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 ceorron wrote:
If I had to guess it would most likely be necrons vs harlequins. Probably.

Well my predictions were wrong.

Maybe they've done it to avoid the absolute toxicity of the community moaning about a PA book being another 'space marine' book

Not being funny but when something is hyped as being this big cool thing for all factions and then you find out that basically every book bar a couple is, in fact, just a space marine codex update (and its beyond question that by and large that's exactly what the majority of the PA books have been) we are allowed to complain about it.

Pariah is a case in point. Necrons have had one new model in 8 years and are a xenos army. Sisters of battle literally got a full new range a month ago but are an imperium army. Who got the new model in Pariah?

Necronmaniac05 wrote:

Maybe they've done it to avoid the absolute toxicity of the community moaning about a PA book being another 'space marine' book

Not being funny but when something is hyped as being this big cool thing for all factions and then you find out that basically every book bar a couple is, in fact, just a space marine codex update (and its beyond question that by and large that's exactly what the majority of the PA books have been) we are allowed to complain about it.

Pariah is a case in point. Necrons have had one new model in 8 years and are a xenos army. Sisters of battle literally got a full new range a month ago but are an imperium army. Who got the new model in Pariah?

Interesting you make this point, there has been more than 1 book in the series that has provided models for more than 1 faction in it, correct?

I'd quit losing your head about this until you know FOR A FACT that necrons are not getting a new model(s) in this. Then you have permission to be annoyed.

We don't even know officially who is in pariah yet, we didn't know guard were in greater good till a week before with most convinced it was going to be DG as the third faction. Chill out and wait till we have more information.

I'll give you that it's still possible that necrons might get a new model or models in Pariah but I don't recall them splitting the reveals for different models in the other PA books?

2 whole other PA books need to come out before Pariah, I very much hope we don't know everything before it's released as it's a long way off being released (now even more so) and it would be a pretty boring lead up if we already knew everything.

Dudeface wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
I'm a bit confused as to why sisters are getting a PA spot over Harlies and DW. They've just had their codex drop and they're drowning in newrules and units, whereas DW and Harlies are both so damn dusty, neither has had any love for quite a long time, and there's little reason to take either at the moment, having been rendered obsolete in the most part. They're both pretty well-loved factions too, from what I've seen. Harlies in particular could really shine with just a few releases.

The marine release cycle has made deathwatch a mess, they could have access to some new units but it's hard to squeeze them into the deathwatch format without it looking odd imo.

Having to balance special issue ammo, bolter discipline and doctrines (if they had them, which is the expectation I'd imagine) would be a nightmare.

Both armies were released in the golden era of "make 3-4 kits and call them an allies codex" mentality, which is why they're a bit light on the ground generally. But if the studio has no drive to alter that then that's how they'll have to stay sadly.

In any event, they're not in pariah which is the thread topic, so it might be worthwhile a new thread being made for psychic awakening: white dwarf?

Don’t think deathwatch is that bad. A build your own chapter doctrine is exactly what death watch is. They tailor to the enemy .you obviously don’t get every chapter strat, relic , or chapter tactic.

I’m secretly hoping we have a 6+ month break and GW releases 9th with a new set of indexes with doctrines/tactics, strats, relics, warlord traits. Basically a rule book reset putting all the rules for a faction in one book like they did for 8th but less invasive. PA imho was a mess every faction is all over the place rulewise. There is no continuity.

I’m looking forward to pariah, necrons should be getting some new nice stuff. Hopefully the silent king and pariah elites.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Sisters of battle literally got a full new range a month ago but are an imperium army. Who got the new model in Pariah?

Ah yes, famous GW Sisters of Battle favoritism .

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Maybe they've done it to avoid the absolute toxicity of the community moaning about a PA book being another 'space marine' book

When has overloading on Marines EVER given GW pause before?


It's not impossible that it's coronavirus related (I guess we'll get an indication if the first batch of White Dwarf rules are 3+ months away), and GW for whatever reason feels unable to alter their longer term release schedule to accomodate a delay.
If 9th edition was scheduled to be for August/September, for example, and the Phychic Awakening series was intended to lead into that, they might decide to cut a book facing a delay in favour of maintaining the date of the larger release.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Sisters of battle literally got a full new range a month ago but are an imperium army. Who got the new model in Pariah?

Ah yes, famous GW Sisters of Battle favoritism .

Just seems like poor pacing tbh. Something coming out this close after the codex was released could have easily been put into the Codex.

gungo wrote:

Don’t think deathwatch is that bad. A build your own chapter doctrine is exactly what death watch is. They tailor to the enemy .you obviously don’t get every chapter strat, relic , or chapter tactic.

This is delusional. You know what the Deathwatch chapter doctrine is? It's a Lieutenant. A Lieutenant that only works when targeting a specific force organization role (and it doesnt even include all of said FO roles, leaving instances where your amazingly flexible doctrine literally cannot function).

In the context of the custom chapters in C:SM 2.0 I dont know how anyone with a functioning brain makes this argument.

 ceorron wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
If I had to guess it would most likely be necrons vs harlequins. Probably.

Well my predictions were wrong.

If Assassin, Custodes and Death Guard are in PA8 (with Fabius Bile and a CSM subfaction), and Deathwatch and Harlequins are in White Dwarf, then the only existing armies left for PA9 are Necron and Sisters Of Battles / Inquisition, so you are not entirely wrong. I guess they just spread the reveal, we'll have to wait two weeks to see.....

And the rumor ( ) we know are :

- Stern & Harly vs the Necron cryptek Iluminor Szeras in PA9, including rules for Sisters Of Battles + Inquisition vs Necron. It's the last PA book.

- Warhammer 40,000 "9th Edition" later this year, with a starter set Primaris Space Marines vs Necrons.

- New Necron plastic units for Finecast units (Flayers, characters) and "green tubes" units (Warriors and Destroyers), an important narrative focus on them second half 2020.

Time will tell

I kinda hope that doesn't happen since I recently purchased a Necron army that I am finally getting around to building/painting, haha.

But I do like the addition of a few new models and the replacement of the finecast stuff. That would certainly be welcomed.

Darsath wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Sisters of battle literally got a full new range a month ago but are an imperium army. Who got the new model in Pariah?

Ah yes, famous GW Sisters of Battle favoritism .

Just seems like poor pacing tbh. Something coming out this close after the codex was released could have easily been put into the Codex.

toxic people gonna do what toxic people do.
While a certain subset of the community will never be happy with whatever GW does, I can agree that the PA series has been kinda lame. In concept, it was a good? idea, unfortunately GW hyped it up waaaayyyyyy too much for what it has turned out to be. they started out with a good boxed set(just not $€£¥-wise) & kinda went crappy.

Darsath wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Sisters of battle literally got a full new range a month ago but are an imperium army. Who got the new model in Pariah?

Ah yes, famous GW Sisters of Battle favoritism .

Just seems like poor pacing tbh. Something coming out this close after the codex was released could have easily been put into the Codex.

Lol. I thought it was wistful wishing the GSC Vigilus stuff was the GSC Codex, given that Vigilus I came out about two-three weeks before the GSC Codex.

The Saga of the Beast didn't bother re-printing the Space Wolves warlord traits with their weird saga mechanic, which was a day-1 errata for the original Space Wolves Codex.

Hell, the "pocket book edition" of the 40K Rulesbook they released sometime last year was literally a re-print of original 2017 book with zero changes, "technically" invalidating 2 years of Errata, Chapter Approved and more for a few weeks there as it was "technically" the most recent publication.

Etc...

Darsath wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Sisters of battle literally got a full new range a month ago but are an imperium army. Who got the new model in Pariah?

Ah yes, famous GW Sisters of Battle favoritism .

Just seems like poor pacing tbh. Something coming out this close after the codex was released could have easily been put into the Codex.

Because now Sisters players have a reason to buy this new book along with the big, expensive army that they just got through purchasing.

A lot of Sisters players just spent a considerable amount of money on a new army and the book that goes along with it. Given that, they might be inclined to be more frugal in their upcoming purchases, and not buy this PA book. Unveiling the new miniature early on lets those Sisters players know that they should consider buying the book anyway.

the dataslate will probably be in the box they come in so you may not need the book?

Interesting that GW doesn't think much of Deathwatch and Harlequins, yet this topic harvested more conversation (when it was thought to be Necrons, Deathwatch, harlies and to some degree, sisters) than the known Engine War or War of the Spider. Hmm, maybe people do like Xenos and Xenos fighting armies afterall, instead of Imperium/Chaos, Imperium/Chaos, etc.

Make scarabs good again. I laughed as my opponents dreadnaughts and tanks tried to flee from the little buggers.

 bullyboy wrote:
Interesting that GW doesn't think much of Deathwatch and Harlequins, yet this topic harvested more conversation (when it was thought to be Necrons, Deathwatch, harlies and to some degree, sisters) than the known Engine War or War of the Spider. Hmm, maybe people do like Xenos and Xenos fighting armies afterall, instead of Imperium/Chaos, Imperium/Chaos, etc.

Dakka is not at all an indication of popularity.

It is, however, a good source of white noise.

 bullyboy wrote:
Interesting that GW doesn't think much of Deathwatch and Harlequins, yet this topic harvested more conversation (when it was thought to be Necrons, Deathwatch, harlies and to some degree, sisters) than the known Engine War or War of the Spider. Hmm, maybe people do like Xenos and Xenos fighting armies afterall, instead of Imperium/Chaos, Imperium/Chaos, etc.

It is easier to post speculation about the contents of a book when all that is known is the title, than it is one where portions of the content are known.

 bullyboy wrote:
Interesting that GW doesn't think much of Deathwatch and Harlequins, yet this topic harvested more conversation (when it was thought to be Necrons, Deathwatch, harlies and to some degree, sisters) than the known Engine War or War of the Spider. Hmm, maybe people do like Xenos and Xenos fighting armies afterall, instead of Imperium/Chaos, Imperium/Chaos, etc.

Plus or minus a couple of hundred posts on a forum or blog or so isn't gonna be a representative gauge of what's gonna sell.

GW wouldn't have been on a Knights binge for some 5 years now, if they didn't sell exceptionally well. Aside from Space Marines, they are arguably the No. 1 "casual" / "beginners" army that people pick up for not having to paint loads of models and just have fun with big stompy robots. Pretty sure Engine War will be a top seller.

 bullyboy wrote:
Interesting that GW doesn't think much of Deathwatch and Harlequins, yet this topic harvested more conversation (when it was thought to be Necrons, Deathwatch, harlies and to some degree, sisters) than the known Engine War or War of the Spider. Hmm, maybe people do like Xenos and Xenos fighting armies afterall, instead of Imperium/Chaos, Imperium/Chaos, etc.

Darsath wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Sisters of battle literally got a full new range a month ago but are an imperium army. Who got the new model in Pariah?

Ah yes, famous GW Sisters of Battle favoritism .

Just seems like poor pacing tbh. Something coming out this close after the codex was released could have easily been put into the Codex.

Same could more easily be said of all that extra Marine stuff just after their Codex - but spreading stuff out does mean that to have everything you need to keep buying new books etc.

Bigger problem was all the page content used on reprinting the same old dataslates mutiple times for the Angels and the Wolves.....

 bullyboy wrote:
Interesting that GW doesn't think much of Deathwatch and Harlequins, yet this topic harvested more conversation (when it was thought to be Necrons, Deathwatch, harlies and to some degree, sisters) than the known Engine War or War of the Spider. Hmm, maybe people do like Xenos and Xenos fighting armies afterall, instead of Imperium/Chaos, Imperium/Chaos, etc.

Xenos vs Xenos (and to a degree, Xenos vs Chaos) fights actually have the potential to lead somewhere different, or if not, at least give a decent showing to both sides. There's some question of how things will turn out, what the motivations are and how things will come to pass. This is opposed to Imperium (well, Marines) vs Chaos or Marines vs Xenos where 'OpFor' will inflict heavy casualties on the Marines, but the Astartes will nonetheless persevere through their heroic second wind.

Worth mentioning that Engine War's thread is a split-off from a previous Psychic Awakening, specifically because of off topic nonsense and that Engine War has been 'known' for a few months at this point(it was revealed at the Vegas Open alongside the AdMech cavalry and Pteraxii) while "Pariah" is NEW! NEW! NEW! for all intents and purposes.

It's not wildly unbelievable that when you have a new topic/subject it will generate less speculation/discussion as more information drops. Look at the "War of the Spider" thread. 2 pages to Engine War's 3 and Pariah's 5.

 HorticulusDK wrote:

 ceorron wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
If I had to guess it would most likely be necrons vs harlequins. Probably.

Well my predictions were wrong.

If Assassin, Custodes and Death Guard are in PA8 (with Fabius Bile and a CSM subfaction), and Deathwatch and Harlequins are in White Dwarf, then the only existing armies left for PA9 are Necron and Sisters Of Battles / Inquisition, so you are not entirely wrong. I guess they just spread the reveal, we'll have to wait two weeks to see.....

And the rumor ( ) we know are :

- Stern & Harly vs the Necron cryptek Iluminor Szeras in PA9, including rules for Sisters Of Battles + Inquisition vs Necron. It's the last PA book.

- Warhammer 40,000 "9th Edition" later this year, with a starter set Primaris Space Marines vs Necrons.

- New Necron plastic units for Finecast units (Flayers, characters) and "green tubes" units (Warriors and Destroyers), an important narrative focus on them second half 2020.

Time will tell

If you don't mind me asking- where did the Necron rumours come from? That's quite a surprise - I know the 9th rumours are French but I hadn't read anything on Necrons.. mind you I stopped following threads too closely after Nids got their book and nothing else..Not a Necrons player but it would be an interesting development to see a Xenos faction being featured heavily

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Interesting that GW doesn't think much of Deathwatch and Harlequins, yet this topic harvested more conversation (when it was thought to be Necrons, Deathwatch, harlies and to some degree, sisters) than the known Engine War or War of the Spider. Hmm, maybe people do like Xenos and Xenos fighting armies afterall, instead of Imperium/Chaos, Imperium/Chaos, etc.

Plus or minus a couple of hundred posts on a forum or blog or so isn't gonna be a representative gauge of what's gonna sell.

GW wouldn't have been on a Knights binge for some 5 years now, if they didn't sell exceptionally well. Aside from Space Marines, they are arguably the No. 1 "casual" / "beginners" army that people pick up for not having to paint loads of models and just have fun with big stompy robots. Pretty sure Engine War will be a top seller.

Wasn't correlating directly into sales as there are more variables involved, just looking at general interest.

Knights are cool, but a little boring in scope. I would have rather them put these in a WD than Deathwatch or Harlequins. Exactly how much does their range need to expand? They already have a ton of rules/strats etc for what? 1 or 2 models, crazy.

Deathwatch are a great "storyline" force since they can basically be the good or the bad guy. If a Xenos race is trying to bring about an event that saves the universe from succumbing to a gretaer force, they could be the good guys, but Deathwatch don't care because, you know, Xenos.
Harlequins are always that "interruption" army, that just show up to turn the tide and then disappear again. They have featured heavily in almost all of the Aeldari fluff in recent times, especially with Ynnari. Both armies deserve more than knights of either faction.

Anyway, my point is, people like the concept of Xenos, especially after GW has fleshed the living heck out of Imperium and Chaos this past 2-3 years. It certainly is the more interesting area to be discovered, and I can't imagine it too hard to have put a book with harlies, deathwatch, necrons and Stern together. Could have been a great storyline, but alas.

Maybe that is part of my problem, I am approaching this from a lore or storyline aspect, rather than a let's just put new plastic on the table and roll dice with little thought as to why.

 bullyboy wrote:
Interesting that GW doesn't think much of Deathwatch and Harlequins, yet this topic harvested more conversation (when it was thought to be Necrons, Deathwatch, harlies and to some degree, sisters) than the known Engine War or War of the Spider. Hmm, maybe people do like Xenos and Xenos fighting armies afterall, instead of Imperium/Chaos, Imperium/Chaos, etc.

I think you're misattributing the cause. DW & H are getting more conversation because its a known fact rather than pie-in-the-sky speculation.

Voss wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Interesting that GW doesn't think much of Deathwatch and Harlequins, yet this topic harvested more conversation (when it was thought to be Necrons, Deathwatch, harlies and to some degree, sisters) than the known Engine War or War of the Spider. Hmm, maybe people do like Xenos and Xenos fighting armies afterall, instead of Imperium/Chaos, Imperium/Chaos, etc.

I think you're misattributing the cause. DW & H are getting more conversation because its a known fact rather than pie-in-the-sky speculation.

I'm talking more about what was to be in Pariah, it seemed more intriguing than the events in Engine War, maybe a little less so for War of the Spider (Chaos again, great). Discussion for what the connection was between the different elements remaining, and what exactly the "Pariah" is was more interesting to most.

 Arbitrator wrote:
...their heroic second wind.

Fancy way of saying 'plot armor'.