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 Tiberius501 wrote:
I’m a little disappointed that they didn’t talk about Szeras’ rules, but I guess we’ll see them in a week anyway. Just nurvous he’ll have over 9 wounds >.<

You will be more disappointed once you see his rules.

Shouldn't we start hearing about rules now the preorders are up?

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
Shouldn't we start hearing about rules now the preorders are up?

I don't believe the normal channels are getting preoder books at the moment.

Yeah they're not sending preview copies out to Youtubers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah they're not sending preview copies out to Youtubers.

Should we make the same assumptions from that as when producers won't let critics see their movie in advance?

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah they're not sending preview copies out to Youtubers.

Should we make the same assumptions from that as when producers won't let critics see their movie in advance?

No, because I'm pretty sure that was the case last book too. If so, then the easier explanation is the disruption caused by the pandemic.

Not to mention at this point the cat's out of the bag that this PA doesn't have any content worth purchasing it for.

the_scotsman wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Half the Sisters of Battle PA is a Harlequin named character.

And yes, I can't wait to see the stats on the Inquisitor's Shuriken Catapult - we can all find out what the stats should have been in the first place if it wasn't a Xenos faction.

....not a harlequin named character if you can't take him in a harlequin army.

He's not really a harlequin though. He is basically a wood elf war dancer lol.

Seriously, I know it's because I have played forever, but I can't be the only veteran gamer to immediately think he was a war dancer

 Sasori wrote:
Not to mention at this point the cat's out of the bag that this PA doesn't have any content worth purchasing it for.

Yep. And it was from GW themselves, lol.

Well, I broke down and ordered the book, daemonifuge, Stern and the Inquisitor.

 Sasori wrote:
Not to mention at this point the cat's out of the bag that this PA doesn't have any content worth purchasing it for.

That was evident from phoenix rising.

Red Corsair wrote:He's not really a harlequin though. He is basically a wood elf war dancer lol.

Seriously, I know it's because I have played forever, but I can't be the only veteran gamer to immediately think he was a war dancer

40k is fantasy in space. Harlequins have always been the War Dancers in Space equivalents.
A bit goofier with their masks and diamond patterns, which loses out to tats and mohawks, but still. Dancing murder elves isn't exactly a big design space.

I'm starting Necron with 9th Edition and intentionally am playing them as a "fun first" project to break up some of my competitive leanings. Szeras is just such a cool model that I ordered it rules unseen.

For once I want to try playing GW's suggested way of letting models I love dictate what I get, instead of raw math-hammer. :-p

 vipoid wrote:
Should we make the same assumptions from that as when producers won't let critics see their movie in advance?

Considering they've been sending nothing to anyone across the globe the past few months, it's safe to assume that it's the same reason everything's been disrupted since March.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm starting Necron with 9th Edition and intentionally am playing them as a "fun first" project to break up some of my competitive leanings. Szeras is just such a cool model that I ordered it rules unseen.

For once I want to try playing GW's suggested way of letting models I love dictate what I get, instead of raw math-hammer. :-p

I wish I could exalt this more than once. People take competitive 40k way too damn seriously. I'm really looking forward to the Crusade rules.

 Sasori wrote:
Not to mention at this point the cat's out of the bag that this PA doesn't have any content worth purchasing it for.

Speak for yourself. I’m buying it for the Inquisition section.

Yeah, I will be getting a digital copy for the the unit rules and the war zone rules.

I'd already be flabbergasted if they'd manage to bring a 3 Wraithknights detachment in line with a 3 Imperial/Chaos Knight detachment, never even mind non-Knight superheavies.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm starting Necron with 9th Edition and intentionally am playing them as a "fun first" project to break up some of my competitive leanings. Szeras is just such a cool model that I ordered it rules unseen.

For once I want to try playing GW's suggested way of letting models I love dictate what I get, instead of raw math-hammer. :-p

I wish I could exalt this more than once. People take competitive 40k way too damn seriously. I'm really looking forward to the Crusade rules.

I like doing both. There's a lot of fun to be had in taking a model you like but isn't exactly 'meta' and building a list around it to make it work. Mortifiers in SoB is a great exampe of that.

ERJAK wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm starting Necron with 9th Edition and intentionally am playing them as a "fun first" project to break up some of my competitive leanings. Szeras is just such a cool model that I ordered it rules unseen.

For once I want to try playing GW's suggested way of letting models I love dictate what I get, instead of raw math-hammer. :-p

I wish I could exalt this more than once. People take competitive 40k way too damn seriously. I'm really looking forward to the Crusade rules.

I like doing both. There's a lot of fun to be had in taking a model you like but isn't exactly 'meta' and building a list around it to make it work. Mortifiers in SoB is a great exampe of that.

100% agree. Sometimes I love full tilt maximum meta, but my favorite way to play 40k and AoS is actually targetting "B+" lists. Competitive lists sure, but a notch or three off of perfection so both players need to make a concerted effort. Those are my most pure fun games.

 Sasori wrote:
Not to mention at this point the cat's out of the bag that this PA doesn't have any content worth purchasing it for.

Not with that attitude!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Not to mention at this point the cat's out of the bag that this PA doesn't have any content worth purchasing it for.

Not with that attitude!

For me this was the last opportunity for a PA book that included content for at least one of my two most played armies (Deathwatch and Sisters). Since the only rules for sisters will come in the box for the model, I've managed to come out of the entire PA campaign with zero purchased books. A pity.

We have the page for Illuminor Szeras

Id understand being grumpy about Szeras' rules, but considering board size changes and who knows what else coming for the Necrons in the not too distant future, he may secretly be a beast.

Thus ends my daily Optimism Quota.

He's not great. While a big improvement on what he was before, It's pretty hard to justify at that points cost.

I'd rather keep my crypteks cheap in most cases.

 Sasori wrote:
Not to mention at this point the cat's out of the bag that this PA doesn't have any content worth purchasing it for.

I see it as codex inquisition with some additional content, so for me its worth it

 Sasori wrote:
He's not great. While a big improvement on what he was before, It's pretty hard to justify at that points cost.

I'd rather keep my crypteks cheap in most cases.

Are we looking at different datasheets? Becuase for 130 points this guy is bargain basement cheap. He has better combat stats AND better army buffs than Celestine for 30 points cheaper.

ERJAK wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
He's not great. While a big improvement on what he was before, It's pretty hard to justify at that points cost.

I'd rather keep my crypteks cheap in most cases.

Are we looking at different datasheets? Becuase for 130 points this guy is bargain basement cheap. He has better combat stats AND better army buffs than Celestine for 30 points cheaper.

he meant cheap as in pure cheap, not just cheap for what he brings


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Also except for that psyker thing (with limited utiliy), his abilities are pretty much the same as in 8th?

Granted he can augment after killing something in CC, but then whomever he wants to augment are likely still way back firing their guns, not losing their rapid fire shooting in CC with him.

He lost out on range for his big weapon, which means his AT gun will play a less important role as well.. an AT gun.

For 20 points he gained. (from 110 to 130)

+2S, +2T, +2W
His weapon has lost 18" of range (From 36 to 18) and has gonne from assault 1 to assault d3.
His good meele profile has changed from F:U AP-2 1D to S+1 (7) ap-3 D2 and has gainned his old profile as extra limbs attack for dealing with chaff.

And the two habilities, the psyker and the killing stuff in meele. I mean, those two habilites are anecdotal but just for the buffs alone to his weapons and stat lines I would call it a fair trade for just 20 points.

torblind wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
He's not great. While a big improvement on what he was before, It's pretty hard to justify at that points cost.

I'd rather keep my crypteks cheap in most cases.

Are we looking at different datasheets? Becuase for 130 points this guy is bargain basement cheap. He has better combat stats AND better army buffs than Celestine for 30 points cheaper.

he meant cheap as in pure cheap, not just cheap for what he brings


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Also except for that psyker thing (with limited utiliy), his abilities are pretty much the same as in 8th?

Granted he can augment after killing something in CC, but then whomever he wants to augment are likely still way back firing their guns, not losing their rapid fire shooting in CC with him.

He lost out on range for his big weapon, which means his AT gun will play a less important role as well.. an AT gun.

Yeah, exactly. He brings a fair amount of stuff, but that doesn't mean it's actually worth it.

As of right now, the primary reason to bring Crypteks are for their Technomancer Aura. Szeras adds a lot on top of that, but it's not necessarily worth the extra cost to bring him.