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beast_gts wrote:
The Raven Guard Lay Siege to Fulgrim’s Perfect Fortress in this Free Horus Heresy Mission

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RG Deliverer Squad - Cataphractii Terminators

Now we’ve announced the upcoming edition of the Horus Heresy game, players will be pleased to note that all of the Exemplary Battles units we’ve published in this series will have their profiles updated to work with the new rules – stay tuned for more, but rest assured they will remain usable. In fact, they were all written for the new edition and then reverse-engineered to fit the current one – it’s almost like we had a plan all along…

2W, teleporting terminators with the option to equip the entire squad with master crafted lightning claws. Very nice.

I'm just happy that at least some Legion specifics aren't getting removed and that there may be hope that the rest stay as well.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
2W, teleporting terminators with the option to equip the entire squad with master crafted lightning claws. Very nice.

And they can take Multi-meltas!

beast_gts wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
2W, teleporting terminators with the option to equip the entire squad with master crafted lightning claws. Very nice.

And they can take Multi-meltas!

Zone Mortalisssss...

I haven't read the fluffy bits, is there a reason given why they're red?


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 Gert wrote:
I'm just happy that at least some Legion specifics aren't getting removed and that there may be hope that the rest stay as well.

The game's about to expand massively, not contract. I suspect we'd see things not immediately ported over in one of the principal books getting covered either later on or in an online article. I am staying optimistic in light of what's been, so far, very good news.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I haven't read the fluffy bits, is there a reason given why they're red?

They're Terrans who were Raven Guard before Corax was discovered, and "had walked in the vanguard of Horus himself".

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yuck. This is some borderline gaslighting, like GW respects the conversions it encouraged and the collections defined by them and always intends continuity? (Looks at the cranky CSM codex thread... Looks at what's getting discontinued in this thread... Looks at...)

The stuff that is being "discontinued" is a rumour. You can choose to believe it or not but considering the "hold the HH lot over until the new edition" units are all staying, have you considered the rumours are wrong?

beast_gts wrote:
The Raven Guard Lay Siege to Fulgrim’s Perfect Fortress in this Free Horus Heresy Mission

PDF Link

RG Deliverer Squad - Cataphractii Terminators

Now we’ve announced the upcoming edition of the Horus Heresy game, players will be pleased to note that all of the Exemplary Battles units we’ve published in this series will have their profiles updated to work with the new rules – stay tuned for more, but rest assured they will remain usable. In fact, they were all written for the new edition and then reverse-engineered to fit the current one – it’s almost like we had a plan all along…

I've never seen Raven Guard painted red before, I'm not up to speed on Heresy-era fluff. Is the paint scheme just for a special Cataphractii squad?

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I've never seen Raven Guard painted red before, I'm not up to speed on Heresy-era fluff. Is the paint scheme just for a special Cataphractii squad?

Yes - They're Terrans who were Raven Guard before Corax was discovered, and "had walked in the vanguard of Horus himself".

Having now read through the background, yes, they served right alongside the Justaerin and Horus praised them up so it would seem they adopted this scheme during that time and when they were united with Corax, he instantly disliked them and treated them like dirt, which is why a large number of them deserted to the Warmaster and the rest were bundled off to remote campaigns far away from their primarch (and likely found their way into the Carcaradons like the rest of the terrans he showed so much disdain towards, the feathery dringus).

Yep - more bad parenting.

I dunno about that. Considering how late Corax was found and how the Terran Astartes were indoctrinated too heavily into their savagery and terror tactics, traits that defined the soldiers and rulers Corax had fought his whole life on Deliverance, can you blame Corax for looking at his inherited sons and being disgusted? Horus then used the Raven Guard as he had before Corax's discovery and it further poisoned him to the old ways of his Legion.

I don't disagree Gert, but I think 'sending away' your elite troops because you find their methods 'distasteful' was a mistake.

... and is some kind of stupid?

Elite yes, but elite in a way that wasn't beneficial to the Legion. They were basically the Night Lords but with less skin wearing and that didn't fit with Corax's philosophies or tactics.
It is important to note that while he disliked the Terran Astartes, he was still disgusted at Horus's callous sacrifice of them at Gate 42. He also didn't immediately send them off to die in the depths of space, they had time together as father and sons which obviously didn't work out. We don't really know much about Corax or his feelings towards the Imperium and it currently sits as a contradiction between his philosophy of being a liberator and peace bringer, yet the Imperium is a bastion of slavery in almost every facet of its existence even during the Crusade-era.
If you really think about it, what is easier? Telling thousands of Astartes their methods of war are wrong and they need to adapt to the new order, or just telling them to go do whatever they do just over there away from you and the Astartes that are a part of the new order? Terrans never melded well with those of their Primarchs homeworlds and there was almost always resentment between the two groups, the Terrans feeling usurped and discarded, and the new breed feeling judged and unworthy. Very few Legions overcame this problem and Corax could have seen this and decided exile was easier than conflict within his forces.

Is there some HH-era reason he couldn't just, like, give their valuable gear to some guys he liked better?

Terminator armour isn't useful for infiltration purposes and Corax had a whole world dedicated to production for just his Legion, Khiavar, and its moon Deliverance.
So he could send off the Terrans to continue the Crusade and keep his Legion fully equipped at the same time.

keepo in mind that the Legions didn't travel in a single huge fleet but seperated into various task forces I imagine corax basicly just didn't hang out with his terrans and didn't reinforce them.

Nah, it was exile in all but name.

Someone pointed out on FB that in the Unit Showcase, one of them has a power fist - which is not currently a legal option...

beast_gts wrote:
Looking at all the Destroyer units - plastic Destroyers incoming?

If they did that, it'd make a lot of sense (to me) for them to combine it with the bp+chainsword Tactical squad option (Despoilers?) since it'd only require some extra close combat hands/arms to be thrown in. Although, Destroyers can take jump packs, can't they?

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Looking at all the Destroyer units - plastic Destroyers incoming?

If they did that, it'd make a lot of sense (to me) for them to combine it with the bp+chainsword Tactical squad option (Despoilers?) since it'd only require some extra close combat hands/arms to be thrown in. Although, Destroyers can take jump packs, can't they?

Yes there's a jump pack option, and if you believe the leaks there's separate unit entries for them now - Mortalis Destroyers on foot, and Destroyer Assault Squad with jump packs. I can see Despoilers becoming an upgrade pack.

I am intrigued to see just how many plastic kits GW thinks the HH range can support. I'm also happy from a selfish POV, since almost all basic HH infantry types are usable for Firstborn units in 40k

beast_gts wrote:
So we now have:
UM Nemesis Destroyer Squad - Themed Destroyers
DG Mortus Poisoner Squad - Themed Destroyers
WE Red Hand Destroyer Assault Squad - Themed Destroyers
WS Dark Sons of Death Squad - Themed Destroyers
IW Dominator Cohort - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii)
IF Huscarl Squad - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii)
NL Atramentar Squad - Themed Terminators (Tartaros / Contekar?)
DA Inner Circle Knights Cenobium (Order of the Broken Claws) - New variant
EC Sun Killer Squad - Heavy Weapon / Support Squad
RG Deliverer Squad - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii)

And are waiting for: Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Iron Hands, Thousand Sons, Sons of Horus, Word Bearers, Salamanders & Alpha Legion.

Looking at all the Destroyer units - plastic Destroyers incoming?

I doubt it, they are just really proud, or really desperate, of/to push the FW destroyer kit that they re-tooled a few months ago. FW made like 5 posts about it.


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Deliverers are cool, but I feel a wee undercosted. Not that this sheet of rules really matters.

 Gert wrote:
Elite yes, but elite in a way that wasn't beneficial to the Legion. They were basically the Night Lords but with less skin wearing and that didn't fit with Corax's philosophies or tactics.
It is important to note that while he disliked the Terran Astartes, he was still disgusted at Horus's callous sacrifice of them at Gate 42. He also didn't immediately send them off to die in the depths of space, they had time together as father and sons which obviously didn't work out. We don't really know much about Corax or his feelings towards the Imperium and it currently sits as a contradiction between his philosophy of being a liberator and peace bringer, yet the Imperium is a bastion of slavery in almost every facet of its existence even during the Crusade-era.
If you really think about it, what is easier? Telling thousands of Astartes their methods of war are wrong and they need to adapt to the new order, or just telling them to go do whatever they do just over there away from you and the Astartes that are a part of the new order? Terrans never melded well with those of their Primarchs homeworlds and there was almost always resentment between the two groups, the Terrans feeling usurped and discarded, and the new breed feeling judged and unworthy. Very few Legions overcame this problem and Corax could have seen this and decided exile was easier than conflict within his forces.

Wasn't slavery a big issue in the exile of the Terran RG? Corax lead a slave uprising on his homeworld, and the Terran RG had actually taken slaves from a world(s) they brought into compliance?

beast_gts wrote:
Yep - more bad parenting.

Corax’s coldness to the Terran contingent of the legion who had grown close with Horus/the Luna Wolves is a factor in why the legion remained loyal during the heresy, culminating in them basically getting wiped out during the Battle of Gate 42 where they fought alongside the Luna Wolves, Iron Warriors and Space Wolves. This basically removed any influence Horus had over the legion. It might be ‘bad parenting’ on a personal level, but in the long run might have been a good thing.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battle_of_Gate_Forty-Two

beast_gts wrote:
I don't disagree Gert, but I think 'sending away' your elite troops because you find their methods 'distasteful' was a mistake.

Scattering the Terrans to the four winds did give us the Carcharodons though, which are a definite silver lining.

 Soundtheory wrote:
Wasn't slavery a big issue in the exile of the Terran RG? Corax lead a slave uprising on his homeworld, and the Terran RG had actually taken slaves from a world(s) they brought into compliance?

It was more the tactics the Terrans favoured. They were very similar to that of the Night Lords and echoed the same tactics of the forces that Corax had fought to overthrow on Deliverance. It wasn't so much the slavery but rather the brutal oppression, terror warfare and extreme violence towards pretty much everyone. Corax was very much pro-not killing innocent civilians and the Terrans were the opposite.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Scattering the Terrans to the four winds did give us the Carcharodons though, which are a definite silver lining.

And the Ashen Claws.

I still don't understand why IW didn't get (haven't yet got) a legion specific breacher or destroyer squad - as that would suit them perfectly.

Infantry heavy weapons just doesn't fit with the whole siege-warfare thing they have going IMO.

 Boringstuff wrote:
I still don't understand why IW didn't get (haven't yet got) a legion specific breacher or destroyer squad - as that would suit them perfectly.

Infantry heavy weapons just doesn't fit with the whole siege-warfare thing they have going IMO.

Because IW are the red-headed stepchild of the Horus Heresy line - they don't even have an unique Praetor.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Boringstuff wrote:
I still don't understand why IW didn't get (haven't yet got) a legion specific breacher or destroyer squad - as that would suit them perfectly.

Infantry heavy weapons just doesn't fit with the whole siege-warfare thing they have going IMO.

Because IW are the red-headed stepchild of the Horus Heresy line - they don't even have an unique Praetor.

Even their Primarch is just Dorn crossed with Ferrus but bitter.

Seriously though, maybe with plastics we'll see things get a bit more love.