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Voss wrote:
Sounds and looks like a real nice kit.

I wish they would have included pics with the various weapon options in place, though.

This box set is becoming more and more of a puzzle. Fairly limited marines, detailed vehicles and repackaged terminators?

I think the idea is that this is your basic starting point. A sampling of all the units available to both traitors and loyalist marines. Get started here, then when you're ready, head on over to Forgeworld for all your legion specific needs. From Characters to Dreadnoughts with Chapter Iconography, to your ultimate Primarchs!

How do you designate legion affinity apart from a paint job? Are there transfers included? Or will there be legion specific shoulder pads? You could of course try a free hand style of painting but this will be quite tough depending on which legion you choose.

 Strg Alt wrote:
How do you designate legion affinity apart from a paint job? Are there transfers included? Or will there be legion specific shoulder pads? You could of course try a free hand style of painting but this will be quite tough depending on which legion you choose.

I believe so, there were transfers in the previous box sets. Also, for more specific legion stuff there are upgrade kits and legion specific dreadnoughts you can use. HH from what I remember was almost as much historical modeling as much as it was a game. We had some people in our local group who only sought to make lore friendly dioramas and stuff like that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Legion Upgrade sprues, including glue-on contemptor decorations.

 Togusa wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
How do you designate legion affinity apart from a paint job? Are there transfers included? Or will there be legion specific shoulder pads? You could of course try a free hand style of painting but this will be quite tough depending on which legion you choose.

I believe so, there were transfers in the previous box sets. Also, for more specific legion stuff there are upgrade kits and legion specific dreadnoughts you can use. HH from what I remember was almost as much historical modeling as much as it was a game. We had some people in our local group who only sought to make lore friendly dioramas and stuff like that.

This is how I view it, or better put actually the game is the thing I like least about 30k.
This is the main reason why I'm over Primaris in 40k & am excited for 30k. It's kinda dumb using Primaris in the Badab war/Beast conflicts. Same w MkVi during the early crusade or MKIII before they ran into squats.
I can understand those that enjoy the game above all else, it's just 180 degrees from where I'm at with the 30/40k setting.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Legion Upgrade sprues, including glue-on contemptor decorations.

I believe this thread includes leaks of several legion upgrade sprues.

 cole1114 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Legion Upgrade sprues, including glue-on contemptor decorations.

I believe this thread includes leaks of several legion upgrade sprues.

Does this Thread? I only remember rumours of Legion specific upgrade sprues for SoH, WE, EC, IF, BA and WS.

I'd gently remind again that the leak containing legion upgrade sprues is the Faeit one with dodgy prices & names that do not match up to the leaked documents.

Re: the Contemptor, I really like it and it's my favourite of the new plastic kits shown so far. Big fan of some of the tweaks they've made to the design, and I won't bother comparing it to its plastic predecessor.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
How do you designate legion affinity apart from a paint job? Are there transfers included? Or will there be legion specific shoulder pads? You could of course try a free hand style of painting but this will be quite tough depending on which legion you choose.

I believe so, there were transfers in the previous box sets. Also, for more specific legion stuff there are upgrade kits and legion specific dreadnoughts you can use. HH from what I remember was almost as much historical modeling as much as it was a game. We had some people in our local group who only sought to make lore friendly dioramas and stuff like that.

This is how I view it, or better put actually the game is the thing I like least about 30k.
This is the main reason why I'm over Primaris in 40k & am excited for 30k. It's kinda dumb using Primaris in the Badab war/Beast conflicts. Same w MkVi during the early crusade or MKIII before they ran into squats.
I can understand those that enjoy the game above all else, it's just 180 degrees from where I'm at with the 30/40k setting.

What's the 'mk3 before they ran into squats' referencing?

When I think of Squats and Marines my period of overlap is MK6 for 40k (RT) or Mk 6&7 for Epic (which includes the whole Heresy, since my starting point with Epic was Space Marine and the other armors didn't exist)

It seems like he is suggesting that MkIII “iron armor” was developed after the Great Crusade came into contact with the Squats? Which is something I hadn’t heard of before, but maybe it’s true.

 ph34r wrote:
It seems like he is suggesting that MkIII “iron armor” was developed after the Great Crusade came into contact with the Squats? Which is something I hadn’t heard of before, but maybe it’s true.

Yes - originally MkII was MkII with increased frontal armour for tunnel-fighting against Squats.

Lexicanum wrote:This model dates from the wars of the Great Crusade, waged close to the galactic core. Many of these worlds were the Squat Homeworlds, which were not pleased to find themselves the object of galactic conquest. The Squats' independent and stubborn nature, along with the conditions of the fighting, spurred the creation of this new armour type. This armour was ideal when cover was minimal and combat was a matter of frontal assault.

beast_gts wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
It seems like he is suggesting that MkIII “iron armor” was developed after the Great Crusade came into contact with the Squats? Which is something I hadn’t heard of before, but maybe it’s true.

Yes - originally MkII was MkII with increased frontal armour for tunnel-fighting against Squats.

Lexicanum wrote:This model dates from the wars of the Great Crusade, waged close to the galactic core. Many of these worlds were the Squat Homeworlds, which were not pleased to find themselves the object of galactic conquest. The Squats' independent and stubborn nature, along with the conditions of the fighting, spurred the creation of this new armour type. This armour was ideal when cover was minimal and combat was a matter of frontal assault.

Ok, but I’ve never once seen anyone make an army representing a legion specifically labelled as before or after contact with squats.

The contemptor is great. I’m not really a heresy fan, but all this stuff is giving me proper Rogue Trader nostalgia. I’ll echo the sentiment of others that I’m a bit bored of Primaris. If I was going to make a marine force for 40K, I’d be more inclined to use beakies, contemptors and Spartans, than I would to use tacticool marines and hoverbricks.

Blast and Flamer templates in the set (as seen to the right of the Spartan)?

So is this using 6E/7E rules?

 Strg Alt wrote:
How do you designate legion affinity apart from a paint job? Are there transfers included? Or will there be legion specific shoulder pads? You could of course try a free hand style of painting but this will be quite tough depending on which legion you choose.

The Mark III marines box, for example, comes with two transfer sheets: one with Ultramarines and some generic squad markins, and one with Thousand Sons and Space Wolves markings. Forgeworld also used to do a lot of sculpted shoulderpads for each legion, in different armor marks, but FW has severely reduced the variety to being maybe just one mark of shoulderpad per legion. FW does sell transfer sheets for each legion.


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 Stormonu wrote:
Blast and Flamer templates in the set (as seen to the right of the Spartan)?

So is this using 6E/7E rules?

It's an evolution of 7E, with a lot of changes. Which is a sore subject for some people.

I can't believe people actually *like* that abomination that is the Contemptor dreadnaught. For one thing, it's looks like it has a huge beerbelly. For another, dreadnaughts are supposed to be exceptionally armored walking life support systems. Sticking your head out of one is the epitome of idiotic. Not wearing a helmet on a regular marine is bad enough, but at least you could claim he's trying to see or hear better or something.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
I can't believe people actually *like* that abomination that is the Contemptor dreadnaught. For one thing, it's looks like it has a huge beerbelly. For another, dreadnaughts are supposed to be exceptionally armored walking life support systems. Sticking your head out of one is the epitome of idiotic. Not wearing a helmet on a regular marine is bad enough, but at least you could claim he's trying to see or hear better or something.

I like your assumption that
a) the helmet isn't armored.
and
b) that's where the marine's actual head is, and not just a sensor suite.


Also, I'm confused as to where you think a 'beer belly' is. The Contemptor's 'belly' (above the hips and below the chest) is rather... sunken.

The (FW)contemptor is one of GW's best models they've ever produced and I think they've hit the new plastic one outta the park. Compared to the calth one, the new one makes it look like a pathetic attempt at best and insulting at worst.

The boxnauts look horrid and I've always loved the "alternate" dreads. I only own one normal metal dred(free to me) and am looking for a reason to use it on a base for something. As that's what they should be used for...

Stop making fun of the Angry Washing Machine! It's not his fault he's not as tall as his older brothers! Or his newer younger brother.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
I can't believe people actually *like* that abomination that is the Contemptor dreadnaught. For one thing, it's looks like it has a huge beerbelly. For another, dreadnaughts are supposed to be exceptionally armored walking life support systems. Sticking your head out of one is the epitome of idiotic. Not wearing a helmet on a regular marine is bad enough, but at least you could claim he's trying to see or hear better or something.

You're aware that's not actually the Marine's head right? I mean, think about the position of the head on the body vs where the Marine body might be.

Also huge beer belly? What?

I do like boxnauts, really like contemptor, Redemptor, and dorito, but LOVE the leviathan.

Really what I mean is please moar dreadnoughts GW!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stop making fun of the Angry Washing Machine! It's not his fault he's not as tall as his older brothers! Or his newer younger brother.

I'd forgive the garbage washing machine Dread if it at least looked menacing or even looked like it could walk.

Quasistellar wrote:
I do like boxnauts, really like contemptor, Redemptor, and dorito, but LOVE the leviathan.

Really what I mean is please moar dreadnoughts GW!

The Leviathan is by far my favourite, and probably my biggest hope for a plastic model (well, maybe after MkII).

Bob Lorgar wrote:
I can't believe people actually *like* that abomination that is the Contemptor dreadnaught. For one thing, it's looks like it has a huge beerbelly. For another, dreadnaughts are supposed to be exceptionally armored walking life support systems. Sticking your head out of one is the epitome of idiotic. Not wearing a helmet on a regular marine is bad enough, but at least you could claim he's trying to see or hear better or something.

This complaint is some 31 years out of date, given the Contemptor first rocked up on Epic sprues in 1991. Weak flame bait game, Bob.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
I can't believe people actually *like* that abomination that is the Contemptor dreadnaught. For one thing, it's looks like it has a huge beerbelly. For another, dreadnaughts are supposed to be exceptionally armored walking life support systems. Sticking your head out of one is the epitome of idiotic. Not wearing a helmet on a regular marine is bad enough, but at least you could claim he's trying to see or hear better or something.

Dang, i guess all Dreadnoughts are the epitome of idiotic then, even the Boxnaut.

All Dreadnoughts look great, except for Redemptor and Deredeo, they're ugly. Redemptor looks like it was made for Orks and Deredeo, well it's just terrible and overgunned all around

I got a DG Contemptor already and was a bit hesitant building it because of its modularity. You can do unwanted strange things when you have to pose everything I'm thinking about getting that new plastic one at some point to properly nurglify it and get the additional weapons.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
I can't believe people actually *like* that abomination that is the Contemptor dreadnaught. For one thing, it's looks like it has a huge beerbelly. For another, dreadnaughts are supposed to be exceptionally armored walking life support systems. Sticking your head out of one is the epitome of idiotic. Not wearing a helmet on a regular marine is bad enough, but at least you could claim he's trying to see or hear better or something.

Good thing then that the "head" is actually more like decorational helmet? With pilot head elsewhere under the armour?

Funny thing that.

I mean, I'm planning on printing some Furibundus, so... (I love those derpy things xD)

tneva82 wrote:
Good thing then that the "head" is actually more like decorational helmet? With pilot head elsewhere under the armour?

Umm...

I'd forgotton about that ridiculous model. Though the space wolf range is rather bizarre, what with Christmas Logan and the rest

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Good thing then that the "head" is actually more like decorational helmet? With pilot head elsewhere under the armour?

Umm...

There's some fluff in one of the IA books that Mk.IV dreadnoughts (helmet) were prone to being possessed during the HH (or the pilots just killed), which is why the Mk.V has a dully enclosed sarcophagus (with extra warding).