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That mohawk head is pretty great.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I love it, that mustache is spectacular.

I honestly don't get people who look at these minis and complain about them.

I know right? It’s almost as if different people like different things …

More like some people are contrarians and/or killjoys who actively look for things to complain about, or just straight up forget about the "different people" bit entirely and nitpick minor details on the "trees" which are not to their specific personal liking instead of appreciating the "forest" for what it is - with the implication being that if it doesn't check all the boxes in terms of their own personal tastes and preferences then it must be utter gak.

Take a look through the comments, theres a fine difference between "I'm not a fan"/subjective phrasing used by some, and "this is absolute gak"/objective phrasing used by others. "Whose idea was it to give the helmetless version a mohawk????" (for example) - Why, probably someone who thought it looked cool, like I do. But I note you aren't calling *them* to task over a pretty objective statement that a thing that some people like must be bad. Funny that.

JWBS wrote:
That mohawk head is pretty great.

I think the head itself is good. It's just the mohawk bit that looks really strange. We haven't had anything like that before (that I know of) in 40k, and since they market it as as "generic" praetor, it seems a weird choice for someone who runs Night Lords, or Iron Warriors, or Iron Hands. I said it on the previous page, but it looks like its something from AOS. The stormcast have a few bare heads that have weird mohawk/ponytails, so it's not my favorite thing to see added to a praetor

Obviously, it'll be easy enough to clip off, but its still a weird choice.

I don't like my Marines to be helmetless so I'm already biased.

The rest of the model though? Pretty decent overall, maybe even good. Not super blingy, has the ever rare "melee weapon on right arm", and the pose is pretty neutral.

 AdmiralRon wrote:
I'm planning on doing a headswap and possibly a different right arm, because my god that "holding the sword aloft" pose he has right now is awkward looking.

Agreed, I'm not liking that pose.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I love it, that mustache is spectacular.

I honestly don't get people who look at these minis and complain about them.

I know right? It’s almost as if different people like different things …

More like some people are contrarians and/or killjoys who actively look for things to complain about, or just straight up forget about the "different people" bit entirely and nitpick minor details on the "trees" which are not to their specific personal liking instead of appreciating the "forest" for what it is - with the implication being that if it doesn't check all the boxes in terms of their own personal tastes and preferences then it must be utter gak.

Take a look through the comments, theres a fine difference between "I'm not a fan"/subjective phrasing used by some, and "this is absolute gak"/objective phrasing used by others. "Whose idea was it to give the helmetless version a mohawk????" (for example) - Why, probably someone who thought it looked cool, like I do. But I note you aren't calling *them* to task over a pretty objective statement that a thing that some people like must be bad. Funny that.

I absolutely agree with everything you’ve said here … apart from the bit where you said you don’t get people who look at these minis and complain. You totally understand that there’s a wide range of reasons why somebody might say, “I don’t like this”, ranging from, this particular mini isn’t to their taste, to wanting to find something to criticise about every GW release because they have a pathological need to do so.

Yes, I’m totally with you in finding the contrarian knitpickers and the “objectively garbage” brigade utterly irritating. However, regardless of how annoyingly they might choose to voice their opinion, I don’t find it interesting to hear it.

As for your forest analogy, I think it’s perfectly understandable to like the forest but find fault with one tree. I absolutely adore the new mark vi’s. I might even be coming round to thinking that the SoH praetor is my favourite space marine mini GW has ever produced. I just don’t like the new guy though. If you like him, then that’s great.

Anyway, I’m genuinely sorry if I came across as having a go at you. It wasn’t my intention.

I almost sort of wish that they’d keep everything but the troops resin, because 99% of new players aren’t going to touch anything non plastic and skip out on all the insanely cool stuff 30k has to offer if you look at resin stuff.

Ya they totally nailed the 30k aesthetic again....

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
I almost sort of wish that they’d keep everything but the troops resin, because 99% of new players aren’t going to touch anything non plastic and skip out on all the insanely cool stuff 30k has to offer if you look at resin stuff.

Why you want the new players to skip 'the cool stuff'?

 Crablezworth wrote:
Ya they totally nailed the 30k aesthetic again....

… I now want to go buy those original praetors

Edit: and won’t you believe it, they’re temporarily out of stock!

I'm quite glad to say I don't like any of the two, so that's one reason less to buy a release box.

Additionally, if this model's head:



...is the same size as this model's head:



...whelp.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Ya they totally nailed the 30k aesthetic again....

Spoiler:

It's just the paintjob, y'know? If you wanna drown out all the details, you're more than welcome to smother him in an entire pot of a wash, and you'll get your aesthetic right back.

And if it's not just the paintjob, then do say, what exactly changed about the aesthetic? They both look like blokes in fancy power armour.

I, for one, welcome our new Sigmarine 30k overlords!


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 zedmeister wrote:


… I now want to go buy those original praetors

Edit: and won’t you believe it, they’re temporarily out of stock!

The original terminator one is still one of my favorite models in the entire line with a great balance of practical and bling IMO.

You know there's this magical thing you can do where you just don't buy the model? Amazing right? You can just not do it. It's that easy! Hell, you could even buy an entirely different model to use as your Praetor. There is literally nothing stopping you from buying what you want to buy. Stop being prats and whinging that new players aren't going to cake their models in 200 layers of FW weathering powders because a lot of us never did.

 warboss wrote:
The original terminator one is still one of my favorite models in the entire line with a great balance of practical and bling IMO.

Definitely. The more I look at the new plastics versus the old resin ones, the more I come to realise the understated but more æstheticly pleasing look of the originals.


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 Gert wrote:
You know there's this magical thing you can do where you just don't buy the model? Amazing right? You can just not do it. It's that easy! Hell, you could even buy an entirely different model to use as your Praetor. There is literally nothing stopping you from buying what you want to buy. Stop being prats and whinging that new players aren't going to cake their models in 200 layers of FW weathering powders because a lot of us never did.

Heaven forbid people voice their preferences or opinions…

 Gert wrote:
You know there's this magical thing you can do where you just don't buy the model? Amazing right? You can just not do it. It's that easy! Hell, you could even buy an entirely different model to use as your Praetor. There is literally nothing stopping you from buying what you want to buy. Stop being prats and whinging that new players aren't going to cake their models in 200 layers of FW weathering powders because a lot of us never did.

I recommend you start a blog. If you do, then and only then do you actually have the right to dictate what constitutes wrongthink on a discussion forum. Or just tweet your thoughts instead and just wait with baited breath to block.

 zedmeister wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The original terminator one is still one of my favorite models in the entire line with a great balance of practical and bling IMO.

Definitely. The more I look at the new plastics versus the old resin ones, the more I come to realise the understated but more æstheticly pleasing look of the originals.


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 Gert wrote:
You know there's this magical thing you can do where you just don't buy the model? Amazing right? You can just not do it. It's that easy! Hell, you could even buy an entirely different model to use as your Praetor. There is literally nothing stopping you from buying what you want to buy. Stop being prats and whinging that new players aren't going to cake their models in 200 layers of FW weathering powders because a lot of us never did.

Heaven forbid people voice their preferences or opinions…

Heaven forbid people to both not buy a thing and comment about it!

Also, yes, a lot of times, less is more.

 zedmeister wrote:
Heaven forbid people voice their preferences or opinions…

My opinion is you are all whinging. Is my opinion not allowed because I called you a whinger?

I didn't see you guys dogpiling Wha-Mu even though they did the same thing I did.

All this talk about aesthetic and GW ruining HH so they can get new people to buy-in is just pathetic. There is no aesthetic because people have always painted/converted their models how they wanted. Some people use edge highlights, some people use weathering powders, some people use oils, some people use Contrast, and some people just slap on a wash and call it a day. FW isn't even consistent with how the product images are painted on their own website. Pretending that GW is ruining HH because marketing images promote one style of painting or because of fancy models when HH has had fancy models from day one is just stupid.

Can't say I really like the look of the Imperial Fist Praetor. Not a huge fan of the heads (the helmet looks a bit small on the miniature, and I don't really like the crest on the unhelmeted head - though with some clipping off, I really like the face/facial hair), and the pose with the sword and volkite seems a bit off to me. That said I think a little bit of knife work and and some green stuff/a head swap could fix my issues with it.

I wasn't initially a big fan of the SoH one either, and then I saw someone on Bolter and Chainsword swap with head with a MKIII Salamander head, clip off the trophy rack, and change the paint to a Salamander scheme in some program, and I thought it looked fantastic. Think the SoH one with a different head and no trophy rack is a pretty great mini.

 Gert wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Heaven forbid people voice their preferences or opinions…

My opinion is you are all whinging. Is my opinion not allowed because I called you a whinger?

I didn't see you guys dogpiling Wha-Mu even though they did the same thing I did.

All this talk about aesthetic and GW ruining HH so they can get new people to buy-in is just pathetic. There is no aesthetic because people have always painted/converted their models how they wanted. Some people use edge highlights, some people use weathering powders, some people use oils, some people use Contrast, and some people just slap on a wash and call it a day. FW isn't even consistent with how the product images are painted on their own website. Pretending that GW is ruining HH because marketing images promote one style of painting or that there are fancy models when HH has had fancy models from day one is just stupid.

Well that's obviously because they all have me on ignore by now.

 Gert wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Heaven forbid people voice their preferences or opinions…

My opinion is you are all whinging. Is my opinion not allowed because I called you a whinger?

I didn't see you guys dogpiling Wha-Mu even though they did the same thing I did.

All this talk about aesthetic and GW ruining HH so they can get new people to buy-in is just pathetic. There is no aesthetic because people have always painted/converted their models how they wanted. Some people use edge highlights, some people use weathering powders, some people use oils, some people use Contrast, and some people just slap on a wash and call it a day. FW isn't even consistent with how the product images are painted on their own website. Pretending that GW is ruining HH because marketing images promote one style of painting or because of fancy models when HH has had fancy models from day one is just stupid.

Because your post came across as a response to a personal attack. If someone doesn't like a model, so be it. No need to whinge about it


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Well that's obviously because they all have me on ignore by now.

Nah, I just read it as sarcasm

Are people complaining that the new models are being painted in the 'Eavy Metal style instead of the grittier Forgeworld style?
Strange, I remember when people used to complain that the old models were painted in the grittier Forgeworld style instead of the 'Eavy Metal style.

 warboss wrote:
I, for one, welcome our new Sigmarine 30k overlords!


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 zedmeister wrote:


… I now want to go buy those original praetors

Edit: and won’t you believe it, they’re temporarily out of stock!

The original terminator one is still one of my favorite models in the entire line with a great balance of practical and bling IMO.

Love that model, and also a great example of less is more in terms of details and decorations. Had that model been designed now it'd be covered in stuff.


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 Gert wrote:
You know there's this magical thing you can do where you just don't buy the model? Amazing right? You can just not do it. It's that easy! Hell, you could even buy an entirely different model to use as your Praetor. There is literally nothing stopping you from buying what you want to buy. Stop being prats and whinging that new players aren't going to cake their models in 200 layers of FW weathering powders because a lot of us never did.

I find the best way to show people I'm not upset it to get really passive aggressive

People proving the stereotype of a HH player being a miserable troll who gatekeeps paint jobs tends to do that, yeah.

 Gert wrote:
People proving the stereotype of a HH player being a miserable troll who gatekeeps paint jobs tends to do that, yeah.

Are you familiar with the psychological concept of projection?

Something about the IF praetor looks off to me, beyond the head (since I'm looking at the helmet version). I think I'm so used to weird, stunty GW proportions that a more reasonably scaled model looks off. His arms look thinner though that may be due to him having extra thicc shoulder pads. Not that correct scaling is a bad thing, the sword arm really stands out to me though

What I miss is the lack of alternative paintjobs for those Praetors as we got for the Mk6 Tactical Squad.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Are people complaining that the new models are being painted in the 'Eavy Metal style instead of the grittier Forgeworld style?
Strange, I remember when people used to complain that the old models were painted in the grittier Forgeworld style instead of the 'Eavy Metal style.

Can remember that some folks complainted that the FW HH paint jobs are bland and lazy and that the Eavy Metal style is so much better...

 GaroRobe wrote:
Something about the IF praetor looks off to me, beyond the head (since I'm looking at the helmet version). I think I'm so used to weird, stunty GW proportions that a more reasonably scaled model looks off. His arms look thinner though that may be due to him having extra thicc shoulder pads. Not that correct scaling is a bad thing, the sword arm really stands out to me though

It's possibly the angle, it looked less bad head on, but I think part of it too is the pose is just weird.

 Gert wrote:
People proving the stereotype of a HH player being a miserable troll who gatekeeps paint jobs tends to do that, yeah.

If you don't like people painting their own models their own way using certain techniques or painting styles, so be it. No need to whinge about it

On a more serious note, for the past 10 years of Heresy players have stylistically taken on the more battle damaged worn look. That means painting techniques involving oil or enamel washes, chipping and battle damaged. If you have a problem with that, then that's your problem.

For me the pose looks like it was designed before the "tactical rock" was added and would work better when slightly turned or with the rock on the other feet.