Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:

The Salt Mine wrote:

The game can't move forward because of the core rules though.

We mean different things by "the game moving forward."

My sisters got 4 brand new units this release; Tau got Shadowsun; GSC got a huge expansion; Orks got some new vehicles and minis are getting updated. Admechs are getting a flyer and a ton of new units, and the rules for combining subfactions mean that the 24 factions really do collapse into subgroups with an amazing variety of options.

That's what I mean by moving forward.

If you mean re-releasing the game, requiring all of the codexes to be re-released before we get anything new, I would respectfully suggest that what you are talking about is moving the game backwards. Because if there's a new edition, you know it's marine spam all over again for about a year before things can get remotely interesting again.

PenitentJake wrote:
Seven books is realistic- BRB, CA, Dex, Supplement, Vigilus Book, PA Book- that's six for a monofaction army. Here's the thing though: the Vigilus and PA books are optional- most of the stuff in them isn't particularly game breaking, and going without it against someone who is loaded up with it doesn't necessarily hurt your odds too badly. Now if you happen to like the stuff in those books and you want to use it, of course, that's fine, but then why complain about bloat? You like it and want to use it.

I use no books when I play- just my notes.
What I do is write out the units I'm using with all of their stats and special rules from all the various sources on a single page per unit. Yes, this means re-writing every rule that applies to each unit, redundant or not- the idea is every single thing you need to know about that unit is written out on its page: absolutely no cross referencing. Ever.

I even add a list of recommended strategems and synergies for each unit to help me make decisions quickly, and I include page numbers in case my opponent calls shenanigans.

Takes a bit of prep, but makes the game super smooth. The bonus is that writing all that stuff out assists with the memory work too. You can save a copy of every load out and just cut and paste to build an army. I like using a spreadsheet where every unit gets a page. Saving the template makes the process of entering the data really easy.

Before you argue that you shouldn't have to do it, which is valid, let me say that this is something I've always done for every edition- I always thought it was just part of the hobby and I'm kinda surprised there are people who don't do it.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:

The Salt Mine wrote:
PA is just a cash grab before they drop 9th edition and invalidate all the rules you just spend money on. Its been par for the course for the last couple editions to drop a new edition once all the codices are out and they drop a few supplements.

I won't deny the possibility, and certainly there is precedent.

But personally, I think the annual campaign + small release for every faction is the new business model, and I think they might stick with it. I hope they do; the game can move forward, with new units, new factions and we can finally see the end of finecast.

The game can't move forward because of the core rules though.

BrianDavion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:

The Salt Mine wrote:
PA is just a cash grab before they drop 9th edition and invalidate all the rules you just spend money on. Its been par for the course for the last couple editions to drop a new edition once all the codices are out and they drop a few supplements.

I won't deny the possibility, and certainly there is precedent.

But personally, I think the annual campaign + small release for every faction is the new business model, and I think they might stick with it. I hope they do; the game can move forward, with new units, new factions and we can finally see the end of finecast.

The game can't move forward because of the core rules though.

9th edition when it comes won't be a massive re-write. it'll be 8th edition with some modifications to repair the worst flaws

bibotot wrote:

Lammia wrote:

bibotot wrote:

Lammia wrote:
The PA books are primarily a rules expansion. Lore content is added as a reward for spending the money on the rules, so you'll likely be disappointed if you're not interested in both lore and rules.

Having said that, Psychic Awakening is more of a name for the series than any promise of content. Warpy things are happening all across the setting, but the stories aren't always going to be Warp related.

bibotot wrote:
+ The part focusing on the Astra Militarum never mentions the term Genestealer or Tyranids, only referring to the enemy as cultists and xenos. However, the secondary snippet where the Governess speaks with the priest about accepting help from the Tau, the term Genestealer appears, implying the characters are fully aware of the nature of the threat. This is so jarring due to its complete absence from the main part. Overall, the Genestealer threat is very widespread and every Imperial world should know about it. It makes no sense for the writer to avoid using the word whatsoever.

The size of Genestealer threat is a secret of the Inquisition, so the restricted use of the term is actually well in line with the setting.

Maybe the actual size of the Tyranids should be suppressed because of morale, but you must know the enemy to defeat them. What is the point of not letting Imperial leaders know the Genestealer threat and then have the entire world overrun? There is a difference between grimdark and cringeydark.

Genestealers are amoung the most subtle and insidious threats to humanity, even more so than Chaos. Planetary may know there are things such as Tyranids and Genestealers, but all the masses need to know is to shoot the Xenos. Even governors know little of their true threat, no one out side the Holy Ordos and maybe the chamber militants are trusted, lest it be used against them. Knowledge is Power, hide it well.

That is 100% cringeydark, not grimdark. I very much hate how grimdark has gone to become so slowed. We are in the year 2020, not 1980. GW has not grown for 40 years if that is what they are going for.

Imagine season 8 of the Walking Dead where someone gets bitten and the other survivors just disinfect and bandage up the wound.

bibotot wrote:

Lammia wrote:

bibotot wrote:

Lammia wrote:
The PA books are primarily a rules expansion. Lore content is added as a reward for spending the money on the rules, so you'll likely be disappointed if you're not interested in both lore and rules.

Having said that, Psychic Awakening is more of a name for the series than any promise of content. Warpy things are happening all across the setting, but the stories aren't always going to be Warp related.

bibotot wrote:
+ The part focusing on the Astra Militarum never mentions the term Genestealer or Tyranids, only referring to the enemy as cultists and xenos. However, the secondary snippet where the Governess speaks with the priest about accepting help from the Tau, the term Genestealer appears, implying the characters are fully aware of the nature of the threat. This is so jarring due to its complete absence from the main part. Overall, the Genestealer threat is very widespread and every Imperial world should know about it. It makes no sense for the writer to avoid using the word whatsoever.

The size of Genestealer threat is a secret of the Inquisition, so the restricted use of the term is actually well in line with the setting.

Maybe the actual size of the Tyranids should be suppressed because of morale, but you must know the enemy to defeat them. What is the point of not letting Imperial leaders know the Genestealer threat and then have the entire world overrun? There is a difference between grimdark and cringeydark.

Genestealers are amoung the most subtle and insidious threats to humanity, even more so than Chaos. Planetary may know there are things such as Tyranids and Genestealers, but all the masses need to know is to shoot the Xenos. Even governors know little of their true threat, no one out side the Holy Ordos and maybe the chamber militants are trusted, lest it be used against them. Knowledge is Power, hide it well.

That is 100% cringeydark, not grimdark. I very much hate how grimdark has gone to become so slowed. We are in the year 2020, not 1980. GW has not grown for 40 years if that is what they are going for.

Imagine season 8 of the Walking Dead where someone gets bitten and the other survivors just disinfect and bandage up the wound.

PenitentJake wrote:

bibotot wrote:

Lammia wrote:

bibotot wrote:

Lammia wrote:
The PA books are primarily a rules expansion. Lore content is added as a reward for spending the money on the rules, so you'll likely be disappointed if you're not interested in both lore and rules.

Having said that, Psychic Awakening is more of a name for the series than any promise of content. Warpy things are happening all across the setting, but the stories aren't always going to be Warp related.

bibotot wrote:
+ The part focusing on the Astra Militarum never mentions the term Genestealer or Tyranids, only referring to the enemy as cultists and xenos. However, the secondary snippet where the Governess speaks with the priest about accepting help from the Tau, the term Genestealer appears, implying the characters are fully aware of the nature of the threat. This is so jarring due to its complete absence from the main part. Overall, the Genestealer threat is very widespread and every Imperial world should know about it. It makes no sense for the writer to avoid using the word whatsoever.

The size of Genestealer threat is a secret of the Inquisition, so the restricted use of the term is actually well in line with the setting.

Maybe the actual size of the Tyranids should be suppressed because of morale, but you must know the enemy to defeat them. What is the point of not letting Imperial leaders know the Genestealer threat and then have the entire world overrun? There is a difference between grimdark and cringeydark.

Genestealers are amoung the most subtle and insidious threats to humanity, even more so than Chaos. Planetary may know there are things such as Tyranids and Genestealers, but all the masses need to know is to shoot the Xenos. Even governors know little of their true threat, no one out side the Holy Ordos and maybe the chamber militants are trusted, lest it be used against them. Knowledge is Power, hide it well.

That is 100% cringeydark, not grimdark. I very much hate how grimdark has gone to become so slowed. We are in the year 2020, not 1980. GW has not grown for 40 years if that is what they are going for.

Imagine season 8 of the Walking Dead where someone gets bitten and the other survivors just disinfect and bandage up the wound.

 Kanluwen wrote:
carapace armored Elysian veterans with hellguns

Caradman Sturnn wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
carapace armored Elysian veterans with hellguns

Also know as Harakoni Warhawks

 Kanluwen wrote:

Caradman Sturnn wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
carapace armored Elysian veterans with hellguns

Also know as Harakoni Warhawks

No, also known as "Stormtroopers".

Their intention was to have a full line of Elysian units. Stormtroopers, commissars, and regimental advisors.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It's weird to me that so many people are dismissing the poor writing of the fluff in these books by saying that the fluff is just a bonus or a commercial or whatever for the rules updates.

Like, these expansion books are a 1:1 copy in concept of forgeworlds Imperial armor books, yet the writing in the Imperial armor expansions were some of the best writing that's ever come out of 40k. There's no reason beyond general incompetence for why the Psychic Awakening books can't be on the level of Taros Campaign or Siege of Vraks in regards to its fluff.