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2022/05/29 11:27:56
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
tneva82 wrote: Eh primarch were created with warp power from the get-go...they always were warp monsters. They got power up from warp thanks to deal emperor made.
Fluffwise nothing short of primarch or equilavent should be able to take one down. Certainly not random squad of marines.
And funny you mention list of primarch killing primarch plus primarch doing suicide. You arb proving my point. Primarch already are on level of shouldn't be in game if you want them to be fluff truthful without literally having rule "may not be killed except by primarch and emperor" while being able to take out anything(including warlord titan. Happened in fluff".
They aren't just super strong humans. Warp flew through them from the start.
You do know it was a Daemon that told Argel Tal that the Emperor used the Gods to create the Primarchs right? A Daemon that was trying to turn the Word Bearers to the worship of the Pantheon? Do you maybe think they weren't being entirely truthful?
The Emperor did gain power on Molech but it's only speculation that He used it to create the Primarchs. He still needed people like Erda, Amar Astarte, and Ezekiel Sedayne to help with the Primarch Project. The Primarchs could no more be considered Warp monsters than regular Psykers.
As for the whole "Only a Primarch can kill a Primarch", Curze dies to an assassin (regardless of whether or not he let it happen he still attacked her and then died), Dorn seemingly died to a bunch of Space Marines, Vulkan got killed hundreds of times during the Heresy by Curze's murder maze and then blew up during the War of the Beast. Sanguinius nearly died at Signus as well and Ka'Bandha is described as only one of Khorne's greatest servants.
Alpharius and Ferrus are the only two to die to regular Primarchs, as Sanguinius was killed by Super Horus.
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2022/05/29 12:56:05
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
tneva82 wrote: Eh primarch were created with warp power from the get-go...they always were warp monsters. They got power up from warp thanks to deal emperor made.
Fluffwise nothing short of primarch or equilavent should be able to take one down. Certainly not random squad of marines.
And funny you mention list of primarch killing primarch plus primarch doing suicide. You arb proving my point. Primarch already are on level of shouldn't be in game if you want them to be fluff truthful without literally having rule "may not be killed except by primarch and emperor" while being able to take out anything(including warlord titan. Happened in fluff".
They aren't just super strong humans. Warp flew through them from the start.
You do know it was a Daemon that told Argel Tal that the Emperor used the Gods to create the Primarchs right? A Daemon that was trying to turn the Word Bearers to the worship of the Pantheon? Do you maybe think they weren't being entirely truthful?
The Emperor did gain power on Molech but it's only speculation that He used it to create the Primarchs. He still needed people like Erda, Amar Astarte, and Ezekiel Sedayne to help with the Primarch Project. The Primarchs could no more be considered Warp monsters than regular Psykers.
As for the whole "Only a Primarch can kill a Primarch", Curze dies to an assassin (regardless of whether or not he let it happen he still attacked her and then died), Dorn seemingly died to a bunch of Space Marines, Vulkan got killed hundreds of times during the Heresy by Curze's murder maze and then blew up during the War of the Beast. Sanguinius nearly died at Signus as well and Ka'Bandha is described as only one of Khorne's greatest servants.
Alpharius and Ferrus are the only two to die to regular Primarchs, as Sanguinius was killed by Super Horus.
I'd argue Ferrus didn't really die to a REGULAR Primarch.
2022/05/29 14:53:09
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
He was sort of regular. The weapon was fancy but Fulgrim was still Fulgrim right up until Ferrus's head came off and arguably even after that. It's a bit confusing what happens with Fulgrim because he does go off the rails but then Fabius and a bunch of captains torture him and he reveals that actually no he wasn't possessed he was just reveling in his Slanneshness.
2022/05/29 15:06:09
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
Gert wrote: He was sort of regular. The weapon was fancy but Fulgrim was still Fulgrim right up until Ferrus's head came off and arguably even after that. It's a bit confusing what happens with Fulgrim because he does go off the rails but then Fabius and a bunch of captains torture him and he reveals that actually no he wasn't possessed he was just reveling in his Slanneshness.
A very good example of how incredibly low quality some of the HH series writing is.
The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
2022/05/29 15:48:23
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
tneva82 wrote: Eh primarch were created with warp power from the get-go...they always were warp monsters. They got power up from warp thanks to deal emperor made.
Fluffwise nothing short of primarch or equilavent should be able to take one down. Certainly not random squad of marines.
And funny you mention list of primarch killing primarch plus primarch doing suicide. You arb proving my point. Primarch already are on level of shouldn't be in game if you want them to be fluff truthful without literally having rule "may not be killed except by primarch and emperor" while being able to take out anything(including warlord titan. Happened in fluff".
They aren't just super strong humans. Warp flew through them from the start.
You do know it was a Daemon that told Argel Tal that the Emperor used the Gods to create the Primarchs right? A Daemon that was trying to turn the Word Bearers to the worship of the Pantheon? Do you maybe think they weren't being entirely truthful?
The Emperor did gain power on Molech but it's only speculation that He used it to create the Primarchs. He still needed people like Erda, Amar Astarte, and Ezekiel Sedayne to help with the Primarch Project. The Primarchs could no more be considered Warp monsters than regular Psykers.
As for the whole "Only a Primarch can kill a Primarch", Curze dies to an assassin (regardless of whether or not he let it happen he still attacked her and then died), Dorn seemingly died to a bunch of Space Marines, Vulkan got killed hundreds of times during the Heresy by Curze's murder maze and then blew up during the War of the Beast. Sanguinius nearly died at Signus as well and Ka'Bandha is described as only one of Khorne's greatest servants.
Alpharius and Ferrus are the only two to die to regular Primarchs, as Sanguinius was killed by Super Horus.
Dark Imperium has mention that Guilliman feels something tug at him whenever he uses a teleportarium but refuses to think about it. Corax shows up in a Word Bearers short story as a flock of angry birds because he "accepted what they are".
So warp nonsense is definitely involved at least.
2022/05/29 15:51:59
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
Crimson wrote: The black and white one is compositionally and thematically superior.
This B&W one?
Spoiler:
Yes. It has foreboding tone. The Emperor is leaning forwards, stepping towards Horus who looms menacingly above him, their eyes locked. Emperor's sword is raised and it intersect the picture in in and angle towards Horus. Black empty space behind them in the middle of the picture frames them effectively. The newer one has of course more detail, but compositionally it is much weaker; Emperor in particular just seems to be posing.
And the third one just is a bit of a mess.
Bruh, do you even have eyes? I don't know how you justify the old black and white one being "compositionally superior". Its a literal mess. You can barely even notice that Sanguinius corpse is there because it gets lost behind the Emperors sword. And the big "black empty space" isn't empty at all and has a lot of stuff going on in it that pulls your eyes away from the foreground action. Likewise, the characters just kind of blend into the background wall paneling in general because no distinction is made in style or detail between the foreground characters and the environment. The only bad thing I can say about the color piece from an artistic standpoint is that the Emperors posing is awful/his leg bend doesn't make much anatomical sense, other than that it does a far better job of framing the action and drawing your attention to the foreground while providing a wealth of background detail for you to look at if you want to closely examine the "snapshot in time" for finer details.
Segersgia wrote: Anyone notice the Horus Heresy tab on the store page?
Yup! The new pre-orders are likely coming soon.
*caugh: next weekend
Hope you wallet is ready. It's time to decide if minis are more important then the need to fill your gas tank.
Yesterday a local store owner says that his GW rep told him HH release is in about 2-3 weeks. I think we see the announcement for it to go on preorder next saturday today, followed by a 2 week preorder window.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
2022/05/29 16:38:15
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
Crimson wrote: The black and white one is compositionally and thematically superior.
This B&W one?
Spoiler:
Yes. It has foreboding tone. The Emperor is leaning forwards, stepping towards Horus who looms menacingly above him, their eyes locked. Emperor's sword is raised and it intersect the picture in in and angle towards Horus. Black empty space behind them in the middle of the picture frames them effectively. The newer one has of course more detail, but compositionally it is much weaker; Emperor in particular just seems to be posing.
And the third one just is a bit of a mess.
Did you even look at Horus? Dudes got one hand hiding behind his back in terminator armor. That alone looks ridiculous
2022/05/29 17:05:07
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
The Kratos will be earning itself a Warhammer 40,000 datasheet to boot. While it’s rare on the battlefields of the 41st Millennium, it’s not extinct – and it packs just the same wallop.
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2022/05/29 17:05:42
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
Did I miss an actual release date in that article? As the 2 week/extended pre order periods sometimes see the actual release date as the Friday rather than the Saturday.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Did I miss an actual release date in that article? As the 2 week/extended pre order periods sometimes see the actual release date as the Friday rather than the Saturday.
Preorder 4th
Release 18th
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2022/05/29 17:20:51
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Did I miss an actual release date in that article? As the 2 week/extended pre order periods sometimes see the actual release date as the Friday rather than the Saturday.
At first glance I thought it was a three week preorder.
Luckily retailers will get full details including prices tomorrow so we'll know for sure
2022/05/29 17:24:10
Subject: Re:Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
lord_blackfang wrote: Anyone willing to guess what a reasonable purchase is for starting from scratch, besides the big box?
As far as force composition goes I mean.
2 times the big box and 2-3 of the new plastic tanks
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
2022/05/29 18:03:07
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
So three more weeks until the box hits the shelves. Plus at least one more week if I order direct or D6 weeks if I rely on my FLGS. I guess it's time to start cleaning the working space.
That place is the harsh dark future far left with only war left.
2022/05/29 18:05:31
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
Gert wrote: On the open day stream they did say both MkIII and IV would be repacked into 20 man boxes to match the MkVI.
wonder if the mk iii and mk iv will keep their special and heavy weapons
They're the existing kits - "This is an existing set of plastic sculpts which has been repackaged for the new edition".
Yeah. Apart from anything else, they would have to recut the moulds for each set and they’ve clearly been trying hard to minimise new moulds for this release (the single five man sprue vs the traditional ten man double sprue) and keep the large press for making large kits like the Spartan/recut land raider (again sharing moulds) and Kratos.
"Three months? I'm going to go crazy …and I'm taking you with me!"
— Vala Mal Doran
2022/05/29 18:19:27
Subject: Heresy/30k - News & Rumours - Sons of Horus Upgrades + Legion Focus: Sons of Horus
lord_blackfang wrote: Anyone willing to guess what a reasonable purchase is for starting from scratch, besides the big box?
As far as force composition goes I mean.
In addition to the big box, I would also grab another box of marines and then either a special or heavy weapon upgrade set to build special weapons squads and/or heavy weapon squads. That does partially depend on whether you want to run full 20-man tactical squads or keep them smaller to fit in Rhinos. And whatever vehicle(s) floats your boat.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks