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I've never played HH because of the overwhelming, crushing, and intimidating cost but if the box set is good I could be tempted. Not really sure what legion I would go for, which is also a bit of a road block.

Hairesy wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
It would be great if they could release plastic mk7. Maybe set during the Badab War era. Or even the 13th Black Crusade!

No idea what they could possibly call it though. Horus Heresy is obviously out. Games of Warhammer. In the 41st millenium. Hmmm.
Any ideas?

I know you're joking, but I would love some Badab War stuff. There were some awesome characters and factions in there.

75% of my games are centered around either Badab or Armageddon, so I approve of this.

But for 30k I'd like Istvaan and others to not be forgotten with all this SOT stuff they've got coming out.

Remember Istvaan!

I like it.

I don’t think even GW would release upgrade sprues months after the main box comes out. They’d be a day one release to maximise launch Fomo.

Back in the comments , it’s mentioned the BL books are a version of events ? The heresy series is the actual version as of now of events. Not a 40K era doctored version. Hence things like Imperium Secundus, Dark angels being where they shouldn’t be etc

Racerguy180 wrote:
75% of my games are centered around either Badab or Armageddon, so I approve of this.

The fluff for my Primaris Chapter - the Iron Paladins - has its routes in the aftermath of the Badab Uprising.

It's a fun place to visit.

That's way too expensive I'm afraid. Any hope I had of getting mates to invest in this have just gone up in smoke with that £240 price tag - even doing a split box that's going to be a lot of money.

chaos0xomega wrote:
He never really discussed doing Great Crusade and incorporating Xenos. He was very specifically ambivalent towards that very idea and said (roughly paraphrasing) that it was something that they might do maybe one day but there was so much other content to do in terms of the Horus Heresy and Age of Scouring that they would be busy for several decades producing other content before they got to the point that they would even need to think about going back to the Great Crusade.

Thanks for the clarification on that

There is a distinction between launch box and starter boxes so don't jump the gun per say.

Assuming that price and box content rumour is accurate, why are you ignoring the lower priced options? Like just the rulebook, or one of the smaller starters? The big box looks like it’s positioned for veterans who want all the things now, much like Indomitus or the AT Grand Master edition.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I don’t think even GW would release upgrade sprues months after the main box comes out. They’d be a day one release to maximise launch Fomo.

The same happen with the expansion sprues for the Primaris at the beginning of the 8th Edition.

Shoulder Pads for Ultramarines came in August when the other main Chapters got theirs much later...

 Pacific wrote:
That's way too expensive I'm afraid. Any hope I had of getting mates to invest in this have just gone up in smoke with that £240 price tag - even doing a split box that's going to be a lot of money.

chaos0xomega wrote:
He never really discussed doing Great Crusade and incorporating Xenos. He was very specifically ambivalent towards that very idea and said (roughly paraphrasing) that it was something that they might do maybe one day but there was so much other content to do in terms of the Horus Heresy and Age of Scouring that they would be busy for several decades producing other content before they got to the point that they would even need to think about going back to the Great Crusade.

Thanks for the clarification on that

frankly the idea of going back to the great crusade doesn't make a lot of sense for the HH line anyway. as it removes options rather then adds them (in that anything introduced during the heresy such as traitor corrupted units would be unuseable). assuming they felt a ned to move beyond the heresy (which us a open question, WW2 games for the most part don't see a need to do say.. the korean war) the scouring makes the most sense

Apologies if this has already been answered but do we know if the kits in the Heta-Gladius box will be monopose or the full multi-part kits that will go on general release later in the year?

 PurpleEcho wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered but do we know if the kits in the Heta-Gladius box will be monopose or the full multi-part kits that will go on general release later in the year?

Given we don't actually know if the Heta-Gladius box is a thing that actually exists... no idea.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Assuming that price and box content rumour is accurate, why are you ignoring the lower priced options? Like just the rulebook, or one of the smaller starters? The big box looks like it’s positioned for veterans who want all the things now, much like Indomitus or the AT Grand Master edition.

I think a lot of people aren't factoring it in just because that hasn't been confirmed yet (unlike the box) and I believe the rumour for them came from Faeit of all places.

 PurpleEcho wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered but do we know if the kits in the Heta-Gladius box will be monopose or the full multi-part kits that will go on general release later in the year?

Assuming that you're not using primaris-hater-definition of monopose,* I'm pretty sure that they won't be monopose. Looking at the previewed model, the arms and shoulderpads seem to be made of fully separate bits, indicating similar construction to full primaris and CSM kits. There probably won't be waist articulation, as GW tends not to do that anymore as it messes up the details of the abdomen.

(*Anything without ball-socket waist joint is 'monopose'.)

 Crimson wrote:

 PurpleEcho wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered but do we know if the kits in the Heta-Gladius box will be monopose or the full multi-part kits that will go on general release later in the year?

Assuming that you're not using primaris-hater-definition of monopose,* I'm pretty sure that they won't be monopose. Looking at the previewed model, the arms and shoulderpads seem to be made of fully separate bits, indicating similar construction to full primaris and CSM kits. There probably won't be waist articulation, as GW tends not to do that anymore as it messes up the details of the abdomen.

(*Anything without ball-socket waist joint is 'monopose'.)

That's a very poor caracterization of the issue. A figure that the only poseable parts are the arms and the head is hardly "fully poseable" too. It just has assembly options.

 Albertorius wrote:

That's a very poor caracterization of the issue. A figure that the only poseable parts are the arms and the head is hardly "fully poseable" too. It just has assembly options.

Yet no-one called skitarii or genstealer cult models monopose, until labelling that type of model as such became an useful way to complain about the primaris.

But whatever. GW makes only monopose models now. And we don't anymore have useful terminology for distinguishing between different types of models GW makes, as they all have been defined 'monopose'. Happy?

 Crimson wrote:
Assuming that you're not using primaris-hater-definition of monopose,* I'm pretty sure that they won't be monopose. Looking at the previewed model, the arms and shoulderpads seem to be made of fully separate bits, indicating similar construction to full primaris and CSM kits. There probably won't be waist articulation, as GW tends not to do that anymore as it messes up the details of the abdomen.

(*Anything without ball-socket waist joint is 'monopose'.)

I reckon they'll be split in a similar way to how the Necromunda models are. In that you'll get a series of posed bodies with a few different arm poses.

For example, this fella here has a remarkably similar pose to the Sergeant:

^Yep.

So, to take it further and make a speculation on the Mk VI sprue layout, you could get:

- 5 Bodies
- 10 different bolter poses
- Equipment to outfit a sergeant to one pose
- Equipment to outfit a nuncio vox (I don't like the look of the new one) to one pose
- equipment to outfit a Vexilla to one pose

Take that 1 sprue and stuff two of them into your tactical squad box and hey presto - 10 man squad with just about enough variation to make them look different with loads of extra parts.

Does the aquila totem on the SoH marine's bolter make sense? (The one from the leaked pic, not the official preview)

Besides the fact that he's fighting against the Emperor, I didn't think it was used as a symbol by anyone outside of the EC. It looks like the IF praetor has it on his forehead as well, so maybe it's just me not being as familiar with 30k/HH traditions

 GaroRobe wrote:
Does the aquila totem on the SoH marine's bolter make sense? (The one from the leaked pic, not the official preview)

Besides the fact that he's fighting against the Emperor, I didn't think it was used as a symbol by anyone outside of the EC. It looks like the IF praetor has it on his forehead as well, so maybe it's just me not being as familiar with 30k/HH traditions

I think that might be the Imperialis - but odd that Sons of Horus are using it.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Does the aquila totem on the SoH marine's bolter make sense? (The one from the leaked pic, not the official preview)

Besides the fact that he's fighting against the Emperor, I didn't think it was used as a symbol by anyone outside of the EC. It looks like the IF praetor has it on his forehead as well, so maybe it's just me not being as familiar with 30k/HH traditions

Easily written off as a spoil of war. He picked up an bolter from a fallen EC marine. Also if they are at the battle on Earth then maybe it was a badge to help show who is loyalist/traitor with all the Alpha Legion Shenanigans happening.

I'd personally prefer no bling or neutral bling like studs so that I can paint however without need to make up story or remove items such as that.

The Emperor's Children had special permission to wear the aquila on their chest plates, but I believe it was still used as a decoration elsewhere.

 zedmeister wrote:

The picture has two other marines with the same body in the background, one looks like from the GW preview (skull on base) and the other like a 100% identical model.

The praetor models are legion neutral. I wouldn't look into the aquila thing too much.

 zedmeister wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Does the aquila totem on the SoH marine's bolter make sense? (The one from the leaked pic, not the official preview)

Besides the fact that he's fighting against the Emperor, I didn't think it was used as a symbol by anyone outside of the EC. It looks like the IF praetor has it on his forehead as well, so maybe it's just me not being as familiar with 30k/HH traditions

I think that might be the Imperialis - but odd that Sons of Horus are using it.

I think it might actually be a winged skull rather than an Aquila. That makes more sense as a martial honour, for a start.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
That's way too expensive I'm afraid. Any hope I had of getting mates to invest in this have just gone up in smoke with that £240 price tag - even doing a split box that's going to be a lot of money.

chaos0xomega wrote:
He never really discussed doing Great Crusade and incorporating Xenos. He was very specifically ambivalent towards that very idea and said (roughly paraphrasing) that it was something that they might do maybe one day but there was so much other content to do in terms of the Horus Heresy and Age of Scouring that they would be busy for several decades producing other content before they got to the point that they would even need to think about going back to the Great Crusade.

Thanks for the clarification on that

frankly the idea of going back to the great crusade doesn't make a lot of sense for the HH line anyway. as it removes options rather then adds them (in that anything introduced during the heresy such as traitor corrupted units would be unuseable). assuming they felt a ned to move beyond the heresy (which us a open question, WW2 games for the most part don't see a need to do say.. the korean war) the scouring makes the most sense

Remove some, add others.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 PurpleEcho wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered but do we know if the kits in the Heta-Gladius box will be monopose or the full multi-part kits that will go on general release later in the year?

Assuming that you're not using primaris-hater-definition of monopose,* I'm pretty sure that they won't be monopose. Looking at the previewed model, the arms and shoulderpads seem to be made of fully separate bits, indicating similar construction to full primaris and CSM kits. There probably won't be waist articulation, as GW tends not to do that anymore as it messes up the details of the abdomen.

(*Anything without ball-socket waist joint is 'monopose'.)

That's a very poor caracterization of the issue. A figure that the only poseable parts are the arms and the head is hardly "fully poseable" too. It just has assembly options.

There comes a point where we are just quibbling about definitions though. The old GW models weren't "fully posable" were they? Well, depending on your definition anyway. Were the classic tactical marines fully posable? If you answer yes then I think you're looking at them through rose-tinted glasses tbh. I found the myriad different parts to be tedious to use, and there wasn't much payoff to having all those bits that apparently added poseability. The twist of the torso? Great (I'm being sarcastic, it was okay and that's all). The cupped hand holding the bolter? Bad. The six different bolters, each with a different icon? meh. This was no golden age of miniatures. Here's a reminder of what we have 'lost' in terms of poseability, in case anyone has forgotten

I think a 10-marine squad will be on two sprues, like the existing MkIV kit. Not enough room on a single sprue for 5 bodies and all the weapon options, backpacks, shoulderpads and heads. Remember, this will be a kit for both 30K & 40K, it will have special weapon & Heavy weapon loadouts as well as sergeant loadouts, plus HH specific comms guy and whatnot. I don't see how all that's ever going to fit on a single sprue. That would also result in a bunch of redundant bits, as everything would be doubled.

I hope we also get 10 unique poses but it's possible that we'll have to settle for 5 with duplicates.

 Crimson wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

That's a very poor caracterization of the issue. A figure that the only poseable parts are the arms and the head is hardly "fully poseable" too. It just has assembly options.

Yet no-one called skitarii or genstealer cult models monopose, until labelling that type of model as such became an useful way to complain about the primaris.

But whatever. GW makes only monopose models now. And we don't anymore have useful terminology for distinguishing between different types of models GW makes, as they all have been defined 'monopose'. Happy?

Sure man, you seem to be pretty flustered about it, so whatever you say. Happy?