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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Dude collabed with Arch post Arch's bigotry being publically dragged out for everyone to see. Sorry, but birds of a feather and all that.

You sound like the people who spent ages trying to cancel Tex from the Black Pants Legion after he did a BattleTech video with Arch.

I swear any second now someone is going to seriously post "fun is just a buzzword" about people who dare to enjoy things.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Dude collabed with Arch post Arch's bigotry being publically dragged out for everyone to see. Sorry, but birds of a feather and all that.

You sound like the people who spent ages trying to cancel Tex from the Black Pants Legion after he did a BattleTech video with Arch.

Funny, you sound like you're just making excuses. TOC wasn't from outside the Warhammer Community so there is little to no chance he was unaware as the Battletech person was.

Even if you want to handwave that off, I don't see the value in following any content creators who accuse anyone who has a postive opinion as "shills" and claims to be an objective arbitrator of what is Warhammer.

never like, never subscribe, that's how I always prefer my Youtube content. Most of these tubers' content just isnt noteworthy and smells of a need for being spammy and argumentative for ego reasons.

No One Important wrote:
I swear any second now someone is going to seriously post "fun is just a buzzword" about people who dare to enjoy things.

Well, I'm not going to anymore, if you're going to be a killjoy about it, sheesh. I had already registered funisoverrated.com and everything...

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Dude collabed with Arch post Arch's bigotry being publically dragged out for everyone to see. Sorry, but birds of a feather and all that.

You sound like the people who spent ages trying to cancel Tex from the Black Pants Legion after he did a BattleTech video with Arch.

Funny, you sound like you're just making excuses. TOC wasn't from outside the Warhammer Community so there is little to no chance he was unaware as the Battletech person was.

Even if you want to handwave that off, I don't see the value in following any content creators who accuse anyone who has a postive opinion as "shills" and claims to be an objective arbitrator of what is Warhammer.

Is anyone asking you to follow their content? Simply posting an on topic video link doesn't do that. You're not even obligated to give it a view.


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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:


Call me even crazier, but hear me out …

… what if we’re both right?!?!

But that would mean that the people complaining about models and the people complaining about people complaining about models (and peripherally related content creators verboten by association as per Designated Hate Directive 291.65.17) have something else in common! Besides complaining of course. It's almost like we all came to this forum for the same reasons. Weird!

To try and redirect the conversation…

Forgeworld ran heresy felt massively different from 40k stuff, which for me personally was a large part of the appeal. Since 8th dropped it had a different rule set, it’s different lore as well.
An even bigger part is the aesthetic. It’s grungier and simpler, most things feel more practical and less zany, which isn’t bad, I appreciate it in my 40k but not really in heresy. The new praetors and to an extent the mk6 with their vox, it just feels entirely different from the Horus heresy that was seperate from 40k. The original praetors feel like soldiers with slightly fancier armor and some nice gear, I like that. I don’t want each one to be this insane shambling pile of medals trophy racks and skull mounted plumes, more is less.

My answer to the Praetors bling level would be to stick with the existing FW Praetors (who don't seem to be going anywhere) or to kitbash your own.

I don't think the base MkVI is too much as it's pretty empty to allow people room for stuff like icons or freehand, but I'm sure someone will find something about it they don't like.

Honestly I'm still looking more at MkIV but that might be because Word Bearers and Night Lords both have more models in MkIV than anything else.

 Crablezworth wrote:


Decent video on the current topic

Spoiler:

Thanks for the link and I finally got the chance to watch it. He does a good and fair reasoned approach to analyzing the reception to the model and, while I had jumped to the AOS/40k stylistic connections, I hadn't thought of Blanche. I do see the influence in the new praetor designs and I wonder if the polarizing thoughts on Blanche's early RT concept art line up with opinions on these new praetors more than just plain coincidence would indicate.


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 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
To try and redirect the conversation…

Forgeworld ran heresy felt massively different from 40k stuff, which for me personally was a large part of the appeal. Since 8th dropped it had a different rule set, it’s different lore as well.
An even bigger part is the aesthetic. It’s grungier and simpler, most things feel more practical and less zany, which isn’t bad, I appreciate it in my 40k but not really in heresy. The new praetors and to an extent the mk6 with their vox, it just feels entirely different from the Horus heresy that was seperate from 40k. The original praetors feel like soldiers with slightly fancier armor and some nice gear, I like that. I don’t want each one to be this insane shambling pile of medals trophy racks and skull mounted plumes, more is less.

Some good points. To add to what I previously posted above a second ago, what are your thoughts on Blanche style asthetics in 40k models?

Boy can't wait to see how much those abominations will be selling for on Ebay. "$5 free shipping please take it"

A lot of people here are unable to see beyond the exact presentation GW has chosen for these models. I expect that a lot of the haters will end up liking them once they'll see people doing some minor conversions and different paintjobs. There is nothing fundamentally different in the base models compared to FW marine characters beyond these having slightly better proportions.

I have a large blood angels force collected since the heresy started, and all the black books.
I have never played a game.
This is a passion project, returning to my original army in RT era 1990.

For the new release.
I will not be buying infantry, wrong scale.
I may buy vehicles but it depends if they change the scale or style on them as well.

The style of the praetors does not match anything that has come before and they are in no way shape or form ‘generic’, where 1-2 add ons/conversions/bits and they could fit in any legion.

But I and I feel, the rest of current heresy players and collectors are in no way shape or form, who GW is aiming to sell any future models to.

Keep the scale the same, tone down the characters. I, and most current heresy devotees would have been buying multiples of the new box set.

Eh. The plastic Mk.4 models from BaC were clearly chunkier than the FW resin version. People got over whatever scale purity they had just fine.

Why did both of these praetors require a tactical rock? For feth sake its so damn tacky. They literally cannot make a character without slapping one needlessly under their feet. I'm so over GW designers.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Why did both of these praetors require a tactical rock? For feth sake its so damn tacky. They literally cannot make a character without slapping one needlessly under their feet. I'm so over GW designers.

Just replace it with a tactical corpse.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:


The style of the praetors does not match anything that has come before and they are in no way shape or form ‘generic’, where 1-2 add ons/conversions/bits and they could fit in any legion.

The proportions and ostentatious decor of the leaked Emperor's Children praetor that is supposedly also generic seem to indicate further deviation from classic Horus Heresy as further characters are released.

I thought Space Wolves were the ones with a fat Astartes.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Why did both of these praetors require a tactical rock? For feth sake its so damn tacky. They literally cannot make a character without slapping one needlessly under their feet. I'm so over GW designers.

Because tactical rocks make the model more Warhammer!

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
To try and redirect the conversation…

Forgeworld ran heresy felt massively different from 40k stuff, which for me personally was a large part of the appeal. Since 8th dropped it had a different rule set, it’s different lore as well.
An even bigger part is the aesthetic. It’s grungier and simpler, most things feel more practical and less zany, which isn’t bad, I appreciate it in my 40k but not really in heresy. The new praetors and to an extent the mk6 with their vox, it just feels entirely different from the Horus heresy that was seperate from 40k. The original praetors feel like soldiers with slightly fancier armor and some nice gear, I like that. I don’t want each one to be this insane shambling pile of medals trophy racks and skull mounted plumes, more is less.

Are we looking at the same models? The FW stuff is brimming with little bits and tassels. Constantin Valdor is so over designed that he put's recent 40K models to shame.

 Togusa wrote:

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
To try and redirect the conversation…

Forgeworld ran heresy felt massively different from 40k stuff, which for me personally was a large part of the appeal. Since 8th dropped it had a different rule set, it’s different lore as well.
An even bigger part is the aesthetic. It’s grungier and simpler, most things feel more practical and less zany, which isn’t bad, I appreciate it in my 40k but not really in heresy. The new praetors and to an extent the mk6 with their vox, it just feels entirely different from the Horus heresy that was seperate from 40k. The original praetors feel like soldiers with slightly fancier armor and some nice gear, I like that. I don’t want each one to be this insane shambling pile of medals trophy racks and skull mounted plumes, more is less.

Are we looking at the same models? The FW stuff is brimming with little bits and tassels. Constantin Valdor is so over designed that he put's recent 40K models to shame.

Constantine Valdor, the Captain General of the Custodian Guard (the Emperor's personal guard). Next example, that isn't one of the most important members of the Imperium or a Primarch?

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
To try and redirect the conversation…

Forgeworld ran heresy felt massively different from 40k stuff, which for me personally was a large part of the appeal. Since 8th dropped it had a different rule set, it’s different lore as well.
An even bigger part is the aesthetic. It’s grungier and simpler, most things feel more practical and less zany, which isn’t bad, I appreciate it in my 40k but not really in heresy. The new praetors and to an extent the mk6 with their vox, it just feels entirely different from the Horus heresy that was seperate from 40k. The original praetors feel like soldiers with slightly fancier armor and some nice gear, I like that. I don’t want each one to be this insane shambling pile of medals trophy racks and skull mounted plumes, more is less.

Are we looking at the same models? The FW stuff is brimming with little bits and tassels. Constantin Valdor is so over designed that he put's recent 40K models to shame.

Constantine Valdor, the Captain General of the Custodian Guard (the Emperor's personal guard). Next example, that isn't one of the most important members of the Imperium or a Primarch?

I mean Praetors are the top of the top of the Legion. They are not far down the pecking order. They have access to the best armour the legion can make, to their own specifications. And I’m sure some of them were gaudy as hell.

I’m not particularly keen on either of the new models, but I like a lot of the parts of them. They might not work for every legion, or the standard idea for every legion, but I don’t think the original resin ones did either. The power armour guy looks great as a Death Guard, but he doesn’t fit my idea of an Emperors Children praetor particularly well.

It’s a crying shame there aren’t many Space Marine models available so people can convert their own characters. Everyone is 100% forced to use a model they don’t like and post an essay about it online. Tragic. If only there were other choices…

This thread is absolutely peak clown world.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
It’s a crying shame there aren’t many Space Marine models available so people can convert their own characters. Everyone is 100% forced to use a model they don’t like and post an essay about it online. Tragic. If only there were other choices…

To the first part, I guess it's a good thing nobody has said that, then . I mean, other than the quoted post.

To the second: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/discussion-forum

 Lord Damocles wrote:
This thread is absolutely peak clown world.

Harlequin meta so strong GW need to nerf clowns in the 30k thread too

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
To try and redirect the conversation…

Forgeworld ran heresy felt massively different from 40k stuff, which for me personally was a large part of the appeal. Since 8th dropped it had a different rule set, it’s different lore as well.
An even bigger part is the aesthetic. It’s grungier and simpler, most things feel more practical and less zany, which isn’t bad, I appreciate it in my 40k but not really in heresy. The new praetors and to an extent the mk6 with their vox, it just feels entirely different from the Horus heresy that was seperate from 40k. The original praetors feel like soldiers with slightly fancier armor and some nice gear, I like that. I don’t want each one to be this insane shambling pile of medals trophy racks and skull mounted plumes, more is less.

Are we looking at the same models? The FW stuff is brimming with little bits and tassels. Constantin Valdor is so over designed that he put's recent 40K models to shame.

Constantine Valdor, the Captain General of the Custodian Guard (the Emperor's personal guard). Next example, that isn't one of the most important members of the Imperium or a Primarch?

I’ll give you two.

How about the Thousand Sons praetor that’s smothered in bling

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Thousand-Sons-Legion-Praetor-2017

or the Solar Auxilia command group, dripping with tassels and shiny buttons

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Solar-Auxilia-Tactical-Command

Both of these are of identical or similar rank and status to the two new plastic praetors. I suppose the real point is, there’s real variety in the range and if you want to try to prove everything looks a certain way (it doesn’t) then you can cherry pick examples that fit your idea of what the Horus Heresy should look like.

 warboss wrote:

The proportions and ostentatious decor of the leaked Emperor's Children praetor that is supposedly also generic seem to indicate further deviation from classic Horus Heresy as further characters are released.

Spoiler:

Classic HH being exactly the same where some models had legs as thin as arms and others were taller than regular 40k Tacticals.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
To try and redirect the conversation…

Forgeworld ran heresy felt massively different from 40k stuff, which for me personally was a large part of the appeal. Since 8th dropped it had a different rule set, it’s different lore as well.
An even bigger part is the aesthetic. It’s grungier and simpler, most things feel more practical and less zany, which isn’t bad, I appreciate it in my 40k but not really in heresy. The new praetors and to an extent the mk6 with their vox, it just feels entirely different from the Horus heresy that was seperate from 40k. The original praetors feel like soldiers with slightly fancier armor and some nice gear, I like that. I don’t want each one to be this insane shambling pile of medals trophy racks and skull mounted plumes, more is less.

Are we looking at the same models? The FW stuff is brimming with little bits and tassels. Constantin Valdor is so over designed that he put's recent 40K models to shame.

Constantine Valdor, the Captain General of the Custodian Guard (the Emperor's personal guard). Next example, that isn't one of the most important members of the Imperium or a Primarch?

I’ll give you two.

How about the Thousand Sons praetor that’s smothered in bling

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Thousand-Sons-Legion-Praetor-2017

or the Solar Auxilia command group, dripping with tassels and shiny buttons

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Solar-Auxilia-Tactical-Command

Both of these are of identical or similar rank and status to the two new plastic praetors. I suppose the real point is, there’s real variety in the range and if you want to try to prove everything looks a certain way (it doesn’t) then you can cherry pick examples that fit your idea of what the Horus Heresy should look like.

Really, any of the praetor models besides the original 2 pack are equal or more ornate than these plastic ones. I think a bit of the oditity of the plastic o es is that they are generic in the sense that they lack legion specific icons, but have design language that doesn't seem to match the legions they are painted as. The Imperial fist praetor would fit much more naturally in White Scars or Emperors Children colors, while the axe praetor is decent as a Son of Horus it is almost meant to be a Death Guard model. Iron Hands would suit it pretty well too.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Ya they totally nailed the 30k aesthetic again....

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Mate, sorry but that's more than a bit reaching, you don't get to stand it next to a dour, minimalist DG bloke and say it's not the Heresy aesthetic if you can't also imagine it metallic purple and marching in the EC, cos that was the first thing I saw when I saw this model unveiled. Or in the pseudoRoman Ultramarines blue, crisp white and gold of the Heresy. They are equally 'Heresy' and equally it's aesthetic.




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 Arbitrator wrote:

Endless white knighting around GW's products started making a lot more sense when you realise how many people involved in the hobby now also have shares in GW. Toxic positivity and white knighting are probably seen as protecting their investments, rather than as blind fanboyism.

Either this is a masterclass s**tpost or you need to take a really long look at how you process information in your day to day reasoning.


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 Crablezworth wrote:



Decent video on the current topic

Macca of the Outer Circle is beyond comedy in his videos these days. The cause is well known, he's realized posting inflammatory, ranting, whinging nonsense generates views, comments and links all over the place, which feeds him more money, so, like some Alex Jones of Heresy, he posts daily diatribe to whip up conflict and when actually called on it, as he was recently, he then feigns offense and upset and posts again about how he's definitely not a whinger and would like to complain to the world about how much he isn't a whinger...

He's a gravity well of despair, naysaying and nitpicking, he's the Eeyore of Heresy content contributors and most of the rest have realized and ditched him.

Yeah so I don't think Reddit's optimism cult is anything to do with shares or whatever, but simply due to the fact a vast majority of the population has a verifiable optimism bias which is then combined with reddit's ghoulish, cult of grinning martyrs culture which promotes "let people enjoy things" to ridiculous extremes.