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Man, y'all sleeping on Mark V Heresy pattern. Nothing is more awesome to me than armor so busted up and cobbled together that the only way they could make it serviceable is by using FIST-SIZED RIVETS to fasten plates of metal and ceramite together, give you slap on the bum and say 'off ya trot' with your barely-functioning bolter in hand.

I can only dream that someday we'll get a plastic Mark V kit. I know it's widely disliked but as an avid Space Sharks fan, none of the armor marks even come close to touching how cool Mark V is to me.

I'm not even joking. Y'all can have all your Mark II and Mark III and Mark IV and Mark VI all you want, but give me all your Mark V for trade.

There is something uniquely appealing about the studded helms.

drbored wrote:
Man, y'all sleeping on Mark V Heresy pattern. Nothing is more awesome to me than armor so busted up and cobbled together that the only way they could make it serviceable is by using FIST-SIZED RIVETS to fasten plates of metal and ceramite together, give you slap on the bum and say 'off ya trot' with your barely-functioning bolter in hand.

I can only dream that someday we'll get a plastic Mark V kit. I know it's widely disliked but as an avid Space Sharks fan, none of the armor marks even come close to touching how cool Mark V is to me.

I'm not even joking. Y'all can have all your Mark II and Mark III and Mark IV and Mark VI all you want, but give me all your Mark V for trade.

I didn't used to have fond feelings for MkV, but after picking up the Armour Through the Ages set (literally ordered the day before GW put it up as LCTB) and I definitely bumped it up my list. MkIII is still my top pick (I just like my Marines with some chonk to to their design), but MkIV is definitely sitting as my second favorite with MkIV sitting down at the number three spot (though I only like it with some legion color schemes, like Death Guard in MkIV seems wrong to me). The rest are down at the bottom save for MkI which I don't rank because it's got a certain novel charm that makes it hard to rank.

The MkV from the Armour Through The Ages set sans 1998 plastic backpack, arms, shoulder pads and bolter:

drbored wrote:
Man, y'all sleeping on Mark V Heresy pattern. Nothing is more awesome to me than armor so busted up and cobbled together that the only way they could make it serviceable is by using FIST-SIZED RIVETS to fasten plates of metal and ceramite together, give you slap on the bum and say 'off ya trot' with your barely-functioning bolter in hand.

I can only dream that someday we'll get a plastic Mark V kit. I know it's widely disliked but as an avid Space Sharks fan, none of the armor marks even come close to touching how cool Mark V is to me.

I'm not even joking. Y'all can have all your Mark II and Mark III and Mark IV and Mark VI all you want, but give me all your Mark V for trade.

If you're serious, send me a PM, I got 5 MkV resin torsos with absolutely no use whatsoever (bought the MkV Assault squad FW just to get RT era Jump Packs for my Beakies)

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 godardc wrote:
I believe I hate everything so far. This release is a catastrophic failure for me, from the obvious retcons to the people accepting them like they had always been there, the unnecessary change of edition, the models and kits that aren't gonna be in the new edition, the end of the black books... If this proves a single thing, it's that there is never enough gatekeeping

Gatekeeping is poison. What a stupid post.

Gatekeeping is necessary to keep any sort of quality of the fanbase.

Without gatekeeping you get people going onto to the Warhammer 40k subreddit asking what a "bolter" is, and if they do anything on the tabletop, while posting a blurry picture of Primaris instructions, or posting pictures of the bloody Chaos Star and going "guys what's this thing????", instead of y'know, googling it like normal people.

It just nosedives the quality of any discourse when it's filled with people that have no clue about what they're doing.

Enjoy your corner of the hobby dwindling to nothing as you exclude everyone you sheer at for [insert spurious “reasons” and post-rationalised justifications].

Any hobby needs new blood. Keeping new excited people out is daft.

Hobby needs new blood, not people who can't be bothered to google the most basic 40k knowledge, like what a Bolter is or how the Chaos star looks like. That kind of people ain't gonna contribute much of value anyway, since clearly they don't actually remotely care, don't know anything about the hobby, and have no desire to learn anything by themselves unless someone hands it to them on a silver platter.

And i'd rather have my hobby corner die than see it be overrun with kind of people.

That's absolutely disgusting.

Gatekeeping is pure garbage. There's no "literacy test" to get in a hobby. If you have such thin skin then that's your problem.

Never squash someone's enthusiasm. They can always grow into something more.

In other news I'm not sure how I keep getting World Eaters when I play Blood Angels. |: T

 ClockworkZion wrote:


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As for complaining about HH retcons, did people forget the original Heresy ended with Horus being assaulted in his command bunker by the Emperor?

It's retcons all the way down people.

Don't spoil the ending!

And wasn't it just a justification as to WHY adeptis titanicus models where fighting eachother

 Moopy wrote:

That's absolutely disgusting.

Gatekeeping is pure garbage. There's no "literacy test" to get in a hobby. If you have such thin skin then that's your problem.

Never squash someone's enthusiasm. They can always grow into something more.

Amen. Genuinely don't understand how regressive and closed-minded you'd need to be to type out something like that. If someone is interested in the hobby then help them learn whatever it is you find cool about it, don't shun someone because they haven't passed some arbitrary test. At the end of the day it's a hobby, not a career.

There are no retcons in 40K, just a succession of unreliable narrators

In my view, The Horus Heresy is a legend from the prehistory of the Imperium. The stories in the Black Library novels and the background in the Forge World books are just one version of what might have happened.

Arguing about what mark of armour was worn at the Siege of Terra feels a bit like arguing about exactly what style of helmet Achilles wore at the siege of Troy.

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 Theophony wrote:
Doubt it, they will be redone in the new scale size, making most people rebuy what they already have to ensure everything looks good together. I don't think anything else has gone to Last chance to buy for reboxing. Previously they just went out of stock for prolonged periods before coming back in new boxes, sometimes with fewer sprues per box.

They've purposely made these new HH marines slightly smaller than Primaris and slightly larger than Firstborn so that they can fit into both armies, I'm almost 100% certain. I wasn't sure what size they would be at first, I just assumed Primars scale because that would be the best way (imo) but I saw what looks to be an accurate scale comparison today and it seems like the bridging between both scales theory is the correct one.

Where did you get this information? According to the article on the Warhammer Community page, "This might not be the first time we’ve seen Mark VI power armour in plastic (that would have been the first ever plastic kit for Warhammer 40,000 – RTB01), but this brings them up to date with the Mark III and Mark IV kits with LOADS of options."

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And wasn't it just a justification as to WHY adeptis titanicus models where fighting eachother

Yeah, back then plastic molds were really expensive and a second model kit would have almost doubled the cost of the project. Titanicus (and Epic) likely wouldn't have happened without the first boxed game being the same models for both sides.

No One Important wrote:
Either that or it's the best armor and thus was given solely to the front line troops who all died and only the cowardly reserves with their obsolete junk armor managed to escape Terra alive.

That would certainly explain a lot about the Veterans of the Long Sulk...

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
There are no retcons in 40K, just a succession of unreliable narrators

In my view, The Horus Heresy is a legend from the prehistory of the Imperium. The stories in the Black Library novels and the background in the Forge World books are just one version of what might have happened.

Yeah, the black books even say they are not first-person accounts but assemblies of secondary and tertiary sources made several centuries after the conclusion of the Scouring, and definitely incomplete and inaccurate because some details had been deliberately obscured/censored.

Remember, the building of the Great Pyramid of Giza is closer to now than the Heresy is to “now” in 40K. Ten thousand years is a looong time.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And wasn't it just a justification as to WHY adeptis titanicus models where fighting eachother

More or less. It started as a fluff bit in the 1988 Rogue Trader book and then was built on when they did the AT (and later 1st edition Epic) to justify why both sides had the same robots but painted different colors.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
There are no retcons in 40K, just a succession of unreliable narrators

In my view, The Horus Heresy is a legend from the prehistory of the Imperium. The stories in the Black Library novels and the background in the Forge World books are just one version of what might have happened.

Arguing about what mark of armour was worn at the Siege of Terra feels a bit like arguing about exactly what style of helmet Achilles wore at the siege of Troy.

Exactly!

 Moopy wrote:
In other news I'm not sure how I keep getting World Eaters when I play Blood Angels. |: T

They're both blood-thirsty murder hobos. Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to.

 Crimson wrote:
What is weird that even though Mk VI was super common during the latter phases of the Heresy, we basically never see CSM in armour derived from it. Where are all the CSM beakies?

It might not have any obviously MkVI helmets, but there are 3 MkVI torsos in the CSM kit (as well as some knee-pad-less legs which are presumably from MkVI suits).

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
There are no retcons in 40K, just a succession of unreliable narrators

In my view, The Horus Heresy is a legend from the prehistory of the Imperium. The stories in the Black Library novels and the background in the Forge World books are just one version of what might have happened.

Arguing about what mark of armour was worn at the Siege of Terra feels a bit like arguing about exactly what style of helmet Achilles wore at the siege of Troy.

I don't know, coming in here spouting common sense and logic... didn't you get the memo? Only Hyperbole are authorised on the Internet.

Now report yourself to the Internet police immediately!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And wasn't it just a justification as to WHY adeptis titanicus models where fighting eachother

More or less. It started as a fluff bit in the 1988 Rogue Trader book and then was built on when they did the AT (and later 1st edition Epic) to justify why both sides had the same robots but painted different colors.

This is an extremely common misconception but there is no mention of the Horus Heresy in Rogue Trader.

 ohreally wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And wasn't it just a justification as to WHY adeptis titanicus models where fighting eachother

More or less. It started as a fluff bit in the 1988 Rogue Trader book and then was built on when they did the AT (and later 1st edition Epic) to justify why both sides had the same robots but painted different colors.

This is an extremely common misconception but there is no mention of the Horus Heresy in Rogue Trader.

Indeed. The whole Horus Heresy is a retcon!

Yes. This is what is written about M30 in Rogue Trader:

"From amongst the chaos of the Age of Strife
one faction emerges as the victor, Slowly all
the galaxy is taken within its before present
fold and the Imperium is founded, The leader
of the Imperium is known only as the Emperor
- at this time still capable of independent life.
With the founding of the Astronomican,
psychic navigational beam directed by the
Emperor himself, interstellar travel becomes
easier and quicker. The repression and control
of psykers and warp creatures releases much
of humanity from its hellish bondage."

I don't think Rogue Trader even had the idea of Chaos Marines until its lore started expanding after the main book.

It didn't. 'Warp entities' were there, but they were very general (enslavers were the ones with more detail).

Mutants were the results of nuclear/biological/chemical incidents or problems. Chaos (let alone chaos marines) was just... not in the picture.

The 'implied setting' of Logans(?) World was _in_ the Eye of Terror, which was just a region of frequent warp storms so the narrative bastion for gameplay had competing factions rather than Imperial dominance (it was isolated for years at a time).

One of the few named (background!) characters in RT was Leman Russ, and he was a cyborg commander (and former pilot) with an 'osmotic lung' and was gifted command of the Space Wolves for whatever yadda yadda reasons. (Who weren't on Fenris, and neither was their very traditional fortress-monastery (The Fang). The planet's name escapes me at the moment)

There is an illustration with the Emperor and Horus in the RT Rulebook.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


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As for complaining about HH retcons, did people forget the original Heresy ended with Horus being assaulted in his command bunker by the Emperor?

It's retcons all the way down people.

Don't spoil the ending!

Spoiler:

That would be hilarious if they use that as the ending for Seige of Terra!!

The Emperor went YEET

RazorEdge wrote:
There is an illustration with the Emperor and Horus in the RT Rulebook.

Is there? I don't remember that, and a cursory look to the book hasn't revealed it. I do remember Leman Russ, though, and the dead emperor (I don't think there's any image in the RT book of the Emp not in the throne), but no Horus.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


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As for complaining about HH retcons, did people forget the original Heresy ended with Horus being assaulted in his command bunker by the Emperor?

It's retcons all the way down people.

Don't spoil the ending!

Spoiler:

That's from the Book of the Astronomican, right? IIRC it's the first place that the Horus Heresy actually appears.

It does have this beauty, though

Oh, I remember the Cup of Retribution! For my 2dn edition Dark Angels army I used the chalice from Corbulo to convert a chaplain carrying it.

drbored wrote:
Man, y'all sleeping on Mark V Heresy pattern. Nothing is more awesome to me than armor so busted up and cobbled together that the only way they could make it serviceable is by using FIST-SIZED RIVETS to fasten plates of metal and ceramite together, give you slap on the bum and say 'off ya trot' with your barely-functioning bolter in hand.

I can only dream that someday we'll get a plastic Mark V kit. I know it's widely disliked but as an avid Space Sharks fan, none of the armor marks even come close to touching how cool Mark V is to me.

I'm not even joking. Y'all can have all your Mark II and Mark III and Mark IV and Mark VI all you want, but give me all your Mark V for trade.

Amen. Every time I say this I'm met with hostility about how gakky it is and how its "not a real mark of armor" (I'm glad recent publications have gone out of their way to largely dispel that myth and point out that it was a fairly well standardized assembly that wasn't without its own advantages over other armor marks).

Mark V Heresy pattern is total badass power armour. I really hope they make an upscaled plastic kit of it at some point.

Mk.II and Mk.V are the two I want the most, and, weirdly, are the only two they don't make in plastic. Even Mk.VIII exists in plastic thanks to the Deathwatch Vet kit (and the odd bit in the Tactical Squad box).