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 Gert wrote:
Hm. So no C-Beam, Volkite, Kheres Assault Cannon, Plasma Cannon, or Chainfist. Thanks, GW very cool.
It might just be the lack of colour breakup between the armour panels but that looks weirdly smooth.

4 different weapons and 4 hand weapon options, plus a carapace mount is pretty solid for a kit. It's more options than any current plastic dreadnought kit.

I think it looks great. Amazing that they actually plan out posable minis ahead of time. Imagine if they applied that level of thinking to their infantry rather than the jigsaw puzzle things we have currently.

And the Ironclad (remember that?) has a bunch of options as well.

 Gert wrote:
Hm. So no C-Beam, Volkite, Kheres Assault Cannon, Plasma Cannon, or Chainfist. Thanks, GW very cool.

No model. No rule.

Guess we can say good bye to those and the carapace cyclone.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
4 different weapons and 4 hand weapon options, plus a carapace mount is pretty solid for a kit. It's more options than any current plastic dreadnought kit.

When none of the signature weapon options of Heresy Era units are there, it lessens it a bit. These are all weapons that are very common in 40k but the more "advanced" weapons just aren't there at all.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No model. No rule.

Guess we can say good bye to those and the carapace cyclone.

Have to wait and see if that first part tracks because as has been pointed out numerous times, that policy doesn't fit with what has been shown in the rules leaks.
Also, HH Contemptors only ever had the Havoc Launcher as the carapace weapon, the Cyclone Missiles were a post-Heresy thing.

The Contemptor always had too many weapon variants to comfortably fit into a plastic kit (GW has never given us more than 3-4 per Dread, have they?). On the other hand, GW removed all the Contemptor parts from sale recently, so that's a pity.

I reckon we'll see a weapon expansion kit to go with it. After all, we've a pile of FW Contemptors now without arms.

I wasn't expecting *all* of the Contemptor weapons, just at least one that is common during the Heresy but not in 40k, like the Volkite Culverin or C-Beam. Hell, even the first version had the Kheres but this one doesn't?

Not gonna lie; between the land raider and the dread, I haven't been this inspired by Marines since my introduction to GW in '94.

It's getting harder to resist this box.

It will be interesting how much NMNR we see with FW legacy kits and resin production options. Also, we might keep access to the kheres due to it being on the old plastic kit. Which I expect will be replaced with this one.

They'll have to bring out some of the Contemptor weapon options, either in singles or an upgrade sprue. They're still selling the Legion specific Contemptors, which don't come with weapons. Unless they're expecting people to shell out for one of those and one of these just to get the weapons.......

 Gert wrote:
I wasn't expecting *all* of the Contemptor weapons, just at least one that is common during the Heresy but not in 40k, like the Volkite Culverin or C-Beam. Hell, even the first version had the Kheres but this one doesn't?

It's a bit bizarre from GW to make the model so "40k" instead of "30k" when it's a non-Primaris Marine unit, something they've all but stopped producing otherwise.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The Contemptor always had too many weapon variants to comfortably fit into a plastic kit (GW has never given us more than 3-4 per Dread, have they?). On the other hand, GW removed all the Contemptor parts from sale recently, so that's a pity.

Helbrute, aka Chaos Dreadnought has 5 options for the left arm and 5 options for the right arm and bolter/flamer options for the fists. It's totally monopose though.

Look like it had articulation and more weapon options, so better than the 1 sprue contemptor they made for the Calth box.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Gert wrote:
I wasn't expecting *all* of the Contemptor weapons, just at least one that is common during the Heresy but not in 40k, like the Volkite Culverin or C-Beam. Hell, even the first version had the Kheres but this one doesn't?

It's a bit bizarre from GW to make the model so "40k" instead of "30k" when it's a non-Primaris Marine unit, something they've all but stopped producing otherwise.

Well, Contemptors are in the loyalist codex, so I guess they expect this kit to pull double duty for 30k and 40k. For loyalist, anyways. No spikes means that the guys that they're actually calling "Legionaries" now will still be sticking with that one mail order only Mutant.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
It's a bit bizarre from GW to make the model so "40k" instead of "30k" when it's a non-Primaris Marine unit, something they've all but stopped producing otherwise.

It's very confusing because everything else so far has been very much in the "HH appropriate wargear" category, especially the Tacticals which have no Special or Heavies and the vox.

Well then. Sounds like it's decently posable. It's overdue since they could have had that years ago with the Calth Contemptor, but I guess better late than never.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Well, Contemptors are in the loyalist codex, so I guess they expect this kit to pull double duty for 30k and 40k. For loyalist, anyways. No spikes means that the guys that they're actually calling "Legionaries" now will still be sticking with that one mail order only Mutant.

Ah see but the Contemptor in the Custodes and Space Marine Codexes has the option of Multi-Melta, Kheres, and Fist with Stormbolter. This new one has more options that the unit can't take than can.

 Gert wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Well, Contemptors are in the loyalist codex, so I guess they expect this kit to pull double duty for 30k and 40k. For loyalist, anyways. No spikes means that the guys that they're actually calling "Legionaries" now will still be sticking with that one mail order only Mutant.

Ah see but the Contemptor in the Custodes and Space Marine Codexes has the option of Multi-Melta, Kheres, and Fist with Stormbolter. This new one has more options that the unit can't take than can.

Oh, I'm sure that Loyalist Scum 2.0 is right around the corner, they wouldn't want to leave CSM (or "Legionaries") with more base attacks and better leadership than Primaris for very long. And they'll be adding all of those new options in there when it happens. Probably Spartans too, since they're in plastic now. And they usually take care of the Golden Boys as well, probably in a PDF.

I'm sure us Chaos players will be able to take the new HH stuff as well, with an extra CP tax of course.

After all, the Legions having easier access to Heresy-level equipment is quite a difficult thing to justify, especially compared to modern 40k Chapters. Recent Chapter Foundings, especially those in the Primaris Age, are just more likely to have tons of old Heresy stuff lying around, and certainly more than, say, the Iron Warriors might have in their store houses.

Out of interest, when did the Calth plastic Contemptor come out – like five years ago? Wondering if this is the quickest a plastic kit's been retired/replaced, certainly in the last ten years or so – can anyone think of any other candidates?

 Nazrak wrote:
Out of interest, when did the Calth plastic Contemptor come out – like five years ago? Wondering if this is the quickest a plastic kit's been retired/replaced, certainly in the last ten years or so – can anyone think of any other candidates?

Seven (well, six and a half) - November 2015.


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 Gert wrote:
Hm. So no C-Beam, Volkite, Kheres Assault Cannon, Plasma Cannon, or Chainfist. Thanks, GW very cool.

The 'changed' weapon names matches the leaks, and those options are still in the leaks.

I don't doubt those options exist, I just would have liked to see at least one thing that shouts "Heresy" as a weapon option.

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 Nazrak wrote:
Out of interest, when did the Calth plastic Contemptor come out – like five years ago? Wondering if this is the quickest a plastic kit's been retired/replaced, certainly in the last ten years or so – can anyone think of any other candidates?

Seven (well, six and a half) - November 2015.

Oh wow, didn't realise it was quite that long. Still, that's a relatively short lifespan for a kit from entirely new to replaced, isn't it?

 Nazrak wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Out of interest, when did the Calth plastic Contemptor come out – like five years ago? Wondering if this is the quickest a plastic kit's been retired/replaced, certainly in the last ten years or so – can anyone think of any other candidates?

Seven (well, six and a half) - November 2015.

Oh wow, didn't realise it was quite that long. Still, that's a relatively short lifespan for a kit from entirely new to replaced, isn't it?

Eh, it was basically an Easy to Build kit that lacked the pegs to hold it together. Few tears will be shed for it's loss besides the kheres arm.

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon we'll see a weapon expansion kit to go with it. After all, we've a pile of FW Contemptors now without arms.

Hopefully they’ll have the body on one sprue and the weapons on a second. That way, like the armiger knights, GW can have kits for variants like the furioso or mortis.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Out of interest, when did the Calth plastic Contemptor come out – like five years ago? Wondering if this is the quickest a plastic kit's been retired/replaced, certainly in the last ten years or so – can anyone think of any other candidates?

Seven (well, six and a half) - November 2015.

Oh wow, didn't realise it was quite that long. Still, that's a relatively short lifespan for a kit from entirely new to replaced, isn't it?

Eh, it was basically an Easy to Build kit that lacked the pegs to hold it together. Few tears will be shed for it's loss besides the kheres arm.

Yeah I don’t know anyone that actually respected it as a kit. A nice base to cut up and convert for sure, but on its own? The whole 2-piece clamshell design with smudgy details on the sides was two or three compromises too far, especially for a kit you had to glue.

Is the old kit gone already? I don't see it on the US site

It is indeed gone. LCTB a few weeks ago I believe alongside the Calth hero box.

 Gert wrote:
I wasn't expecting *all* of the Contemptor weapons, just at least one that is common during the Heresy but not in 40k, like the Volkite Culverin or C-Beam. Hell, even the first version had the Kheres but this one doesn't?

I imagine they'll be in resin (new release) or a future upgrade kit because we have still all the legion specific dreadnoughts with no arm options.

But I will say that this confirms my suspicions about the HH from over four years ago.

Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero were soft test launches to see if there was enough interest in the game for general audiences. Those sets sold extremely well (I myself bought two Calth and four BoP) It seems like the idea is to get all the basic stuff into plastic, and then keep all of the bespoke stuff in FW for now. The starting point will be the plastic kits, and then you move over to FW for the legion specific stuff or for non-plastic factions such as SA, Custodes and so on. Actually, I'll be willing to bet that if this launch goes very well for them and given the buzz around discussions I'd say it will, plastic legion units and Primarchs are inevitable.


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 Nazrak wrote:
Out of interest, when did the Calth plastic Contemptor come out – like five years ago? Wondering if this is the quickest a plastic kit's been retired/replaced, certainly in the last ten years or so – can anyone think of any other candidates?

So that kit was extremely mono pose. Like, really badly. So much so I have a conspiracy theory that it was a super cheap test design thrown into the box as an afterthought, more than it was intended to be a real model for mass market appeal.

Sounds and looks like a real nice kit.

I wish they would have included pics with the various weapon options in place, though.

This box set is becoming more and more of a puzzle. Fairly limited marines, detailed vehicles and repackaged terminators?

 Gert wrote:
I wasn't expecting *all* of the Contemptor weapons, just at least one that is common during the Heresy but not in 40k, like the Volkite Culverin or C-Beam. Hell, even the first version had the Kheres but this one doesn't?

Gotta save something for the inevitable resin “upgrade kits” for the new bestest option.