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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think it looks great. Amazing that they actually plan out posable minis ahead of time. Imagine if they applied that level of thinking to their infantry rather than the jigsaw puzzle things we have currently.

And the Ironclad (remember that?) has a bunch of options as well.

 Gert wrote:
Hm. So no C-Beam, Volkite, Kheres Assault Cannon, Plasma Cannon, or Chainfist. Thanks, GW very cool.

No model. No rule.

Guess we can say good bye to those and the carapace cyclone.

The models for these do exist - forgeworld. Therefore, they have rules. Like other specialist games, this will not see a 100% plastic release slate, you will still need to buy forgeworld stuff to get access to everything.

Do they exist from Forgeworld? Do they still sell them? Will they once this stuff starts to drop?

FW drops things at random all the time, and we've seen lots of HH things going the way of the Squa... uh... wait that doesn't work anymore... going the way of the Dodo for a while now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do they exist from Forgeworld? Do they still sell them? Will they once this stuff starts to drop?

FW drops things at random all the time, and we've seen lots of HH things going the way of the Squa... uh... wait that doesn't work anymore... going the way of the Dodo for a while now.

Scientists should totally get inspired by Jurassic Park and bring back dodos just to make your life harder like GW just did.

I know we're all not fans of a proper good "wait and see" here, but Warhammer Fest is just a week away. It won't give all the answers, but remember last year for 3rd ed AoS they made a video with some design notes (including the adamant statement that they really wanted to keep double turn that people wanted an answer to). I'd say there's a reasonable chance that GW is going to talk a bit about how they wish to proceed with Horus Heresy. If they keep it firmly as a Forge World thing the main studio has no influence over, we'll be in a much better place than if they start throwing around words like cooperation, coordination, main game or stuff like that.

 Geifer wrote:
Scientists should totally get inspired by Jurassic Park and bring back dodos just to make your life harder like GW just did.

Be careful what you wish for.

 Geifer wrote:
I know we're all not fans of a proper good "wait and see" here, but Warhammer Fest is just a week away.

On the contrary: If we take last year's Warhammer Fest as an example, along with all the reveals and leaks that we've got so far, we don't need to wait to see anything, as we've seen it already.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Scientists should totally get inspired by Jurassic Park and bring back dodos just to make your life harder like GW just did.

Be careful what you wish for.

I for one welcome our new avian overlords. All hail the mighty terror chickens!

And on topic of chickens, after having absorbed the launch box picture we got earlier, I'm just not sure about having that many beakies. They're plain, which isn't a problem per se, but it gives you nothing to distract you from the limited poses. Or limited options, like that plasma pistol arm for the sergeant.

The trouble is that launch box is probably the most cost effective way of laying your hands on that shiny Spartan. I hope we'll see pictures of any starter boxes before the launch box goes up for pre-order, just to confirm what's in the biggest one (provided GW follows the 40k and AoS model with Horus Heresy, of course). Not sure if GW is going to go with a set of terrain or try to lure people in with a tank instead, given there should be a slight aesthetic differences in architecture between 40k and 30k so they can't easily recycle existing terrain.

Fronteris seems pretty skull-free if that's a concern.

 Irbis wrote:

Repeating of which falsehood, incidentally, is doubly hilarious in HH subforum as the big success of 30K was caused by FW basing it entirely on his work, 5th edition providing the entire framework for the rules that made it explode in popularity. Well, until hacks who took over AB passing decided to ruin HH by switching to 7th edition, by far the worst one in 40K history (insert surprised pikachu face when it made HH tank)...

Mr Bligh contributed Significantly to the transition to '7.5', a cleaned up version of 7th. Calling the other writers 'hacks', including Andy Hoare, who not only wrote the single best IA in the form of IA13 and had written alongside Alan, but is significant as the only writer who's written 40k in all four of it's major incarnations as novel, rules for Citadel, rules for Forge World and the Fantasy Flight Games rpg, and is widely regarded as one of the most influential driving creative forces in the company for decades, is really demonstrating for the rest of us how utterly worthless your 'hot take' is.

And you come for Phil Kelly?!? Let me tell you, sunshine, that Phil Kelly's Ork Codex, written midway through 4th, was winning me tournaments right up till the final days of 5th edition, even against the Grey Knights, the necron flying circus, blood angels and the rest. That man is solid gold and on the strength of that book alone, I'd fight someone at a bar dissing him.

As to 'ruin', sorry to burst your bubble, but HH has done nothing but increase in sales year on year. Why on terra do you think it's being transferred to a plastics-driven game with a giant boxed set? Is this the new 'wisdom' of the 'Heresy is Dead' rabble now? Your entire post reads like you opened your mouth to say something and the only noise to escape was the honking of an entire flock of geese.


Right, where was I? Ah yes. Contemptor dreadnoughts and heads, I'd suggest taking a good look at Quin Xa's base, there's a body falling out of a contemptor, the head is not a helm in that case, the body has slushed out, sans arms and is hanging forward. The Contemptor's 'head' remains in place. In this case it is clearly a sensory link, in the same way as a Knight's head.

And yes, 40k Space Wolves are truly awful. I hate what they've done to them. 30k Space Wolves are much better but let down by some seriously bad sculpts (we know which ones) and unfortunately also indulge in that 'Masters of the Universe' 80s toy vibe. I'm tempted to do wolves for myself and just do a small amount of runework/knotwork on them and the occasional pelt. Like the images from the book.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Fronteris seems pretty skull-free if that's a concern.

True, but in my opinion fighting over a remote far or a frontier town isn't exemplary of the grand scale of the Horus Heresy. And the terrain isn't exactly modular and able to build a more diverse, larger urban board.

But hey, we'll see what GW has in store soon enough.

Well the battles reqular players do aren't exactly grand in scale to begin with. Guess somebody out there plays 100k a side but not many

Might be a day or so late, but re the dreadnaughts and heads. Angel exterminatus clears that up. Its still a body in a tank but the magos explains they give them heads because it makes it easier for the pilot to adjust to seeing and feeling through the dreadnaught's senses if they have a head to turn.

Space magic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do they exist from Forgeworld? Do they still sell them? Will they once this stuff starts to drop?

FW drops things at random all the time, and we've seen lots of HH things going the way of the Squa... uh... wait that doesn't work anymore... going the way of the Dodo for a while now.

The way of the Tomb Kings, even.

The 40k boxnought has regular, venerable and ironclad versions. I wouldn't be surprised if the "missing" Contemptor weapons showed up in alternate versions of that chassis.

Or resin ones comes back once kit is on sale

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The 40k boxnought has regular, venerable and ironclad versions. I wouldn't be surprised if the "missing" Contemptor weapons showed up in alternate versions of that chassis.

Happened with the Iconoclast Warmaster - sell you a different kit if you want those options, even if you just want the one model.

FW replied on their fb that the missing weapons might come as upgrade sprues, similar to Titanicus.
I just wonder whether we will see plastic upgrades for legions or will there be new resin versions, since the new Orlock upgrades are still resin.

And the recent Gang upgrades from GW were all plastic. The Ash Wastes pack is the exception.
Also, it wouldn't make much sense to remove all the resin Contemptor options just to bring them back in resin, would it?

Depending on exactly the size/shape of the new contemptor it's possible that the old resin weapons wouldn't quite fit right,

so pulling them then bringing a tweeked (or totally new) version of them back might make more sense than it initially appears

Except the Legion specific variants have all been kept. So either FW is hanging onto 20 Contemptor bodies and 4 Leviathan bodies for no reason, or the weapons fit the same as before.

 Geifer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Scientists should totally get inspired by Jurassic Park and bring back dodos just to make your life harder like GW just did.

Be careful what you wish for.

I for one welcome our new avian overlords. All hail the mighty terror chickens!
.

Dodo’s aren’t chickens. They’re pigeons.

 Geifer wrote:


And on topic of chickens, after having absorbed the launch box picture we got earlier, I'm just not sure about having that many beakies. They're plain, which isn't a problem per se, but it gives you nothing to distract you from the limited poses. Or limited options, like that plasma pistol arm for the sergeant.

The trouble is that launch box is probably the most cost effective way of laying your hands on that shiny Spartan.

Yeah, much as I love the beakie, 40 beakies at once seems excessive, especially on top of 10 Termies. But the price tag on the Spartan separately is going to be insane. Unless the whole package is an insanely good discount, I may just settle for a couple of boxes of beakies separately later on.

I'm expecting the Spartan to be the same price as the Ork Kill Rig. Larger than the Repulsor Executioner, but not full superheavy or centerpiece price, especially since Marines.

Launch boxes are always a really good discount, same with starter sets. I have no doubt in my mind that getting all of that separately will be painfully expensive, you just need to decide if you want everything in the box.

Any ideas how many points are likely going to be in the starter set?

It's about 2k-ish.

 Gert wrote:
It's about 2k-ish.

Thanks. I was trying to work out what I'd need for two 1500 point armies.

 Gert wrote:
Launch boxes are always a really good discount, same with starter sets. I have no doubt in my mind that getting all of that separately will be painfully expensive, you just need to decide if you want everything in the box.

Going by Indomitus and Dominion, roughly at 200-250% markup after release, and that doesn't count the rulebook, and does count getting the basic stuff in starter sets.
Given this is basically the core of an entire army, its going to be real pricey individually.

30k reveal is 10am Saturday (UK time)



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Cool, hopefully this means the preorders for CK boxes will be smooth, what with many eyes directed at this presentation instead of clogging up the webstores.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

And yes, 40k Space Wolves are truly awful. I hate what they've done to them. 30k Space Wolves are much better but let down by some seriously bad sculpts (we know which ones) and unfortunately also indulge in that 'Masters of the Universe' 80s toy vibe. I'm tempted to do wolves for myself and just do a small amount of runework/knotwork on them and the occasional pelt. Like the images from the book.

Spoiler:

That's a good look and not much more ostentatious than other legions.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

Repeating of which falsehood, incidentally, is doubly hilarious in HH subforum as the big success of 30K was caused by FW basing it entirely on his work, 5th edition providing the entire framework for the rules that made it explode in popularity. Well, until hacks who took over AB passing decided to ruin HH by switching to 7th edition, by far the worst one in 40K history (insert surprised pikachu face when it made HH tank)...

Mr Bligh contributed Significantly to the transition to '7.5', a cleaned up version of 7th. Calling the other writers 'hacks', including Andy Hoare, who not only wrote the single best IA in the form of IA13 and had written alongside Alan, but is significant as the only writer who's written 40k in all four of it's major incarnations as novel, rules for Citadel, rules for Forge World and the Fantasy Flight Games rpg, and is widely regarded as one of the most influential driving creative forces in the company for decades, is really demonstrating for the rest of us how utterly worthless your 'hot take' is.

And you come for Phil Kelly?!? Let me tell you, sunshine, that Phil Kelly's Ork Codex, written midway through 4th, was winning me tournaments right up till the final days of 5th edition, even against the Grey Knights, the necron flying circus, blood angels and the rest. That man is solid gold and on the strength of that book alone, I'd fight someone at a bar dissing him.

As to 'ruin', sorry to burst your bubble, but HH has done nothing but increase in sales year on year. Why on terra do you think it's being transferred to a plastics-driven game with a giant boxed set? Is this the new 'wisdom' of the 'Heresy is Dead' rabble now? Your entire post reads like you opened your mouth to say something and the only noise to escape was the honking of an entire flock of geese.


Right, where was I? Ah yes. Contemptor dreadnoughts and heads, I'd suggest taking a good look at Quin Xa's base, there's a body falling out of a contemptor, the head is not a helm in that case, the body has slushed out, sans arms and is hanging forward. The Contemptor's 'head' remains in place. In this case it is clearly a sensory link, in the same way as a Knight's head.

And yes, 40k Space Wolves are truly awful. I hate what they've done to them. 30k Space Wolves are much better but let down by some seriously bad sculpts (we know which ones) and unfortunately also indulge in that 'Masters of the Universe' 80s toy vibe. I'm tempted to do wolves for myself and just do a small amount of runework/knotwork on them and the occasional pelt. Like the images from the book.

God I love that middle armour. Mk2 armour is my fav and that piece of art work almost got me to do a pre russ era space wolves army. But sadly they lost out to stompy robots, mechadendrites, 'the flesh is weak' and toaster pron. God I love the way FW did the mechanicum in the HH game. Such a fun army to hobby with. Just keep the abominations that are the plastic kits away from HH era stuff and im golden. I hope they eventually do a proper dark mechanicum army.... please make it Xana II so its in line with my titans please FW....please.

This kit os going to be north of 500$ bones in Canadian monopoly money. Tough sell. Wish they did mk2 armour instead of beakies but I get wanting to push the 'siege of terra' narrative so they can still tie it into the BL books. I kinda wish instead of revamping HH they just made a 'siege of terra' game or even better The Scouring....now the Scouring would be a amazing time for GW to delve into. Can play in the HH era, siege of terra era and the scouring. Can play Legions of Chapters. Mk7 is around ( which I personally dislike but to each their own), can make new chapters up using legion rules, just so much potential there with tons of room for expansion. Whats left to do after the GC, HH and SoT? they can't keep going back and shoehorning in new models ( the old its always been there we just never showed it before excuse) so this would of given them a out to keep moving forward and they can introduce new stuff. Oh some random IronHands great company made this variant up, some one found xeno tech and adapted it with some shady Adeptus Mechanicus guys etc etc.

I do hope we see plastic mark 2 that looks as good as the resin models. That's what I would like to base a white scars army on all wearing mk2 armour.