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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Thunder Warriors or GTFO.

Thunder Warriors vs techno barbarians in the ruins of Earth. That's the game I want now.

It could be a cool board game.

After HH will run its time in few years (i think 5) we will get Thunder Warriors. I also presume it will start from a skirmish or boardgame.

Says who?

Badab wars will get the plastic treatment first. We might already be seeing it happening as Huron has gone LCTB. With the rescaling of the MKVI and some of the other kits also clearing out of Forgeworld there could be an easy purposeful relaunch of all Marine armors (MK VII and MK VIII) with larger proportions. People like the new size and larger bases, so why not resell what you already have. Make them just as modular as the older kits, and release Badab chapter specific upgrades kits like they are doing for Hersey. It's more Marine on Marine action with no primarchs, simple work up as most everything is already fleshed out, just not widely available. All these current battle areas like Nachmund just seem disposable while something like the Badab war is more Iconic.

There was a rumor about MKVII Marines in new Scale for late Horus Heresy.

Wouldn’t it be something if the plan all along was to redo first born in exactly this way? Get primaris out there with the paper thin fluff justification, let folks sort themselves out into camps, with the intention of once the hubbub settled, rescaling OG marines, as the most stubborn neck beards would now see their toy soldiers as inferior in the face of the new stuff, pass on primaris, but happy to embrace a rescaling of the classic mks.

RazorEdge wrote:
There was a rumor about MKVII Marines in new Scale for late Horus Heresy.

What's the source for that? That seems unlikely.

Tavis75 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its certainly believable though, I expect that 240 GBP box to come in over 300 American (if I were to guess, probably $320-360 range) - for sake of comparison the Adeptus Titanicus Grandmaster Edition box was like 290 USD (not sure on GBP) when it released in 2018/2019 and contained substantially less content vs what is being indicated in the leaked photos.

The Adeptus Titanicus Grandmaster box was 180 GBP, so by that reckoning the HH launch box would be around 385-390 USD (not accounting for random regional price differences due to reasons).

When the grandmaster edition launched the pound was much stronger against the dollar than it is now. The price disparity between GWs UK pricing and US pricing is (generally) not as severe now as it was back then, so I would be surprised if the box was priced above $360.

 ekwatts wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There was a rumor about MKVII Marines in new Scale for late Horus Heresy.

What's the source for that? That seems unlikely.

Its that time of the year. Everything should be considered unlikely.

Plan is always to find new ways to sell Space Marines and its a good plan because it keeps the cash flowing and results in new releases for other armies and games too. I expect Horus Heresy boxed set to sell like absolute hotcakes regardless of price tag because its contents can be used to build a single army and for anyone who can afford to play Horus Heresy with FW models already the only question is how many copies are they limited to in single purchase.

I don't care if large amounts of MK6 armour is canon or not. It becomes canon from the exact moment when pre-orders go live.

 ekwatts wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There was a rumor about MKVII Marines in new Scale for late Horus Heresy.

What's the source for that? That seems unlikely.

I think this probably stems from the little snippet from the very old white dwarf that says MkVII made a first appearance at the SoT which was floating around twitter recently.

Vorian wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There was a rumor about MKVII Marines in new Scale for late Horus Heresy.

What's the source for that? That seems unlikely.

I think this probably stems from the little snippet from the very old white dwarf that says MkVII made a first appearance at the SoT which was floating around twitter recently.

Alan Bligh's plan was to move into The Scouring after The Siege of Terra, but who knows what it is now...

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Thunder Warriors or GTFO.

Thunder Warriors vs techno barbarians in the ruins of Earth. That's the game I want now.

It could be a cool board game.

It was kind of a missed opportunity to introduce Custodes in a "last war for Terra" boxset, featuring Thunder Warriors vs Custodes. That could have been incredible. The issue would be that Thunder Warriors themselves wouldn't serve a huge purpose for people outside collectors, compared to the majority Burning of Prospero models which are usable in 40k.

Popped up on 4chan:

Spartan and Deimos Rhino based Vehicles will have options to build the Crew
with different armours (MkII and MkVI).

Those Compilation Books are a stop-gap for more Expansion releases with new
Unit options.

There exist plans for separate codex books for EVERY Space Marine Legion
which will released over the next years.

GW doesn't plan a 3 years Edition life time for Horus Heresy.

FW weapon packs for special and heavy weapons will sold regularly via the GW
main shop after the release of HH as a new main game.

This is another test run to sell FW stuff via GW.

They plan to release certain smaller model parts which can be produced fast
and with lesser risk of miscasts.

Seems like the rumor is original from faeit

beast_gts wrote:

Vorian wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There was a rumor about MKVII Marines in new Scale for late Horus Heresy.

What's the source for that? That seems unlikely.

I think this probably stems from the little snippet from the very old white dwarf that says MkVII made a first appearance at the SoT which was floating around twitter recently.

Alan Bligh's plan was to move into The Scouring after The Siege of Terra, but who knows what it is now...

He also talked about the Great Crusade and expanding the Game with few Xenos like Orcs and Eldar, that's why the named the ruleset "Age of Darkness" and not Horus Heresy perse.

RazorEdge wrote:
Popped up on 4chan:

Spartan and Deimos Rhino based Vehicles will have options to build the Crew
with different armours (MkII and MkVI).

Those Compilation Books are a stop-gap for more Expansion releases with new
Unit options.

There exist plans for separate codex books for EVERY Space Marine Legion
which will released over the next years.

GW doesn't plan a 3 years Edition life time for Horus Heresy.

FW weapon packs for special and heavy weapons will sold regularly via the GW
main shop after the release of HH as a new main game.

This is another test run to sell FW stuff via GW.

They plan to release certain smaller model parts which can be produced fast
and with lesser risk of miscasts.

Seems like the rumor is original from faeit

beast_gts wrote:

Vorian wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There was a rumor about MKVII Marines in new Scale for late Horus Heresy.

What's the source for that? That seems unlikely.

I think this probably stems from the little snippet from the very old white dwarf that says MkVII made a first appearance at the SoT which was floating around twitter recently.

Alan Bligh's plan was to move into The Scouring after The Siege of Terra, but who knows what it is now...

He also talked about the Great Crusade and expanding the Game with few Xenos like Orcs and Eldar, that's why the named the ruleset "Age of Darkness" and not Horus Heresy perse.

Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if they went back and filled out the Great Crusade once they’re done with the Siege.

Release plastic MkII that everyone wants plus Orks and other Xenos for that era.

He never really discussed doing Great Crusade and incorporating Xenos. He was very specifically ambivalent towards that very idea and said (roughly paraphrasing) that it was something that they might do maybe one day but there was so much other content to do in terms of the Horus Heresy and Age of Scouring that they would be busy for several decades producing other content before they got to the point that they would even need to think about going back to the Great Crusade.

RazorEdge wrote:
Popped up on 4chan:

Spartan and Deimos Rhino based Vehicles will have options to build the Crew
with different armours (MkII and MkVI).

Those Compilation Books are a stop-gap for more Expansion releases with new
Unit options.

There exist plans for separate codex books for EVERY Space Marine Legion
which will released over the next years.

GW doesn't plan a 3 years Edition life time for Horus Heresy.

FW weapon packs for special and heavy weapons will sold regularly via the GW
main shop after the release of HH as a new main game.

This is another test run to sell FW stuff via GW.

They plan to release certain smaller model parts which can be produced fast
and with lesser risk of miscasts.

If these rumours are true, MKII plastic troopers are pretty much guaranteed.

However there's so much rumours on new stuff right now that it's all sus right now

Just waiting for GW to say on Friday that the core set will be $500. Then if the blowback is too much they can always say April Fools, but if enough people say...well it's a bit more than I wanted, but I'm still going to get one or two, then they will just smile sheepishly with the sound of a cash register chinging in their heads.

On one of the leaked Box Set pictures from last year, you can see that the Spartan has a Crew member in Mk III armour.

It would be great if they could release plastic mk7. Maybe set during the Badab War era. Or even the 13th Black Crusade!

No idea what they could possibly call it though. Horus Heresy is obviously out. Games of Warhammer. In the 41st millenium. Hmmm.
Any ideas?

chaos0xomega wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Three different starter sets and a "getting started" magazine? A £240 launch box?
Is The Horus Heresy really as big as 40K and AoS? I'm certainly all for it, as it bodes well for The Old World next year, but finding it hard to believe.

Its certainly believable though, I expect that 240 GBP box to come in over 300 American (if I were to guess, probably $320-360 range) - for sake of comparison the Adeptus Titanicus Grandmaster Edition box was like 290 USD (not sure on GBP) when it released in 2018/2019 and contained substantially less content vs what is being indicated in the leaked photos.

I think the range is closer to $350-400 USD. Generally GW converts 1.6 x the price in pounds (some a smidge higher, some a smidge lower, but always within a small percent).

Honestly if the leaked price is 240 pounds, then I'd be legitimately shocked if it's less than $380. More likely that it's $400.

Tac squads will be $55 each retail at minimum. The Spartan will likely be $110 minimum (more likely $140). Cataphractii are $70. That Contemptor has zero cance of coming in at less than $70. The Praetors if sold separately will be $35+.

That's over $500 in gw bucks right there, and that's before the rulebook. If you figure 30-33% discount for big starter boxes, then $380-400 puts you roughly there.

 tauist wrote:
I too have an unassembled resin Land Raider (armoured Proteus) which I have been too nervous about to start building it.

The armoured Proteus is the one I have. I built one, and it was awful - most of the panels were noticeably concave, and several pieces simply didn't fit. The exhaust block on the back needed about a quarter inch of gap filling on the sides. I sent FW an email about it and they sent me a new kit which I've not been motivated enough to do anything with... but would be reasonably confident that a plastic one would be better quality and easier to build.

over all, I think any price under 500 bucks is going to be a good eneugh bargin folks'll buy it, and if the 3 boc HH set rumor is true it's going to be a suprisingly accessable game.


there's a LOT of room for plastic stuff, heck I'd not be suprised if when GW finally releases another plastic primarch for 40k the mini comes with a "heresy build" and a "40k build" and I expect we're going to see a lot of that partiuclarly with regards to chaos marines.

Do we really want 18+ hardback AUD$85 books for HH?

Apparently they're gonna be Legion books, so if you want 18 books you can have them, but the plurality of people will buy one or two. Seems like a win/win.

JWBS wrote:
Apparently they're gonna be Legion books, so if you want 18 books you can have them, but the plurality of people will buy one or two. Seems like a win/win.

Honestly I just want them to be cheaper than the black books.

As long as the books don't get replaced in one year by a new "2.0-2" edition, or come alongside day one patches. I think it would be neat to have dedicated books with lore, army rules, special units/characters, and hobby guides all in one place.

So not likely.

If some of this is true and 30k will get a nice long lifespan (instead of the relatively short lifespan of a 40k or AoS edition) then I'm ok with separate legion books. Will be easier to carry around one of those rather than whatever massive tome the 'traitor' and 'loyalist' indexes will be.

The major issue I see with that is having to wait years to get them all out. Unlikely that they'll be out all at once, probably done in clusters around certain parts of the war, likely coinciding with the upgrade kits that were rumored, if that pans out. So if you're the unlucky person that loves, say, Salamanders, and they're the last book to come out, well, have fun waiting for those 5+ years for that to happen. So, let's hope those loyalist and traitor indexes are good enough to get everyone by for half a decade.

As to the rest, time will tell. It's looking pretty good if we're getting all that plastic, and if FW weapon packs can be bought through GW stores/site. As for the various marks of armor... if they're going with the upscaling of all the models, then I just hope we do indeed see the other marks done in due time. To me it's a risk, because 30k is already a niche thing, so making 4-5 of the same unit just to have different armor...

As for the Badab stuff, I honestly can't see FW touching that. I could absolutely see GW taking the few Badab war factions that were popular (namely Carcharodons and Red Scorpions) and giving those characters the Primaris treatment.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
It would be great if they could release plastic mk7. Maybe set during the Badab War era. Or even the 13th Black Crusade!

No idea what they could possibly call it though. Horus Heresy is obviously out. Games of Warhammer. In the 41st millenium. Hmmm.
Any ideas?

I know you're joking, but I would love some Badab War stuff. There were some awesome characters and factions in there.

The best part about HH marine armour is that it's incredibly transferable to 40k. You don't even need to really justify why your guys wear old suits of armour either. So GW can tap two markets with those sets.