm sure you can gauge the approximate price by examining the prices of recent plastic kits of similar size.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Crimson wrote:
timd wrote:
tauist wrote:
Ok, it's pretty clear from these LCTB announcements which kits will be going to plastic in the first wave of HH 2.0. I'm pretty sure the Sicaran will be a combo kit with Kratos build option onboard, and that we will be seeing a plastic Deimos Rhino soon. None of the Deimos Rhino doors are LCTB so this is pretty much a given. Glad I held off buying a Deimos as I hate resin/plastic hybrid kits; they have all the downsides of both kit types, I've heard horror stories about resin sides not fitting plastic floorings etc.

So the big money question is: Will the new plastic kits cost more than the resin kits of the same vehicles?

I think its likely...

I'm sure you can gauge the approximate price by examining the prices of recent plastic kits of similar size.

I mean, as much as GW in GW, generally, when going from Resin to Plastic, most kits go down in pricce. For example, the HH Terminators or the HH Mark III and IVs sets, or the AoS Blood Knights.

**jullevi**

The real question is that will there finally be a plastic Thunderhawk and will it cost more or less than £240 lunch box?

**Gert**

timd wrote:

So the big money question is: Will the new plastic kits cost more than the resin kits of the same vehicles?

I think its likely...

T

Considering the Sicaran is like £90 currently and the Land Raider is only £52.50 and they are roughly similar in size, no. No they will not.
A FW tank is a solid chunk of resin attached to slightly smaller chunks of resin. GW plastics aren't and less material is used, so the kits are cheaper.

**kirotheavenger**

Most of the traitor unique units and rules are leaking atm, you can find them compiled here.

https://imgur.com/a/KHnbjdX

Seems confirmed units without models are gone

**Albertorius**

Gert wrote:
timd wrote:

So the big money question is: Will the new plastic kits cost more than the resin kits of the same vehicles?

I think its likely...

T

Considering the Sicaran is like £90 currently and the Land Raider is only £52.50, no. No they will not.

First, "only" £52.50 is hilarious. I remember I was selling it for 39 euros back when I was a redshirt.

Second, there's another one at £65, as well as a repulsor, so I wouldn't really be very surprised if they cost that at the very least.

**Gert**

Albertorius wrote:

First, "only" £52.50 is hilarious. I remember I was selling it for 39 euros back when I was a redshirt.

Second, there's another one at £65, as well as a repulsor, so I wouldn't really be very surprised if they cost that at the very least.

I expanded upon my reply. Also, the specific post the user made was about the kits will be more expensive than the plastic ones. You seriously think without any stupid "GeEdUbLU bAd" nonsense that a plastic redo of the Sicaran will somehow be more expensive than the current model? How? I want a legit reason based on actual fact and not just "Duuuuuuhhh cuz GW bad".
Will they be expensive? Yes. Will they be more than the current prices (Sicaran £92.50, Spartan £127.50, Deimos Rhino £46)? Absolutely not.

**Midnightdeathblade**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Gert wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
I fear they could retcon HH to make the MkVI stardard through the Heresy.

For god's sake stop overreacting. The Alpha Legion and Raven Guard had access to a lot of MkVI before the Heresy broke out and the Mechanicum, both Loyalist and Traitor, had already begun mass-producing it to supplement the Legions prior to Horus's revolt. You have to remember the Heresy wasn't some quick conflict, it lasted almost a decade, and it's already canon that by the Siege of Terra MkVI was the most common armour present in the Legions. Hell, when the Imperial Fists got involved with the Martian Schism it was Sigismund's final order to evacuate as much arms and armour as possible for the Loyalist cause before retreating. Both sides were also in no way adverse to stripping their fallen enemies of everything they could to both prevent its use and as small acts of vengeance.
The MkIV and III kits are still in production and FW is still selling its resin variants of the armour marks. Stop being paranoid.

I don't think being upset that the most under-used armor type becoming the poster boy armor in a game that is treated by a large portion of the community as a "historical" system is over-reacting. Pretty much everything you describe in your statement is true, yet this armor was still not seen in great numbers outside the RG, AL, and WS until or just before SIEGE OF TERRA, which is almost being treated as a separate IP at this point.

That aside, the Heresy was about a decade long, and at the beginning, the Legions were just finished getting equipped with shiny new MKIV armor. A few years in, these freshly stocked Legions were savaged beyond belief, and their somewhat plentiful MKIV armor was starting to dwindle. What did the Legions do? Start making chimeric suits, or producing a standardized "salvaged" suit of power armor which became known as MKV. -AND/OR- They opened up their hidden stores and old armories and distributed thousands of mothballed suits of less advanced but more simply maintained armor which was in its entirety made up of MKII CRUSADE ARMOR. The armor that once protected every single Space Marine during the Crusade, the most mass produced suit ever developed.

And you can't even purchase it. Like I'm ok with plastic MKVI existing, but it should not be the poster boy armor. If people want generic "one size fits all" approach to their Warhammer game they'll play 40K. Which is fine, but a massive portion of HH players got into the game because they had such subtle choices in personalizing their chosen Legion to the best of their ability to represent the lore accurately. GW should really have made MKII, or at least MKV with this boxset.

But yeah, Heresy vets have a right to be upset with this.

Like what are Salamander players gonna do with MKVI? The Salamanders were one of 3 Legions given MKVI to field test, and they HATED it, it didn't meld with their tactics at all, and while being an advanced suit, they preferred the use of heavier older marks that complimented their close range tactics. OH well you can buy MKIII and MKIV! And fight your buddies army with his upscaled marines that are all a whole head or more taller.

Different armour Marks didn't even exist in the original Heresy pre-BL.

All you describe above is post-retcon anyway and pointless drivel of no concern to genuine Horus Heresy fans.

You're actually mental lol. What to you is a "genuine" Horus Heresy fan then? RT era players?

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Midnightdeathblade wrote:

But yeah, Heresy vets have a right to be upset with this.

No we don't. Its just a fething game with a made up history that can and will be changed as often as it suits the needs of the writers. Get over yourself already.

People spend lots of money and get very invested in the lore/hobby of any game system they play. Your mentality is gak lol.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Different armour Marks didn't even exist in the original Heresy pre-BL.

All you describe above is post-retcon anyway and pointless drivel of no concern to genuine Horus Heresy fans.

Rick Priestly and the 1991 Compilation disagree with you.

Now of course all of the original Epic and Titanicus art had lil tiny Mark 6 Marines since at the time that was the only brand of Marine. So Marks 1-5 were shoved into the Unification Wars, the Great Crusade and the early Heresy, but they were definitely there.

**BorderCountess**

Geifer wrote:
That quiz is nonsense. There is a distinct lack of bunkers in those answers.

I can't work like this.

I don't buy it either - nothing about psychic powers.

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kirotheavenger wrote:
Most of the traitor unique units and rules are leaking atm, you can find them compiled here.

https://discord.com/channels/832649952043204659/943163895672078406/956986447666249778

Seems confirmed units without models are gone

Can't someone post this stuff someplace other than Discord? Whatever happened to leaks popping up on Imgur?

**gorgon**

Gert wrote:
timd wrote:

So the big money question is: Will the new plastic kits cost more than the resin kits of the same vehicles?

I think its likely...

T

Considering the Sicaran is like £90 currently and the Land Raider is only £52.50 and they are roughly similar in size, no. No they will not.
A FW tank is a solid chunk of resin attached to slightly smaller chunks of resin. GW plastics aren't and less material is used, so the kits are cheaper.

That's not how it works though. They'll assign whatever price they think the market can bear.

**Albertorius**

Gert wrote:
Albertorius wrote:

First, "only" £52.50 is hilarious. I remember I was selling it for 39 euros back when I was a redshirt.

Second, there's another one at £65, as well as a repulsor, so I wouldn't really be very surprised if they cost that at the very least.

I expanded upon my reply. Also, the specific post the user made was about the kits will be more expensive than the plastic ones. You seriously think without any stupid "GeEdUbLU bAd" nonsense that a plastic redo of the Sicaran will somehow be more expensive than the current model? How? I want a legit reason based on actual fact and not just "Duuuuuuhhh cuz GW bad".
Will they be expensive? Yes. Will they be more than the current prices (Sicaran £92.50, Spartan £127.50, Deimos Rhino £46)? Absolutely not.

I don't believe FW's prices are due to them being resin, but rather due to the fact that they can ask that much and people will buy it. They absolutely will ask that kind of money for plastic, if they think they can get away with it.

Or do you really think this is more expensive, material-wise, than a resin Sicaran? (one example, picked more or less at random. There's more)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Stormcast-Eternals-Stardrake

Because that's £100. And sprues-wise, that's exactly the same as a Repulsor Executioner, three big ones, which costs £65.

**JWBS**

The general consensus is that resin is more expensive in material, in labour, and in economies of scale.

**kirotheavenger**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Can't someone post this stuff someplace other than Discord? Whatever happened to leaks popping up on Imgur?

Sorry, that's me being an idiot.
https://imgur.com/a/KHnbjdX
I didn't realise "copy link" on Discord copies a link to the message, not the content of the message!

**Albertorius**

JWBS wrote:
The general consensus is that resin is more expensive in material, in labour, and in economies of scale.

And plastics are more expensive in moulding and design, yes.

Bt if GW is already asking money in the ballpark of FW designs, that's more than a bit immaterial.

They will price their stuff at whatever they think they can get away with. If they think that by being HH they can ask more for stuff than regular 40k... they will.

Now the question is whether they think that. They did believe that back when they released separately the stuff from the Calth and Prospero boxes, and they marked them up compared with comparable 40k stuff.

**kirotheavenger**

JWBS wrote:
The general consensus is that resin is more expensive in material, in labour, and in economies of scale.

True, but GW's prices are all so far above actual production costs they really only minimally factor into it.
You can buy higher quality resin sculpts, with better quality customer service, for cheaper than Forgeworld. That's stuff cast and distributed in the UK too, so it's not like they're using Chinese labour. Plus they're smaller companies so don't benefit from the economy of scale as much as GW.

I suspect a plastic spartan will cost as much or more than a Repulsor because they're a larger and more expensive (in game) model, therefore can command a higher price. Probably more for the reasons mentioned, combined with GW's standard price marching. Maybe £70-80.