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One thing I’ve never understood about the Horus Heresy, why isn’t the Egyptian themed legion the one with the Primarch named after an Egyptian god?
Anyway, the Spartan looks like a really nice kit. It makes me wonder if GW are going to reconsider their position on Primaris transports. I reckon they’d sell at least twice as many Spartans if Primaris could also use them in 40K.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: One thing I’ve never understood about the Horus Heresy, why isn’t the Egyptian themed legion the one with the Primarch named after an Egyptian god?
I dunno, why is one of the most important people in it named after a Zoroastrian demon?
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MonkeyBallistic wrote: One thing I’ve never understood about the Horus Heresy, why isn’t the Egyptian themed legion the one with the Primarch named after an Egyptian god?
Horus was named long before the Thousand Sons were ancient Egyptian themed.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: One thing I’ve never understood about the Horus Heresy, why isn’t the Egyptian themed legion the one with the Primarch named after an Egyptian god?
That's like asking why the final legion was called Alpha!
Actually, the Alpha Legion took the name in opposition to a jesting insult from Guilliman that the XXth should be named the Omega Legion since they were the last Legion and Alpharius/Omegon were the last Primarchs to be (publicly) found. Alpharius and Guilliman, shockingly, didn't get along after that.
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Gert wrote: Actually, the Alpha Legion took the name in opposition to a jesting insult from Guilliman that the XXth should be named the Omega Legion since they were the last Legion and Alpharius/Omegon were the last Primarchs to be (publicly) found. Alpharius and Guilliman, shockingly, didn't get along after that.
That's a pretty random retcon, considering the Alpha Legion was named before Roboute or Alpharius (let alone Omegon) existed
Voss wrote: That's a pretty random retcon, considering the Alpha Legion was named before Roboute or Alpharius (let alone Omegon) existed
Everything that has been added since Rogue Trader could be considered a random retcon. It seems to have disappeared from the Legion and Primarch pages on Lex so maybe I'm misremembering.
That being said, the bigger "retcon" would be that
Spoiler:
Alpharius was with the XXth from very early in the Crusade and it was Omegon that Horus encountered as the last Primarch.
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Eh. The problem with those two (and their major captains) is they're so interchangeable that it doesn't matter which one is which, or what their status is.
They lean into horribly insulting twin thing (where they're treated as the same person) so hard that it doesn't matter.
Voss wrote: That's a pretty random retcon, considering the Alpha Legion was named before Roboute or Alpharius (let alone Omegon) existed
Everything that has been added since Rogue Trader could be considered a random retcon. It seems to have disappeared from the Legion and Primarch pages on Lex so maybe I'm misremembering.
That being said, the bigger "retcon" would be that
Spoiler:
Alpharius was with the XXth from very early in the Crusade and it was Omegon that Horus encountered as the last Primarch.
The validity of that bigger retcon is pretty shakey. It boils down to how much faith you put in the narrator
MonkeyBallistic wrote: One thing I’ve never understood about the Horus Heresy, why isn’t the Egyptian themed legion the one with the Primarch named after an Egyptian god?
Anyway, the Spartan looks like a really nice kit. It makes me wonder if GW are going to reconsider their position on Primaris transports. I reckon they’d sell at least twice as many Spartans if Primaris could also use them in 40K.
Because these are esoteric references to ancient cultures fractured by time and space.
Gert wrote: Actually, the Alpha Legion took the name in opposition to a jesting insult from Guilliman that the XXth should be named the Omega Legion since they were the last Legion and Alpharius/Omegon were the last Primarchs to be (publicly) found. Alpharius and Guilliman, shockingly, didn't get along after that.
So were the Legions all only named after re-uniting with their primarchs? Having two different pairs of primarchs liking to individually associate themselves with angels and wolves is interesting.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: One thing I’ve never understood about the Horus Heresy, why isn’t the Egyptian themed legion the one with the Primarch named after an Egyptian god?
Anyway, the Spartan looks like a really nice kit. It makes me wonder if GW are going to reconsider their position on Primaris transports. I reckon they’d sell at least twice as many Spartans if Primaris could also use them in 40K.
Because these are esoteric references to ancient cultures fractured by time and space.
Because they were named by game designers that thought the words sounded cool, back before google was around for quick and superficial research.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: One thing I’ve never understood about the Horus Heresy, why isn’t the Egyptian themed legion the one with the Primarch named after an Egyptian god?
Anyway, the Spartan looks like a really nice kit. It makes me wonder if GW are going to reconsider their position on Primaris transports. I reckon they’d sell at least twice as many Spartans if Primaris could also use them in 40K.
Because these are esoteric references to ancient cultures fractured by time and space.
Because they were named by game designers that thought the words sounded cool, back before google was around for quick and superficial research.
Gert wrote: Actually, the Alpha Legion took the name in opposition to a jesting insult from Guilliman that the XXth should be named the Omega Legion since they were the last Legion and Alpharius/Omegon were the last Primarchs to be (publicly) found. Alpharius and Guilliman, shockingly, didn't get along after that.
So were the Legions all only named after re-uniting with their primarchs? Having two different pairs of primarchs liking to individually associate themselves with angels and wolves is interesting.
Not at all. Legion/Chapter (and yes, those were interchangeable terms) names were a list (or, actually, an art spread of color schemes). Well, two lists. Loyalists and Traitors. Seven of the traitor legions were created as a group for the first Realm of Chaos book (TS and DG were added in the second, and I'm pretty sure weren't named in the first)
Primarchs were added to the background later.
In a few cases an 'original name' was added to the legion even later.
Most (not RG, IF or Sallies) of what were dubbed the 'First Founding' chapters were in the RT book as sample color schemes. Though that term wasn't used at the time, and other rulebooks (notably Warhammer Siege) explicitly labelled the ultramarines as a later chapter that had to prove itself by winning the Battle of Macragge against the Tyranids (at which point they were granted the world)
GW just picked the known chapters they liked, and rationalizations came later.
So were the Legions all only named after re-uniting with their primarchs? Having two different pairs of primarchs liking to individually associate themselves with angels and wolves is interesting.
Some of the Legions earned names before finding their Primarchs such as the Luna Wolves or the pre-Manus Xth the Stormwalkers. Most were just referred to as *Numeral* Legion. When they were reunited with their Primarchs all of the Legions got a name be it their first or a new name connected to their Primarch or new homeworld. That being said it was still common for the Legions to be referred to by their numeral rather than name.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: One thing I’ve never understood about the Horus Heresy, why isn’t the Egyptian themed legion the one with the Primarch named after an Egyptian god?
Anyway, the Spartan looks like a really nice kit. It makes me wonder if GW are going to reconsider their position on Primaris transports. I reckon they’d sell at least twice as many Spartans if Primaris could also use them in 40K.
Because these are esoteric references to ancient cultures fractured by time and space.
I like this answer. I always enjoy the little references to lost knowledge. There’s great little line in one of the black books about tigers being a mythical monster from ancient Terran legend.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: I like this answer. I always enjoy the little references to lost knowledge. There’s great little line in one of the black books about tigers being a mythical monster from ancient Terran legend.
In Book I Betrayal there is a refference that the emperor readed books like "De bello Gallico" and "New Model Army" which influenced him how to build up the Space Marine Legions.
So were the Legions all only named after re-uniting with their primarchs? Having two different pairs of primarchs liking to individually associate themselves with angels and wolves is interesting.
Some of the Legions earned names before finding their Primarchs such as the Luna Wolves or the pre-Manus Xth the Stormwalkers. Most were just referred to as *Numeral* Legion. When they were reunited with their Primarchs all of the Legions got a name be it their first or a new name connected to their Primarch or new homeworld. That being said it was still common for the Legions to be referred to by their numeral rather than name.
and as I know the Space Wolves (and Word Bearers?) maintained the orignal color scheme of the Legiones Astartes when they had only numeral "names" and worn all grey power armours?
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MonkeyBallistic wrote: One thing I’ve never understood about the Horus Heresy, why isn’t the Egyptian themed legion the one with the Primarch named after an Egyptian god?
Anyway, the Spartan looks like a really nice kit. It makes me wonder if GW are going to reconsider their position on Primaris transports. I reckon they’d sell at least twice as many Spartans if Primaris could also use them in 40K.
Because these are esoteric references to ancient cultures fractured by time and space.
I like this answer. I always enjoy the little references to lost knowledge. There’s great little line in one of the black books about tigers being a mythical monster from ancient Terran legend.
Also the bit where the Mechanicus think that miles were large insects that inhabited the deserts of ancient terra, based solely off the six-legged M.U.L.E. Transport chassis they derived their walking tanks from. They at least got the cantankerous and stubborn part right though.
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Loving these recent kit rumours! Caestus Assault Ram is such an iconic looking Marine transport, it goes perfectly together with how drop pods look. Happy to see it return.
And those mechanicum automata - dayum
Castaferrum Dreads tho?
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tauist wrote: Loving these recent kit rumours! Caestus Assault Ram is such an iconic looking Marine transport, it goes perfectly together with how drop pods look. Happy to see it return.
And those mechanicum automata - dayum
Castaferrum Dreads tho?
I agree, the Caestus is the best-looking Marine flyer to me. Neither the Stormraven, Stormtalon, or Xiphon never looked that good to me, but I love the Caestus enough to build my own after FW discontinued it. It was a real pain in the zogström, but the finished article was worth it.
The basic Castraferrum dreadnought is a fairly old and lame plastic kit (the Venerable is far better) and since HH is probably the only chance we have of getting an updated version, I welcome it heartily. Especially if it has more weapon options, including Mortis variants.
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tauist wrote: Loving these recent kit rumours! Caestus Assault Ram is such an iconic looking Marine transport, it goes perfectly together with how drop pods look. Happy to see it return.
And those mechanicum automata - dayum
Castaferrum Dreads tho?
I hope the Caestus returns, I printed 2 of them right before they were taken off.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
That's like a 40% discount on the individual kits.
So what you're saying is that they're leaving you with one testicle?
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