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 Galas wrote:
See? This is why I hate wargames. It appeals to the fanboy fantasy of people and corporations conspiring to destroy their toys just because they chose to make into plastic one style of power armour instead of other style of power armour.

Damn, no kidding. talk about hangups.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
People complaining about "anachronistic" armor marks is the logical end result of the same attitude that led to that WD guy's Son of Horus army getting excoriated. First of all, yes, there was Corvus armor in production by that time. Even Mk. VII was being produced by the Siege of Terra. Secondly, what are you trying to prove? That you're more of a pedant than anyone else?

I demand historical accuracy in my game about *checks notes* super soldiers 40k years in the future fighting alien races and literal demons...

 RaptorusRex wrote:
... that led to that WD guy's Son of Horus army getting excoriated.

Please elaborate.

A guy made a nice SoH army that got featured in WD, and it had Primaris marines in it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mk.II and Mk.V are the two I want the most, and, weirdly, are the only two they don't make in plastic. Even Mk.VIII exists in plastic thanks to the Deathwatch Vet kit (and the odd bit in the Tactical Squad box).

give it time, they'll likely put out MK V armor the next time they wanna do a HH box. including the upcoming one GW's put out 3 HH boxes. Betrayal at Calith (MK IV) Properio (MK 3) and the upcoiming box with MK VI.

seems a safe bet we'll get a battle box with MK V down the road.


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JWBS wrote:
A guy made a nice SoH army that got featured in WD, and it had Primaris marines in it.

which GW proably deliberately selected to enforce that "your guys do what you want!" and push back against pendantry like the folks complaining typically did

Toofast wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
People complaining about "anachronistic" armor marks is the logical end result of the same attitude that led to that WD guy's Son of Horus army getting excoriated. First of all, yes, there was Corvus armor in production by that time. Even Mk. VII was being produced by the Siege of Terra. Secondly, what are you trying to prove? That you're more of a pedant than anyone else?

I demand historical accuracy in my game about *checks notes* super soldiers 40k years in the future fighting alien races and literal demons...

Kind of irrelevant since he wants to adhere to a fictional history. The rules are made up too, would you play with cheaters? Assuming you believe they exist.

I guess it really doesn't matter, I'll just use Stormtroopers as Clone troopers in my next legion match. The fake history isn't really important enough to bother being accurate. I mean they're both suits of laminate armor, how can it be such a big deal? Anyone who has an issue with it is just a toxic gatekeeper anyways and I wouldn't want to play with them in the first place. They probably spend way to much time being "lore accurate" painting correct legion/battalion markings on every squad or worrying about phase 1 and phase 2 armor or some stupid gak like that.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I guess it really doesn't matter, I'll just use Stormtroopers as Clone troopers in my next legion match. The fake history isn't really important enough to bother being accurate. I mean they're both suits of laminate armor, how can it be such a big deal? Anyone who has an issue with it is just a toxic gatekeeper anyways and I wouldn't want to play with them in the first place. They probably spend way to much time being "lore accurate" painting correct legion/battalion markings on every squad or worrying about phase 1 and phase 2 armor or some stupid gak like that.

You didnt fight in the "Number of Clones War" did you...

JWBS wrote:
A guy made a nice SoH army that got featured in WD, and it had Primaris marines in it.

I just looked, and I find it hilarious that the first result on google for "iron warriors primaris" are the minis I painted xD.


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 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I guess it really doesn't matter, I'll just use Stormtroopers as Clone troopers in my next legion match. The fake history isn't really important enough to bother being accurate. I mean they're both suits of laminate armor, how can it be such a big deal? Anyone who has an issue with it is just a toxic gatekeeper anyways and I wouldn't want to play with them in the first place. They probably spend way to much time being "lore accurate" painting correct legion/battalion markings on every squad or worrying about phase 1 and phase 2 armor or some stupid gak like that.

I mean... yes?

JWBS wrote:
A guy made a nice SoH army that got featured in WD, and it had Primaris marines in it.

Oh I'd love to see that, googling hasn't revealed that picture or what WD its in!

Isn't going back to MkVI a ret-ret-con anyway? The first Horus Heresy set game featuring marines, was Space Marine, which contained marines all wearing MKVI.

Seems a sensible choice as we already have MKIII and MKIV in plastic (even if the scale is slightly out) and I suspect MKV would be a bit of a nightmare to do well in plastic due to all the potential undercuts for the studs.

Also it ties in nicely with the 35th Anniversary of 40K and RTB01.

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

JWBS wrote:
A guy made a nice SoH army that got featured in WD, and it had Primaris marines in it.

Oh I'd love to see that, googling hasn't revealed that picture or what WD its in!

Google "White Dwarf Sons of Horus Army". It hasn't revealed which issue it was in, but I found a pic, and a video complaining about it from 2020. Apparently, the dude doesn't play Horus Heresy at all and uses it as a 40k Ultramarines army.

It was a SoH army that also had some Primaris because the owner, Simon Elsen, liked the models. It was primarily HH era models but again like the Ben Greaves incident, the fragile babies in the HH community sent harassment towards the guy because he dared to paint models in a scheme he liked.

If I remember rightly, they published that under the Horus Heresy banner which riled people up. Unfortunately, some took it upon themselves to go after Simon for some reason where his only sin was to paint an army of "Your Dudes". Not his fault for what the Warhammer Community and White Dwarf publishes.

Edit: For context:

Happen there’s a Horus Heresy Open Day at Warhammer World Saturday 7 May 2022.

Potential launch date?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Happen there’s a Horus Heresy Open Day at Warhammer World Saturday 7 May 2022.

Potential launch date?

could be. THE WAITING DRIVES ME CRAZY!

gonna be hard figuring out what legion to dive into though

 ohreally wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And wasn't it just a justification as to WHY adeptis titanicus models where fighting eachother

More or less. It started as a fluff bit in the 1988 Rogue Trader book and then was built on when they did the AT (and later 1st edition Epic) to justify why both sides had the same robots but painted different colors.

This is an extremely common misconception but there is no mention of the Horus Heresy in Rogue Trader.

That's on me, I meant to write Rogue Trader Chapter Approved Book, at least I got the year right.

HH was not mentioned in the RT book but it was soon after.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mk.II and Mk.V are the two I want the most, and, weirdly, are the only two they don't make in plastic. Even Mk.VIII exists in plastic thanks to the Deathwatch Vet kit (and the odd bit in the Tactical Squad box).

Thunder Warriors or GTFO.

Thunder Warriors vs techno barbarians in the ruins of Earth. That's the game I want now.

 ohreally wrote:


This is an extremely common misconception but there is no mention of the Horus Heresy in Rogue Trader.

Not really. But it's a common misconception that there are still some similarities remaining between the original Horus Heresy background and the ret-con train wreck it became after the Horus Rising novel going forward.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Happen there’s a Horus Heresy Open Day at Warhammer World Saturday 7 May 2022.
Potential launch date?

Only reason I would say no is that IIRC GWs fiscal year ends May 31st. Usually they launch this type of a product after the year end so that they can get a running start to the numbers for the next year and have something solid to report for their half-year statement.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mk.II and Mk.V are the two I want the most, and, weirdly, are the only two they don't make in plastic. Even Mk.VIII exists in plastic thanks to the Deathwatch Vet kit (and the odd bit in the Tactical Squad box).

Thunder Warriors or GTFO.

Thunder Warriors vs techno barbarians in the ruins of Earth. That's the game I want now.

This.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Happen there’s a Horus Heresy Open Day at Warhammer World Saturday 7 May 2022.

Potential launch date?

Joe over on Bolter+Chainsword posted this:

This huge event is a must for every fan of Warhammer: The Horus Heresy. The massive new edition will be on display in all its glory, and you’ll be able to marvel at the fantastic new miniatures, glory in some of the sprawling studio armies on display, and paint one of the new plastic MkVI Space Marines – who you’ll even get to take home with you.

You’ll also meet some of the top content creators from around the community in person. And, of course, you’ll have the chance to try out the new game, with focused demos to explain some of the core mechanics of the rules.

The event will also feature a brand new open format painting competition that all attendees can enter so get your best Horus Heresy models ready to go to see if you can become a Legend of Paint! We'll be sending out more details on this so keep those paints and brushes primed and ready for action!

So, it's looking like a May release date!

Or at the very least it might be preorders going or gone live, with a 2 week window or something.

yeah doesn't sound like its releasing on May 7th based on that, sounds like it'll be a preview event.

 zedmeister wrote:
If I remember rightly, they published that under the Horus Heresy banner which riled people up. Unfortunately, some took it upon themselves to go after Simon for some reason where his only sin was to paint an army of "Your Dudes". Not his fault for what the Warhammer Community and White Dwarf publishes.

Edit: For context:

The reaction is stupid, but its clear from the article text that he is trying to build a heresy army, to the point of building his own versions of the HH novels' characters. The WD people put it under the Heresy banner for a reason.


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The preview open day is interesting. Though... I hope they don't wait until May to show off decent pictures of the box set contents..

Obligatory link:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/28/caught-horus-heresy-fever-play-the-new-edition-before-its-released-at-a-special-warhammer-world-event/

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I guess it really doesn't matter, I'll just use Stormtroopers as Clone troopers in my next legion match. The fake history isn't really important enough to bother being accurate. I mean they're both suits of laminate armor, how can it be such a big deal? Anyone who has an issue with it is just a toxic gatekeeper anyways and I wouldn't want to play with them in the first place. They probably spend way to much time being "lore accurate" painting correct legion/battalion markings on every squad or worrying about phase 1 and phase 2 armor or some stupid gak like that.

I'm genuinely puzzled by this post. I assume it is meant to be some sort of satire instead of presenting an eminently reasonable position in good faith...

 Crimson wrote:
I'm genuinely puzzled by this post. I assume it is meant to be some sort of satire instead of presenting an eminently reasonable position in good faith...

It's definitely satire but he's making a point that it doesn't matter what hobby you're in, if there's a certain pre-set cannon then there will always be a subset of people who expect that cannon to be adhered to. Now you can level accusations of gatekeeper all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that you're fighting against two strands, or maybe more, of wargamer and you'll never change this. The one strand who is in for total immersion who treats the game as part re-enactment and part wargame, right down to correct use of equipment and uniforms, will be the one who gets annoyed at this. The MkVI at Istvaan 3 armour issue or Sons of Horus primaris trouble can be seen in the same vein as what Midnightdeathblade was impying when talking about using Stormtroopers in the clone wars era or the hypothetical Historical gamer getting annoyed at his opponent using Peninsula War uniforms during the battle of Waterloo for Napoleonics. Most of the time, you'll almost never encounter this in person as most people attending events or clubs will already know of the environment they're stepping into.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I'm genuinely puzzled by this post. I assume it is meant to be some sort of satire instead of presenting an eminently reasonable position in good faith...

It's definitely satire but he's making a point that it doesn't matter what hobby you're in, if there's a certain pre-set cannon then there will always be a subset of people who expect that cannon to be adhered to. Now you can level accusations of gatekeeper all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that you're fighting against two strands, or maybe more, of wargamer and you'll never change this. The one strand who is in for total immersion who treats the game as part re-enactment and part wargame, right down to correct use of equipment and uniforms, will be the one who gets annoyed at this. The MkVI at Istvaan 3 armour issue or Sons of Horus primaris trouble can be seen in the same vein as what Midnightdeathblade was impying when talking about using Stormtroopers in the clone wars era or the hypothetical Historical gamer getting annoyed at his opponent using Peninsula War uniforms during the battle of Waterloo for Napoleonics. Most of the time, you'll almost never encounter this in person as most people attending events or clubs will already know of the environment they're stepping into.

I can appreciate attention to detail, but ultimately I play a fantasy wargame instead of a historical one so that I have freedom to use my imagination. I will convert, model and paint my army according to what I think looks cool, not according to some dusty manual of made-up history that has already been retconned countless times and is self-contradictory. In this regard the strength of Warhammer has always been that the fluff is vague, messy and up to interpretation, so it seems extremely counterproductive to get all OCD about it.

 Crimson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I'm genuinely puzzled by this post. I assume it is meant to be some sort of satire instead of presenting an eminently reasonable position in good faith...

It's definitely satire but he's making a point that it doesn't matter what hobby you're in, if there's a certain pre-set cannon then there will always be a subset of people who expect that cannon to be adhered to. Now you can level accusations of gatekeeper all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that you're fighting against two strands, or maybe more, of wargamer and you'll never change this. The one strand who is in for total immersion who treats the game as part re-enactment and part wargame, right down to correct use of equipment and uniforms, will be the one who gets annoyed at this. The MkVI at Istvaan 3 armour issue or Sons of Horus primaris trouble can be seen in the same vein as what Midnightdeathblade was impying when talking about using Stormtroopers in the clone wars era or the hypothetical Historical gamer getting annoyed at his opponent using Peninsula War uniforms during the battle of Waterloo for Napoleonics. Most of the time, you'll almost never encounter this in person as most people attending events or clubs will already know of the environment they're stepping into.

I can appreciate attention to detail, but ultimately I play a fantasy wargame instead of a historical one so that I have freedom to use my imagination. I will convert, model and paint my army according to what I think looks cool, not according to some dusty manual of made-up history that has already been retconned countless times and is self-contradictory. In this regard the strength of Warhammer has always been that the fluff is vague, messy and up to interpretation, so it seems extremely counterproductive to get all OCD about it.

This.

GW make games set in a fictional setting, which is big enough to cover anyone's creative designs. Let people paint/convert their models how they see fit after all... the models belong to the owner.

 stonehorse wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I'm genuinely puzzled by this post. I assume it is meant to be some sort of satire instead of presenting an eminently reasonable position in good faith...

It's definitely satire but he's making a point that it doesn't matter what hobby you're in, if there's a certain pre-set cannon then there will always be a subset of people who expect that cannon to be adhered to. Now you can level accusations of gatekeeper all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that you're fighting against two strands, or maybe more, of wargamer and you'll never change this. The one strand who is in for total immersion who treats the game as part re-enactment and part wargame, right down to correct use of equipment and uniforms, will be the one who gets annoyed at this. The MkVI at Istvaan 3 armour issue or Sons of Horus primaris trouble can be seen in the same vein as what Midnightdeathblade was impying when talking about using Stormtroopers in the clone wars era or the hypothetical Historical gamer getting annoyed at his opponent using Peninsula War uniforms during the battle of Waterloo for Napoleonics. Most of the time, you'll almost never encounter this in person as most people attending events or clubs will already know of the environment they're stepping into.

I can appreciate attention to detail, but ultimately I play a fantasy wargame instead of a historical one so that I have freedom to use my imagination. I will convert, model and paint my army according to what I think looks cool, not according to some dusty manual of made-up history that has already been retconned countless times and is self-contradictory. In this regard the strength of Warhammer has always been that the fluff is vague, messy and up to interpretation, so it seems extremely counterproductive to get all OCD about it.

This.

GW make games set in a fictional setting, which is big enough to cover anyone's creative designs. Let people paint/convert their models how they see fit after all... the models belong to the owner.

But don't allow 3D printed parts/models or conversions during GW tournaments . This is the reason some are worried as they have seen odd rules held at tournaments and conventions that could limit people "Having Fun".