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 Alpharius wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Well, seems like this are not going to be nearly as bad as projected. Hopefully there's a plan for people to get back to working safely.

That stipend's coming out of your taxes next year, kiddos. Don't get too reliant on that.

By that do you mean the 'Stimulus Checks' that the US Government handed out to many families?

If so, that's reportedly not the case.

Yeah, anything is possible when you just make gak up.

It's very curious/darkly amusing to see how many out there theories have come up due covid-19. Everything from wealthy people getting microchips to divine punishment on one group or another. I'm going to be honest, I live in AU and have not worn a mask to this point. But am seriously thinking about it now with the looming threat of the second wave. If we get a repeat of the Spanish Flu and have a second even more pronounced outbreak I'd rather not get it or be a spreader even i'm unlikely to be fatally effected.

Australia is a continent that is already trying its best to kill you anyways, so this is probably not as big a deal by comparison yeah?

Voss wrote:

No. Declining a vaccine isn't acceptable. It _does_ put other people at risk. We've been seeing hundreds of cases of measles where there were effectively none exactly because of that kind of idiocy. Deaths from measles shrank from nearly a million a year down to tens or hundreds per year over the course of the 20th century, now its back up over 100,000. That isn't acceptable, and its entirely due to people refusing to have it done.

There are people who can't take a vaccine because of allergies or extensive health problems, voluntarily passing puts those people at risk, as well as children too young to be vaccinated.

Both measles and polio resurged because of this idiocy. Both were very nearly eradicated just like smallpox was, reduced to a few far-off regions in the middle east and africa when these idiotic anti-vax theories began to spread. In the middle east at least it was religious anti-vax rather than the current even stupider movement in the West, but still.

So a Corvid 19 vaccine is a plot by Bill Gates to insert microchips into people is it? Is this the backup plan after the failure of the Zune?

Jesus Christ these people are getting my fething blood boiling with this kind of idiotic bollocks.

Bran Dawri wrote:

Voss wrote:

No. Declining a vaccine isn't acceptable. It _does_ put other people at risk. We've been seeing hundreds of cases of measles where there were effectively none exactly because of that kind of idiocy. Deaths from measles shrank from nearly a million a year down to tens or hundreds per year over the course of the 20th century, now its back up over 100,000. That isn't acceptable, and its entirely due to people refusing to have it done.

There are people who can't take a vaccine because of allergies or extensive health problems, voluntarily passing puts those people at risk, as well as children too young to be vaccinated.

Both measles and polio resurged because of this idiocy. Both were very nearly eradicated just like smallpox was, reduced to a few far-off regions in the middle east and africa when these idiotic anti-vax theories began to spread In the middle east at least it was religious anti-vax rather than the current even stupider movement in the West, but still.

Less religious, more political. Which wasn't helped by the fact that the CIA actually DID pose as vaccine workers in those countries.

Well, as I understood the situation the political leadership (also?) used religious arguments to set the population against the vaccines, but I may have been misinformed.

Well, lockdown seems to over here, plenty of people out last night, parks were rammed, got invited from people but stayed in anyway. Couple of friends going to visit family today. Mate is planning a big multiplayer one evening next week in his garden, using all the stuff we’ve collectively painted during lockdown.

“If Cummings is allowed to ignore the rules, then so can we”

 Future War Cultist wrote:
So a Corvid 19 vaccine is a plot by Bill Gates to insert microchips into people is it? Is this the backup plan after the failure of the Zune?

Jesus Christ these people are getting my fething blood boiling with this kind of idiotic bollocks.

it came up multiple times , in the conspiracy theories thread.
and it is not just in the US, it has spread like a Virus.

...

The vaccination issue is a tricky one. I believe in vaccines, and I have all mine, as does my daughter, but I don't believe in government enforced vaccines. I don't think we should legislate that vaccines must be had. Now, on the other hand, allowing business and industries or nurseries and schools to require them of workers/kids is acceptable in my opinion.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The vaccination issue is a tricky one. I believe in vaccines, and I have all mine, as does my daughter, but I don't believe in government enforced vaccines. I don't think we should legislate that vaccines must be had. Now, on the other hand, allowing business and industries or nurseries and schools to require them of workers/kids is acceptable in my opinion.

There's a argument to be made that in states were the school is governmental through and through you might aswell enforce it overall...

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Well, lockdown seems to over here, plenty of people out last night, parks were rammed, got invited from people but stayed in anyway. Couple of friends going to visit family today. Mate is planning a big multiplayer one evening next week in his garden, using all the stuff we’ve collectively painted during lockdown.

“If Cummings is allowed to ignore the rules, then so can we”

We can use that to gauge spikes in 2 weeks time, and apply that to see if lockdown was responsible for the virus progress.

Somebody TL;DR this thread for me. Did Peter Wiggin ever show up?!

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Well, lockdown seems to over here, plenty of people out last night, parks were rammed, got invited from people but stayed in anyway. Couple of friends going to visit family today. Mate is planning a big multiplayer one evening next week in his garden, using all the stuff we’ve collectively painted during lockdown.

“If Cummings is allowed to ignore the rules, then so can we”

We can use that to gauge spikes in 2 weeks time, and apply that to see if lockdown was responsible for the virus progress.

Who cares? Even if they do try for another lockdown, no ones gonna listen. Boris ceded the governments authority with the public to save Cummings.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Well, lockdown seems to over here, plenty of people out last night, parks were rammed, got invited from people but stayed in anyway. Couple of friends going to visit family today. Mate is planning a big multiplayer one evening next week in his garden, using all the stuff we’ve collectively painted during lockdown.

“If Cummings is allowed to ignore the rules, then so can we”

We can use that to gauge spikes in 2 weeks time, and apply that to see if lockdown was responsible for the virus progress.

Who cares? Even if they do try for another lockdown, no ones gonna listen. Boris ceded the governments authority with the public to save Cummings.

Agreed - So many of us have obeyed the spirit and letter of the law and now its all going to fall apart due to Cummings.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Agreed - So many of us have obeyed the spirit and letter of the law and now its all going to fall apart due to Cummings.

It's not all due to Cummings. A government scientist/epidemic advisor Neil Furguson broke quarantine and resigned/was persuaded to resign. Scotland's chief medical officer Catherine Calder Wood broke quarantine and resigned/was persuaded to resign. Neither of their actions caused this much of a ruckus because they left their positions quickly.

It isn't just that Cummings broke quarantine - it's those above/around him haven't sacked or persuaded him to resign. There's more to blame than just Cummings if your average UK citizen sees this as the green light that the pandemic is over.

It probably doesn't help, given his past antics with the media, that the press has an axe to grind with him personally. They smell blood and they're going to sew some chaos til they get what they want - regardless of the damage it may cause to UK health.

Given the current PM has a track record of back stabbing and throwing people under busses (metaphorically), one has to wonder exactly what dirt The Sinister Slaphead has on him...

COVID-19 is a man-made virus created in a wuhan lab, it was a weapon used to damage the western economy (it hasn't damaged china's.)

Due to the west not being able to compete with china's 3 billion nationalist slaves (no free information or human rights in China) the west have used the opportunity to adopt strict lockdowns and instigate a "new world" sentiment. Future generations are easier to manipulate and will conform to less rights like the Chinese, who have already adopted GPS tracking and facial recognition, however the Chinese people's loyalty is being bought with their vast steel/export money.

That's my view.

I think you should prepare to get your view removed, because that is so political and of such a conspiracy theory level that there is no reasonable way to engage that.

Cummings isn't even the main issue - people were relaxing as soon as government said "we might start talking about relaxing". Furthermore reactivation of a good few jobs like building has put more cars on the road; more people out and about working and doing jobs. Life is "getting back to normal" and because there's no draconian lockdown forcing people to stay at home, people are just drifting back to normal life.

We must remember as logical and simple as lockdown is to understand, its highly abnormal behaviour for humanity. Whilst we live a very unnatural life, lockdown is unnatural in the extreme for us.

The impression given is that Cummings is the real person in charge and rules don't apply equally. I guess the consideration is that this will be old news the next time an election rolls around.

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Somebody TL;DR this thread for me. Did Peter Wiggin ever show up?!

TL;DR, endless back and forth over lockdown versus economy. Some general commentary on vaccines and the virus in perspective.

Peter Wiggin is stil MIA.

 A.D. wrote:
COVID-19 is a man-made virus created in a wuhan lab, it was a weapon used to damage the western economy (it hasn't damaged china's.)

Due to the west not being able to compete with china's 3 billion nationalist slaves (no free information or human rights in China) the west have used the opportunity to adopt strict lockdowns and instigate a "new world" sentiment. Future generations are easier to manipulate and will conform to less rights like the Chinese, who have already adopted GPS tracking and facial recognition, however the Chinese people's loyalty is being bought with their vast steel/export money.

That's my view.

Erm, you realise that chinas economy has not just grinded to a halt but quite heavily collapsed right?
This year marks the first year they dont prognostice a target for growth.


Also if that were the case in regards to less resistance to authoritharian governments then we would have been a dictatorship a long time ago.

Cummings took his kids to his parents when he starts displaying symptoms of the virus - in accordance with the Deputy Chief Medical Officer's advice of a couple of days before.

(And then some random guy claimed that he saw somebody who looked like Cummings on another day. I'm going to press X to doubt on that...)

The media were so concerned about Cummings' activities that they then all broke quarantine and crowded around him/his house in flagrant breach of social distancing guidelines. Hmm...

Also China's economy relies on a rich west to buy products - if the west collapses China will have a huge industry with no one to sell too.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
I think you should prepare to get your view removed, because that is so political and of such a conspiracy theory level that there is no reasonable way to engage that.

Why would my view be removed it doesn't break any rules and it's on topic. If you wan't a discussion where controversial views are removed and everything is PC then you're closed minded in my opinion. Not only are there reasonable ways to engage (if you wanted to, you could just move on and ignore it) but 50% of people know it's fishy but just don't have answers.


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Not Online!!! wrote:

 A.D. wrote:
COVID-19 is a man-made virus created in a wuhan lab, it was a weapon used to damage the western economy (it hasn't damaged china's.)

Due to the west not being able to compete with china's 3 billion nationalist slaves (no free information or human rights in China) the west have used the opportunity to adopt strict lockdowns and instigate a "new world" sentiment. Future generations are easier to manipulate and will conform to less rights like the Chinese, who have already adopted GPS tracking and facial recognition, however the Chinese people's loyalty is being bought with their vast steel/export money.

That's my view.

Erm, you realise that chinas economy has not just grinded to a halt but quite heavily collapsed right?
This year marks the first year they dont prognostice a target for growth.


Also if that were the case in regards to less resistance to authoritharian governments then we would have been a dictatorship a long time ago.

Look at what they did to the oil prices which is basically what the dollar is based on.

China doesn't rely on exports anymore they import just as much and are now self sufficient. They are already the strongest economy based on productivity.

 Overread wrote:
Also China's economy relies on a rich west to buy products - if the west collapses China will have a huge industry with no one to sell too.

tbf china's economy hasn't beeing all that well for some time now, with a vast increase in stateowned zombie companies before the whole covid 19 crisis.
Fun fact, with the increase in worse economic dates Chinas government got alot more aggresive in it's foreign politics. Porbably because the only legitimisation resaon of the government is the increase in general wealth.
and we saw increased dissent even within the party against Xi with the outbreak and misshandling of the case.

Look at what they did to the oil prices which is basically what the dollar is based on.

China doesn't rely on exports anymore they import just as much and are now self sufficient. They are already the strongest economy based on productivity.

China has no oil production capacity or raw oil ammunt to even just make a dent within the oil market you realise that?

So how should china, an oil importer , affect the oilprice, if anyone is to blame, blame the US, Russia and the saudis for beeing morons launching a price war .

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Cummings took his kids to his parents when he starts displaying symptoms of the virus - in accordance with the Deputy Chief Medical Officer's advice of a couple of days before.

(And then some random guy claimed that he saw somebody who looked like Cummings on another day. I'm going to press X to doubt on that...)

The media were so concerned about Cummings' activities that they then all broke quarantine and crowded around him/his house in flagrant breach of social distancing guidelines. Hmm...

That advice was stay at home and self isolate if you have symptoms. Not “stay at home or drive up the country to another home, your choice, use your instincts”

So, if Cummings is fine, then anyone now displaying symptoms of Covid can choose to self isolate where they fancy and when they fancy.

As for the media scrum - why should they follow rules when questioning someone who chooses not to and is leading on this. A member of SAGE should be leading by example, not demanding people follow rules that he chooses to ignore. The media used their instincts and judgement in this, just like Boris said is permissible.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Also China's economy relies on a rich west to buy products - if the west collapses China will have a huge industry with no one to sell too.

tbf china's economy hasn't beeing all that well for some time now, with a vast increase in stateowned zombie companies before the whole covid 19 crisis.
Fun fact, with the increase in worse economic dates Chinas government got alot more aggresive in it's foreign politics. Porbably because the only legitimisation resaon of the government is the increase in general wealth.
and we saw increased dissent even within the party against Xi with the outbreak and misshandling of the case.

Look at what they did to the oil prices which is basically what the dollar is based on.

China doesn't rely on exports anymore they import just as much and are now self sufficient. They are already the strongest economy based on productivity.

China has no oil production capacity or raw oil ammunt to even just make a dent within the oil market you realise that?

So how should china, an oil importer , affect the oilprice, if anyone is to blame, blame the US, Russia and the saudis for beeing morons launching a price war .

Because a lockdown means low oil demand - tanking the prices. They obviously know lockdowns will be enforced when they send the virus to the west.
Let's face it we are in a cold war.

These governments are run by evil criminal mafias, they will happily murder their own people and stage events in order to impose stricter control on their population and to damage the economies and start wars with other countries (e.g 9/11) You know that.

I don't know anything as fact but either does anyone else. I just don't believe what I see on the news and I do my own research, and I like to express the views that most people are scared to.

As for the media scrum - why should they follow rules when questioning someone who chooses not to and is leading on this. A member of SAGE should be leading by example, not demanding people follow rules that he chooses to ignore. The media used their instincts and judgement in this, just like Boris said is permissible.

wasser predige und wie suffe.

Preaching water whilest getting drunk on wine.


not a good case for ones integrity.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
As for the media scrum - why should they follow rules when questioning someone who chooses not to and is leading on this. A member of SAGE should be leading by example, not demanding people follow rules that he chooses to ignore. The media used their instincts and judgement in this, just like Boris said is permissible.

The media clearly are not actually concerned if they're willing to be crawling all over each other with no masks etc.

So why should I be concerned that they're concerned about somebody else doing the thing* which they're not really concerned about, and isn't illegal?


*(Not that being in a car is likely to spread the virus all over the place anyway)