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Agree - it's all rounded lines and random glow-y bits. One of the nice points of WM/H is how very different the factions are from one another.
   
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Hallowed Canoness





The core factions of Warmachine look quite similar: both Cygnar, Protectorate and Khador look relatively similar, especially with their core, like for instance warjacks.
Horde factions and other Warmachine factions and further expansions on the core factions look much more different from one another.


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So the main factions are the lawful neutral big very imperialist, technologically advanced faction, the chaotic neutral band of rogues and commandos, and the neutral evil necromancer cult?

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Drukhari Covens without having to play 40k ? I'm listening...a bit

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I like the red and black gang honestly. They have the same aesthetic as the rest, but I guess the big claws and the colors make them look cooler.

But really, the Jack and "caster" lady look alright. I wouldn't mind seeing their models and picking them up if they're nice.

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I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Melbourne, Australia

Ideally I'd prefer another faction at launch, but I'll settle for artwork and details for them.

From the gameplay video the only things I don't like the look of are the custom dice (not a fan), spell cards (more custom stuff, but it's mainly the randommes of their avialability) and the being able to re-summon bakc dead units.

But that is on first glance, and I'm keeping an open mind as we learn more.

So far, this game is still growing on me. I stil want a warpwolf in a space helmet though.

The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space. 
   
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The Red and Black gang look like they've dropped out of Destiny a bit.
   
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Vancouver, BC

 insaniak wrote:
Most companies don't actually have unlimited resources... If nobody released new product until they could afford a social media professional on staff, there would be an awful lot less product being released.


Most new startups form around the idea of promoting themselves via new media. PP with a 30 person staff should have at least one person who's capable of presenting a product on camera. Worst case they can, in grand American tradition, hire a couple of unpaid interns to take on the challenge.


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
The Red and Black gang look like they've dropped out of Destiny a bit.


They apparently not only dropped out of destiny but also never found any cosmetic upgrades. That black and red they have going on just doesn't work for me.

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The third faction have Therian vibe in color scheme and even a little overall look. Not sure how many will get the reference though

   
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John D Law wrote:
The third faction have Therian vibe in color scheme and even a little overall look. Not sure how many will get the reference though


AT-43 fan here
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The core factions of Warmachine look quite similar: both Cygnar, Protectorate and Khador look relatively similar, especially with their core, like for instance warjacks.

I don't think that's necessarily true. Even in bare metal / resin, a Templar feels fairly different to a Juggernaut or a Defender.

The supply does not get to make the demands. 
   
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao





Gosport, UK

I dunno. I feel like these factions look/feel about as different as the initial Warmachine factions do. Warjacks all had/have a pretty similar silhouette.
   
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Oakland, CA

The Continuum artwork has me most curious of the three.

It will be interesting how it translates into minis.
   
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 ValentineGames wrote:
Oh dear...
Well being PP it won't last.

That's an odd thing to say, given that Warmachine has lasted 17 years, so far... In a niche where most games are lucky to last 5, it's a venerable ancient.

Where are all the wargame stores stocking it then?
Where are the huge events?
Where are all the articles in wargaming magazines?
Where is ANYTHING?
   
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SoCal

 ValentineGames wrote:

Where are all the wargame stores stocking it then?
Where are the huge events?
Where are all the articles in wargaming magazines?
Where is ANYTHING?


Not cutting PP any slack, but WM is still stocked but only in heavily active areas. The huge events are at big cons. But that's about it. As I've said before, WM is only played by the hardcore fans, of which there are still a significant amount, but they're being enticed away by all the other games slowly.

As for WNM, the biggest problem with the minis shown so far is that their silhouettes are all similarly bulky, which yes, is because of the chonk factor. The guys with lighter armor and cloaks still occupy the same silhouette space as form fitting metal armor. Hopefully they can do some rescaling of various elements to push the silhouettes on a per faction basis. Both light jacks using the same leg joint structure is a problem too. Although I suspect the heavy warjacks will vary more since they have more volume to work with.

A lot of the chunk level also depends on the material used...

   
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 ValentineGames wrote:

Where are all the wargame stores stocking it then?
Where are the huge events?
Where are all the articles in wargaming magazines?
Where is ANYTHING?

Up until fairly recently, all over the place.

If your metric for a game being successful enough to be worth playing is that it has a huge following after almost two decades, there are very few playable games out there from any company. It's an odd thing to single out PP for.

 
   
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Vancouver, BC

 insaniak wrote:
 ValentineGames wrote:

Where are all the wargame stores stocking it then?
Where are the huge events?
Where are all the articles in wargaming magazines?
Where is ANYTHING?

Up until fairly recently, all over the place.

If your metric for a game being successful enough to be worth playing is that it has a huge following after almost two decades, there are very few playable games out there from any company. It's an odd thing to single out PP for.


Yeah, but in PP's case they had that and then fumbled it away. Then GW scored and hit the 2 point convert with AoS and 8th edition and the game was over...

It's only natural to look at PP now versus the high of mk2 and see PP as a failure.
   
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SoCal

So then, Warcaster could be their way back to being competitive.

It's got growing pains, but there's more framework to grow on in Warcaster than Warmachine currently.

   
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 Agamemnon2 wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The core factions of Warmachine look quite similar: both Cygnar, Protectorate and Khador look relatively similar, especially with their core, like for instance warjacks.

I don't think that's necessarily true. Even in bare metal / resin, a Templar feels fairly different to a Juggernaut or a Defender.

Yup. While the core Jacks all share the same 'big torso, tiny legs and head' construction, they have very clear aesthetic differences: Cygnar are all rounded, Khador are square and blocky, Menoth pointy and angular, and Cryx more organic looking.

The factions shown here don't have that level of distinction. The Jacks are all hunched and rounded curves, and look largely interchangeable, and the Infantry all just look like generic sci fi guys, with the only real distinction being that one lot have bigger shoulder pads.

It's like the models were designed by people who feel that the models don't matter, which would make a certain amount of sense given what I've seen of Warmahordes games over the years, with their largely unpainted and often not even completely assembled hordes... But it's disappointing given just how strong the visual appeal of us Warmahordes range was.

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Voss wrote:
'Recycling' the units seems to double down on that as well.

Warmachine got to the point that it had named Warjacks with personalities and veteran sergeants and named solos. This seems more like endless waves of nameless clones. It doesn't matter who dies or what they do as long as you toggle victory points in the scoring phase.

sounds a little like moba-wargaming. Not literally, but the idea behind it of just using waves to capture VPs.

As for models, I like them, and I finally know what they remind me of. mid-00s superhero comics. The style of the guns and armor and the hex plates all makes me think of goons in something like Runaways or...those other comics. I know it's not helping my case that they all blur together
   
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 Vertrucio wrote:
So then, Warcaster could be their way back to being competitive.

It's got growing pains, but there's more framework to grow on in Warcaster than Warmachine currently.


Maybe if they hadn't already torched their FLGS bridges and their entire European fanbase but now... This new PP could barly run a demo that was watchable. This is likely a soon to be DOA turd...
   
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Where are all the wargame stores stocking it then?
Where are the huge events?
Where are all the articles in wargaming magazines?
Where is ANYTHING?


Im not White Knighting for PP. As a long term player I have serious concerns about the company and some of the decision it has made since the launch of Mk3. But I would answer your questions simply –

We are where we have always been. In our own metas doing our own thing.

Even in the heights of Mk2 before the dip that Mk3 caused the UK WM/H community was doing its own thing away from the GW crowd. When I stated the game we had to go online to find players, once we found a club that the local community met at, we were surprised at how many people were playing. That is initially why I got into the game, the strength of the rules and the community.

PP has (had) its own forum and now has its own web pages, official FB pages, factions pages, CID forums etc. Even in the heights of Mk2, how many articles were features in places like BoLS? Very few. We made our own communities and cracked on.

As for the huge event, again they are exactly where they were. UKTC, UK Masters, Welsh Masters, Regional SR comps, ETC, WTC, LVO, Iron Gauntlet, Lock and Load etc. The really big ones are all streamed and recorded by PP and put online. Something it was doing way before GW decided to try their hand in that space. The game has taken a battering but the comp scene is still really strong – which to be fair is a strength AND a weakness of the game.

Where are all the games stocking it? You mean apart from Firestorm, Wayland, Patriot, Goblin etc etc etc? Supply has been a real issue due to issues with the distros. That is getting better now.

The WM/H community has always been off doing its own thing. Which in retrospect, has probably been a mistake as it really hamstrung our recovery after the disaster that was the Mk3 launch. But that has forced the communities to change. All im saying is that if you go looking for the PP community in the UK, you will find us :-)
   
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Vancouver, BC

Sunno wrote:
The WM/H community has always been off doing its own thing. Which in retrospect, has probably been a mistake as it really hamstrung our recovery after the disaster that was the Mk3 launch. But that has forced the communities to change. All im saying is that if you go looking for the PP community in the UK, you will find us :-)


When people have to find your game, rather than being able to discover it at any FLGS, that's usually a very bad sign.

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 insaniak wrote:
 Agamemnon2 wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The core factions of Warmachine look quite similar: both Cygnar, Protectorate and Khador look relatively similar, especially with their core, like for instance warjacks.

I don't think that's necessarily true. Even in bare metal / resin, a Templar feels fairly different to a Juggernaut or a Defender.

Yup. While the core Jacks all share the same 'big torso, tiny legs and head' construction, they have very clear aesthetic differences: Cygnar are all rounded, Khador are square and blocky, Menoth pointy and angular, and Cryx more organic looking.

To be fair, when I first saw WM miniatures all those years ago, I couldn't really appreciate all the distinctions either. It's impossible for me to look at them with "new eyes" at this point. I remember I really disliked the aesthetic when they came out, and it was only the Mariner that really turned me around.

The supply does not get to make the demands. 
   
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 Canadian 5th wrote:
Sunno wrote:
The WM/H community has always been off doing its own thing. Which in retrospect, has probably been a mistake as it really hamstrung our recovery after the disaster that was the Mk3 launch. But that has forced the communities to change. All im saying is that if you go looking for the PP community in the UK, you will find us :-)


When people have to find your game, rather than being able to discover it at any FLGS, that's usually a very bad sign.


depends on the location, here you have to go to the GW or you wont see any GW games being played, but we all know its likely the #1 miniatures game company. I havent seen a game of 40k played at any flgs not named GW in close to a year.
   
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Vancouver, BC

 thekingofkings wrote:
 Canadian 5th wrote:
Sunno wrote:
The WM/H community has always been off doing its own thing. Which in retrospect, has probably been a mistake as it really hamstrung our recovery after the disaster that was the Mk3 launch. But that has forced the communities to change. All im saying is that if you go looking for the PP community in the UK, you will find us :-)


When people have to find your game, rather than being able to discover it at any FLGS, that's usually a very bad sign.


depends on the location, here you have to go to the GW or you wont see any GW games being played, but we all know its likely the #1 miniatures game company. I havent seen a game of 40k played at any flgs not named GW in close to a year.


You won't ever see the like of this written about a PP game.
   
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 Canadian 5th wrote:
Sunno wrote:
The WM/H community has always been off doing its own thing. Which in retrospect, has probably been a mistake as it really hamstrung our recovery after the disaster that was the Mk3 launch. But that has forced the communities to change. All im saying is that if you go looking for the PP community in the UK, you will find us :-)


When people have to find your game, rather than being able to discover it at any FLGS, that's usually a very bad sign.


I am not saying its a great way to run a community. I am just saying "twas ever thus". WM/H community has always stood apart.

Which as I said, is probably a mistake and an attitude we need to change. I think it comes from the slightly elitist attitude that many used to have around "page 5 y'all" and seeking to be "the best competitive game, frack GW" crowed. Which again was an attitude I didn't really get.
   
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Gosport, UK

 Canadian 5th wrote:
 thekingofkings wrote:
 Canadian 5th wrote:
Sunno wrote:
The WM/H community has always been off doing its own thing. Which in retrospect, has probably been a mistake as it really hamstrung our recovery after the disaster that was the Mk3 launch. But that has forced the communities to change. All im saying is that if you go looking for the PP community in the UK, you will find us :-)


When people have to find your game, rather than being able to discover it at any FLGS, that's usually a very bad sign.


depends on the location, here you have to go to the GW or you wont see any GW games being played, but we all know its likely the #1 miniatures game company. I havent seen a game of 40k played at any flgs not named GW in close to a year.


You won't ever see the like of this written about a PP game.


Or probably any other game that isn’t Games Workshop.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
Or probably any other game that isn’t Games Workshop.


D&D? MtG? Pokemon's TCG even?
   
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Gosport, UK

 Canadian 5th wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Or probably any other game that isn’t Games Workshop.


D&D? MtG? Pokemon's TCG even?


Or Video games, if were gonna look at completely different types of game.

I’ve gone pretty cold on PP games, so I’m not really defending them. I just don’t understand this idea that if your game isn’t as big as Games Workshop, it’s a failure, because that would make Games Workshop the only successful tabletop wargaming company.

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There are many metrics by which that is a defensible statement.

The supply does not get to make the demands. 
   
 
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