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No, not the big shooty tail At The top, the little waggy tail at the back in line with he leg joints. So cute

Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!

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 Flinty wrote:
No, not the big shooty tail At The top, the little waggy tail at the back in line with he leg joints. So cute


Ah, can't take credit for that one sadly, was following the instructions on that one

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Board for the psi titan vs psi titan game. It's funny that we ended up playing this the same day the news about the traitor book dropped. So this might be the last time the tiger eyes run a psi titan now that corrupted rules will soon be out. I sort of resigned myself to the fact that because we'll both of a psi titan and the main weapon with its 120 inch beam with its auto hitting and not having to care about cover that trying to get bigger los blockers than normal into the mix would probably just slow things down. In most game, weapons max range bands tend to play a big factor in how both sides maneuver, but once you've got weapons with ranges of like 48 or more, the reality is you can just sorta sit there a lot of the time. I actually think for all its flaws the titanicus game on steam actually does a decent job with pathing and los blocking. What I mean is, the topography basically has "cliffs" or just elevated terrain the titans often can't move over, but on top there will be gothic buildings, and there's still enough buildings and smaller things like landing pads to reinforcer the scale but most of what dictates where titans can go is the "topography". There's also the problem that without some agreement, "blocking terrain" isn't that blocking because titans can step over it, which often leads to absurd stuff. We tend to play all the citivas buildings as impassable and a lot of the smaller elements as destructible like the little shanty's and cars and baes with palm trees on them. I think I need more terrain like the "butes" I have for the badlands board.

I feel like with buildings, probably none should fully block a warlord or warmaster without being very center weighted, because at that point they're basically functioning as a small mountain/hill/hive stack. What I've done so far with the grim dark and civitas terrain is basically build stuff that would block perhaps questoris knights entirely and almost up a warhound or in some cases block a warhound entirely. I think a lot of this too is wanting the larger titans to really feel big on the battlefield and if every building or tree is taller than them it can sorta eat away at the immersion. I wanted to add roads to this but the truth is as much as they add visually, they add nothing to the game in terms of how we play and they detract because they tend to slide around and get out of alignment, so they can actually make a nice board looks worse over the course of the game if we're not constantly fixing them, one thing I wanted for this board was the ability to actually slide out titans around on the nice smooth battle mat surface without constantly have to pick up the model and place it on roads. At least with a lot of the little details, we're meant to just scoop them up when a titan stomps a path over/through them and you get to really see the board change from the start to the end and not just from titan movement, also from blast weapons scattering and toasting cars or gas stations or little huts (or erotic cake stores lol).

This board probably should have some of the big castles, but as I said earlier, as much balance as that may bring it, it would also likely extend the length of a pretty large game (2500 points) where both sides will be fielding a psi titan and 7+ other units. The punishing reality of something like the psi titans main weapon is that it has basically unlimited range, hits automatically, goes through void shields and it also has psychic powers like etheric tempest where it can just pick a point on the battlefield and automatically hit every unit within 3 inches of that point. Add to that if one side keeps the opus for a few turns in a row, it's got the top of the turn to be a real pain in the butt and because it circumvents so many protections that titans usually have like cover and void shields, the only safety you have is being completely out of los. And that's a bigger and bigger "ask" or expectation in a game about robots so big they tower over the battlefield.

So anyway, the psi titans are going to have a field day in terms of target priority but at least both sides will have one



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 zedmeister wrote:
Nice board. For some reason, it’s reminding me of some Command and Conquer maps!


Thats right and now we need a battlereport...

...Just do it!

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No vending machines yet?

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 zedmeister wrote:
Nice board. For some reason, it’s reminding me of some Command and Conquer maps!


That's a massive compliment


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 zedmeister wrote:
Nice board. For some reason, it’s reminding me of some Command and Conquer maps!


Thats right and now we need a battlereport...

...Just do it!


It's impossible I find to play and document, did the psi titan game yesterday and I only managed to get about 20 pictures


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 Malika2 wrote:
No vending machines yet?


Soon hopefully, my buddy finally got more resin but the bottom of the printer, some part of the tub needs replacing.

I wanna try and make a pub. Plan is to print the free sampler first to bang out scale, to my eye they're aprox 8mm, I wanna go 25% smaller to 6mm and see how they hold up. So gonna do the guy with the bottle at both scales, and the servitor from the kit i got.



I really like the dude with the with ventilation units who looks like he's doing maintenance. I love the gotta collect them all vibe too, they're like lego mini figuers

Definitely wanna try one of the shuttles too.

Just saw the lander now, amazing!

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It's impossible I find to play and document, did the psi titan game yesterday and I only managed to get about 20 pictures



I was "nodding" to a very popular C&C tune...




...which I've only just realised, after all these years, its actually "Just do it up!".

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I wanna try and make a pub. Plan is to print the free sampler first to bang out scale, to my eye they're aprox 8mm, I wanna go 25% smaller to 6mm and see how they hold up. So gonna do the guy with the bottle at both scales, and the servitor from the kit i got.

This is gonna be awesome! I should make some 6mm/8mm scaled signs/billboards.

I really like the dude with the with ventilation units who looks like he's doing maintenance. I love the gotta collect them all vibe too, they're like lego mini figures.

There will be plenty of these fellas released in the coming months.

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 Malika2 wrote:
I wanna try and make a pub. Plan is to print the free sampler first to bang out scale, to my eye they're aprox 8mm, I wanna go 25% smaller to 6mm and see how they hold up. So gonna do the guy with the bottle at both scales, and the servitor from the kit i got.

This is gonna be awesome! I should make some 6mm/8mm scaled signs/billboards.

I really like the dude with the with ventilation units who looks like he's doing maintenance. I love the gotta collect them all vibe too, they're like lego mini figures.

There will be plenty of these fellas released in the coming months.



Signs would be nice




I managed to get 16 pictures during the game, tells you how hard it is to play and document at the same time. Awesome game, got pretty much tabled by the tiger eyes. The king in yellow put the kill shot into my psi titan and it went kaboom.


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Count as knight styrix's. Tried my best to fill out the bases to give them a bit more height, didn't quite get them as tall as I would have liked except for the one on the coil. Took some shots next to the count as cerastus which are about the right height and you can see they're mostly a bit too short, ah well. Going to run them as having dual hekaton siege claws, basically just imagining it as a short ranged cutting laser shot from their eyes.


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Little bit of photoshop, venator vs oberon


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That's crazy!

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 Malika2 wrote:
That's crazy!


721ft tall apparently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagger_288


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I've got a feeling you might be able to put something like that together using some of Troublemaker Games' STLs (LINK) and some other bits.

More Titanicus scaled mining equipment would be pretty sweet!

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 Malika2 wrote:
I've got a feeling you might be able to put something like that together using some of Troublemaker Games' STLs (LINK) and some other bits.

More Titanicus scaled mining equipment would be pretty sweet!


That one dude with the buzzsaw you previewed looks like a good candidate to a miner.

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Got the crawlers painted, basically count as cerastus knight atrapos. Took some pics along with the ordiantus crawler and the knight asterius.


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Keep up the good work!

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 Malika2 wrote:
Keep up the good work!


Danke

Got the metal on the crons started, gonna do basing next.


The plan right now is to use the custom legio rules, this might change based on what's in the new traitor book, but right now the plan is to run them as a custom traitor legio. On the trait side, I wanted them to feel like crons so plaything of the gods seemed like the perfect rule, its a close approximation of living metal basically so fits well with with them. The other trait is motive mastery, this is to represent the long stalky legs the models have, it basically just makes it easier to pass command checks for charge or full stride so takes the pressure off a bit when it comes to key maneuvering stuff.

On the wargear side, the first choice was armour spikes. What they do is take smash attacks from a D3 to a D6. This is to represent all the legs/scythes the models have being able to kick and slash at enemies in proximity. I like this because it means I don't necessarily have to take dedicated close combat weapons but still have a bit an ability to fight in cc. The other wargear I'm not 100% sure on yet, the idea is it lets you push reactors to gain a bit of range with plasma and laser weapons. It will definitely help get a bit of range in a pinch.

I really want to add 2 canoptek spider on 80mm bases to use as warhounds and a doomstalker to count as a warbringer nemesis.


I'm a bit concerned about the warlord and porphyrions just because the weapons and their locations do matter in some instances so I at least want to sorta know where they "should" be for those purposes. Other issues for the warlord is, it sorta has a head but it's a bit low and unlike titans its hard to delineate where it starts or ends.

The reaver is probably the closest aproximation in terms of height and weapon location. The plan is to basically ensure whatever weapons it runs both arms are identically armed. The warlord's arms basically are both different so the plant there is basically to never run the weapon as the same weapon, the wysiwyg is a bit loose but thankfully the cards on the terminal will help with transparency in terms of opponents.

The 3 legged knights will either be lancers or knight atrapos. Obviously because you can't mix them in one banner they'll be one or the other from game to game.

The questoris I hope to try a few loadouts. For the most part the plan is to run them as knight styrix with dual siege claws. The thought there is they don't really have physical cc weapons but it represents them using really short range cutting lasers. The other plan is to try them as questoris with dual cc and melta each.




Legio Traits:

Motive mastery lets the titans add 2 to the order rolls for full stride or charge. (this is exemplified by their tall stalky legs and high LD that necrons would have)

Plaything of the gods
lets titans fix armour or criticals in each strategy phase. (literally living metal, super cool ability and very fluffy for crons)


Wargear:

Arnour spikes change smash attacks from D3 to D6. (lets the titans basically double their potential attacks if attempting to smash. Makes sense given all their big stalky legs)

Plasma rifling
lets plasma or laser weapons gain 6 inches to their short and long range bands if the titan pushes the reactor. (Takes lasers from 32 to 38 inches and plasma from 24-30 inches, could make the difference for the fire support titans. I guess this could just be crons having better targetting tech.)


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So this is probably the cheapest board for titanicus possible while still being very playable. The buildings are from the hawk wargames cityscape box. They're card and made for 10mm so a bit on the big side, but even the smallest building will entirely block los to a warhound and none of the buildings have any gaps or keyholes so for titanicus they really do make nice big los blockers. I added some smaller scatter terrain buildings for scale as I found the buildings on their own a bit "big". The mat is also probably one of the better options for AT and it's quickly become the most useful mat in terms of how the roads are laid out. But ya, the "urban titan" mat mixed with the hawk wargames buildings is just a great way to go for new players wanting to get gaming right away, and if you factor in how much it would cost to build equivalent sized buildings with the civitas terrain you save quite a bit. The colour variety is nice too, add a bit of colour to the board. The best thing I can think of about these things is they way the delineate what is and isn't visible make it pretty easy to tell if a titan's body part or weapon is totally in our out of los, also a bit easier to calculate % of cover.

I also sprinkled the cars around, again like with the small scatter terrain buildings to bring the scale back in from 10mm. But ya, quick board to setup, I've also seen some files on thingiverse that let you print plastic base for these buildings, which actually seems like a good idea because their biggest issue is being card stock the buildings weigh absolutely nothing and are easily shifted/slid or knocked over during games so anything to weigh them down is good. Was also thinking of adding some big ac or ventilation units on top of the buildings to weigh them down, I know malika had designed some units like that recently so might try those ones whenever I can get access to a 3d printer.


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Pics with titans for scale. Again there's about 8 buildings I didn't bother making because they're just "too big" or more specifically too tall. Even these one can easily hide a warlord titan and they're not the biggest in the cityscape box.


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The warmaster iconoclast is up for pre order and I'm getting tired of being correct.

I had feared for some time that this new warmaster would not be compatible with the existing warmaster. The entire selling point of titanicus, for me anyway, was modularity. So close to the core of the game even the models had places for magnets and individual cammand terminals have space for weapon cards, the idea being the weapons a titan wields might actually change from game to game. I'd like you to imagine if, all of a sudden, when gw released the second warlord box, they decided for some reason to not allow players to mix and match weapons, instead making it some cynical sub class of warlord titan with very specific weapons. Well, you'll just need to buy two and never shall their arms swap, just deal with it mate - GW



When I saw the warmaster iconoclast announced, I never intended to buy a second warmaster, but it did initially make me more content with my initial purchase of warmaster because it was evidence that gw, like with the warlord, would be supporting this new big titan chasis with more weapon options, and hopefully more reactor cards. The idea of finally having weapon arm options seemed cool, it wouldn't make me get a second warmaster but would justify me ordering the sprue.

GW doesn't want to sell sprues, it seems. They want to sell 190$ big robots, and they're nuts if they expect me to get a second one, especially now that they've done this. There's a saturation point even for the people who are very much enthusiastic and "into" adeptus titanicus. I'm not a gw fanboy, but the way the fan boys in the main group on facebook reacted to this news disgusts me. It was all shoot the messenger and report to admin/mods for "being negative". I'm sorry, some news is objectively bad for the game. And subjectively, I just wanted plasma on one arm and a cool sword on the other and I'm supposed to be content with the news that that is never happening because of the rules.

The entire genius of this game is the ability to swap weaponry on titans, the modularity, to mess with that out of spite and self interest is the exact kind of garbage behavior I can't abide with GW. Understand this affects even people who don't play, because unlike their other models they're being told they can't just get accessories(head swaps)/weaponry, they need to buy another 190$ giant robot. This all seems to be done in spite to third party retailers like battle bling, I could have seen myself getting some alternative warmaster arms from them, but honestly, i have no intention of running a cc focused warmaster, I could have seen having one arm be cc and the other plasma, but that's not even possible now. So battle bling sadly loses out on a sale, and I can't help but feel that's sorta the point on gw's end. It's the double edged sword of only having the terminals in the box now, another crappy development, not to mention only having thin paper terminals for 200 dollar titans still seems like a bad idea.

The reality is they could sell just the sprue like with the warlord weapon arm sprues, but they won't. We can all see the cynical logic, some manager somewhere thinks it will hurt sales of the 190$ box, so the players lose out and worse yet, they codify this nonsense in the rules just to add insult to injury. The fluff justification was never great for the warmaster, we all swallowed it because "big shiny new robot" and we were old enough to know bad fluff doesn't necessarily mean the unit will be bad for the game. But the fluff was pretty bad, it was a titan so secret that even the emperor may not have known of its existence, but also, everyone and their uncle had one or more locked away in storage. Honestly the gaslight "these have always existed" fluff is easier to swallow than like hundreds of legios loyalist and traitor all keeping a secret until some precise time. Anyway, that was neither here nor there with the warmasters release, it didn't change that it was an interesting if limited new giant robot that might be ok in bigger games provided, perhaps, both side had one. Already niche but whatever, nice to have one for the ole battlegroup in case of a big game.



I guess because they had nothing actually interesting coming out for the traitor book they fell back on "well we could just make a new warmaster and put it on the cover". But honestly they didn't need to make it it's own sub class or pattern, it could have still been on the cover and just not had some half baked fluff piece. But I guess marketing hates descriptions as names and just had to have it be its own thing. Couldn't possibly have another situation like the last warlord box and just call it by what it's armed with. Wamaster with close combat weapons doesn't roll off the tongue, doesn't make for clean copy by some 20 something who has never played the game and constantly messes up every update if only to underline that fact. So finally, now, we have to get even more terrible fluff about how an ever secretior' warmaster that everyone was real scared of in close combat was also kept from possibly even the emperor..again and uhh again, every legio also conveniently has one in their stasis vaults or something, I dunno, just buy 2 okay!?

Even the initial warmaster box says "with plasma destructors", they could have easily just did the same and instead put "with muh sword and claw"



They made the same mistake again with the inferno gun, we're all hoping its just some photoshop template and the real cards will be ok, but it's still up there, no one at gw has noticed they made the same mistake as last time. They still took the time to lable every card just to say it's for the "iconoclast". This is an objective mistake, this isn't subjective. And it has yet to be corrected.


The terminal stats are all the same as the warmaster, but it's a different unit because, well, gw really needs you to buy two.



I think regardless of if one's reaction is mild annoyance or blind rage, the weapon arms and reactor cards not being interchangeable is just not good. There's no upside to it for players. I defended this thing when it was first previewed under the assumption one could mix and match weaponry and now that you can't, like I don't have an application for this thing in game. The issue with the iconoclast aren't the only things they've done lately that leave me scratching my head. The asterius terminal has been seen, and it's basically it's own unit now, they've updated it to be aux and only have up to two in the unit, the points cost has gone up by a marginal amount like 10pts, but it also gained volkite and auto simulacra. 210 for the lord and 190 for the second one, the weapons have not changed so it's still very over powered. There are now 2 versions of the asterius in game because the original acastus terminal, the ones they still sell in boxes 5 because gw are just swell guys like that, those terminals still have rules for both units and and it's a mixed unit. GW arleady FAQ'd them a long time ago to update the points costs, so they'll have to either faq again or release new terminals. Lastly the traitor book apparently, one of the legios isn't traitor but blackshield, so there goes any hope of a blackshields book.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be "actively negative" as the 2018 at group on facebook would say, I'm just pointing out real problems. I'm still excited to see the traitor book and hope all the corrupted rules are cool. AT is still a great game, it's just getting to be a harder sell with GW's recent issues, like my friends who either do play or have considered playing AT, GW's action have affected their willingness to either start playing or keep playing and that's really unfortunate. I'm also getting frustrated, I feel like I'm apologizing for an a hole friend "no, he's changed man, he's really turned himself around" telling them that perhaps despite of gw's past they somehow made a really great game for once all the while I'm basically apologizing for anti consumer behavior on gw's part, but really sad cynical petty stuff as of late, and these are friends already luke warm on GW over the warhammer+ stuff and the recent nda stuff and the 3d stl witch hunts, the nda revelations also explains the "enforced" rose colour glasses vibe/nature as of late with the community members gw deems worthy of access. I can post endless pictures of hobby progress and cool titanicus pics and promote the best elements of the game and hobby and get a handful of likes and comments but say one thing about a new release even if objectively true and every gw white knight and fanboy comes out of the woodwork just to shoot the messenger, it's tiresome. Now it's not about GW changing a fundamental part of the game (modularity) for cynical reasons I have to "prove" my piety or love of the game or receive endless crap slung my way, just tired of that crap. Where are all these beacons of love and positivity when it comes other topics? It's a damn cult. Even the mods join in, it's a joke, I'm only pointing out GW changed the deal, and it's a hard thing to gaslight us normal people on because the damn terminals have places for weapons cards, gw changed the deal, it's not anyone' else fault for noticing. I understand the hobby/game is an escape for some but the inability to divorce the game or hobby from the manufacturer is psychotic. I understand wanting positive discourse and a pragmatic attitude, but the latter is a big ask when the burden shifts to the people still being asked to shell out money to be a thankless editor. It's not sustainable and frankly a joke.

Anyway, here's hoping the traitor book is a worthy addition to the game and corrupter knights and titans hopefully add some cool modelling opportunities. I need a drink.

This seems appropriate


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well, i never liked the warmaster to begin with.
Initialy i wanted titans bigger then the warlord, but seeing the warmaster changed my mind, sutch a big model has no place on the table, maybe if the range was the original 6mm scale. Two warcasters is just to see how hard they can milk the fanbase, dont buy one, simple as that.

I honestly dont belive it is harder to sell the game, just dont sell it as an army game, sell it as what is ment as, a skirmish game whit a realy good coregame rules set. 5 titans per player + 1 or 2 units of knights, thats it, one should not need anything more to play a game.

My collection is 4 warhounds, 2 reavers, 1 warlord, 1 warbringer nemesis and a unit of questoris knights. Thats is all the titans i would ever need. Any futher titans below warlord for me depends on how unique they will be.
So no need for you to make exuses to recruit new blood, just guide them toward the starter boxes and the compendium books. warhound, reaver and warlord still has the superb swappability setting for the weapons.
There is no need for us AT players to even toutch WH+ so why even mention it to the new blood?

Warmahordes got ruined becouse players stopped playing the game as how it was ment to be, aka a skirmish game, and started playing it how it was not ment to be, aka a army game. Now look at it, it is a ruined game system.
We dont need to take AT in the same direction.


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It sounds like they've adopted different names for each variant kit, so its much easier to distinguish - hypothetically - a Gatling-Reaver kit from a Melta-Reaver kit. I must admit that its a chore keep writing "Reaver-with-Gatling-and-Powerfist". Could that be all that it is?

Also, its been delayed by a week? Maybe Warhammer Community got it wrong and next week they'll have a "Coming Soon..." for the Iconoclast Titan and a separate weapon sprue?

I doubt very much they would risk another Warlord misunderstanding, especially for a Titan thats larger and costs even more....

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 FrozenDwarf wrote:
well, i never liked the warmaster to begin with.
Initialy i wanted titans bigger then the warlord, but seeing the warmaster changed my mind, sutch a big model has no place on the table, maybe if the range was the original 6mm scale. Two warcasters is just to see how hard they can milk the fanbase, dont buy one, simple as that.

I honestly dont belive it is harder to sell the game, just dont sell it as an army game, sell it as what is ment as, a skirmish game whit a realy good coregame rules set. 5 titans per player + 1 or 2 units of knights, thats it, one should not need anything more to play a game.

My collection is 4 warhounds, 2 reavers, 1 warlord, 1 warbringer nemesis and a unit of questoris knights. Thats is all the titans i would ever need. Any futher titans below warlord for me depends on how unique they will be.
So no need for you to make exuses to recruit new blood, just guide them toward the starter boxes and the compendium books. warhound, reaver and warlord still has the superb swappability setting for the weapons.
There is no need for us AT players to even toutch WH+ so why even mention it to the new blood?

Warmahordes got ruined becouse players stopped playing the game as how it was ment to be, aka a skirmish game, and started playing it how it was not ment to be, aka a army game. Now look at it, it is a ruined game system.
We dont need to take AT in the same direction.



It's more that they read the forums and groups too so it's hard to hide GW pulling this stuff. For the most part I think we're in agreement that the game works best as a 3-5 titan game with a bit of knight support and I agree this large titan doesn't affect smaller games. To me it's just the fact that they're changing a core feature of the game. This would be like forge world no longer selling the resin weapons on their own but forcing players to get a warlord with them, it's a big step back and it makes future releases look potentially worse.


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It sounds like they've adopted different names for each variant kit, so its much easier to distinguish - hypothetically - a Gatling-Reaver kit from a Melta-Reaver kit. I must admit that its a chore keep writing "Reaver-with-Gatling-and-Powerfist". Could that be all that it is?

Also, its been delayed by a week? Maybe Warhammer Community got it wrong and next week they'll have a "Coming Soon..." for the Iconoclast Titan and a separate weapon sprue?

I doubt very much they would risk another Warlord misunderstanding, especially for a Titan thats larger and costs even more....



If enough people cause a stink they'll maybe faq it to allow weapon swaps, I still think it's better to have GW realize and rectify their mistakes than putting it on us players while still asking we shell out money for it.

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As i see it, issue is on one titan (per side) and it is on the one that is the least needed to own. (it is like the baneblade in a normal 40k game, cool to own but not that practical to game with)
IF we get more titans below warlord that dont have swappable weps and profiles, then yes it will be a problem, but for now i dont see it as a problem. Give it 6 months, maybe a year and someone will have made print files for the new weapons, i doubt GW will officialy change their stance, the company has changed.

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 FrozenDwarf wrote:
As i see it, issue is on one titan (per side) and it is on the one that is the least needed to own. (it is like the baneblade in a normal 40k game, cool to own but not that practical to game with)
IF we get more titans below warlord that dont have swappable weps and profiles, then yes it will be a problem, but for now i dont see it as a problem. Give it 6 months, maybe a year and someone will have made print files for the new weapons, i doubt GW will officialy change their stance, the company has changed.


I doubt they'll change their stance either, but this is the trick of asking paying customers to be "pragmatic" and fix or make up their own rules to fix GW's failings while still being asked to pay full price for rulebooks and titans. It's funny how if a problem is mentioned it falls on players to fix it, and yet what could be more pragmatic than allowing identical titans to swap weapons into arm mounts that literally fit one another and a carapace mount that does that same, and yet selling just the sprue hurts their sale of everyone's least needed second titan so they go so far as to not only not sell the weapon sprue, but codify in the rules that the warmaster and iconoclast are "different" titans, it's pretty balsy even for them. The asterius not going up in points or having its rules tamed a bit is one thing, but the iconoclast thing is just too insulting to the intelligence of AT players. Even if I had no intention to ever get the weapon arms to begin with it would still upset me to see GW give up a core tenet of arguably their best game just to fall back on old anti-consumer habits. The asterius seems more like ignorance or indifference than malice but the iconoclast decision is like shameless gas lighting "we were always at war with east asia" style crap. Had enough of that from media and politicians for the last 18 months guys,

I'm honestly worried the new reactor cards will be so specifically worded that even if people wanted to house rule weapon/reactor swaps between the warmasters it'd be moot without a total re-write of the new reactor cards. Not to mention you pretty much would have to ignore the word iconoclast, over and over.

Battle bling has these awesome alternative options, but again, even that model's loadout in the pic isn't "legal" in game terms because of the missiles up top. I know this all reads like AT fan displays their obsessives attention to detail to harp on GW but it's true. I justify most purchases with "will I be able to use it in game?" and as cool as the new arms from battle bling are, this is the true callousness of GW targeting the fluff/rules to disallow weapon swaps, it seems like GW putting to third parties and 3d printer owners on notice that they will mangle rules just to clamp down. They could have just not sold the sprue separately but still allowed weapon swaps, and I could have gone the battle bling route, but now or until things change there's no point because I won't be able to use cc arms in game. Collectors likely won't care, but as always it's the game that suffers the most.

I hope GW's screw up doesn't affect battle blings sales too much, but I gotta be honest that it did affect them getting a sale from me. Really hoping by some miracle GW corrects this and sprue or not I can just get battle bling cc weapons.

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I think its more simple why there is no separate sprue. Its a very large expensive model so number sold will be much lower than other titans, so how many sprues are they going to sell? how many would they need to make, store in multiple warehouses. We also know that to price it equivalently to other titan sprues it would likely be £35-40, would people buying the titan just as a centrepiece pay that? They could have put both sprues in the box at the start and just charged £120 for the titan, would people have been happier then? I think most people who bought it would have bought it at that price anyway HA! maybe they missed an opportunity.

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I think its more simple why there is no separate sprue. Its a very large expensive model so number sold will be much lower than other titans, so how many sprues are they going to sell? how many would they need to make, store in multiple warehouses. We also know that to price it equivalently to other titan sprues it would likely be £35-40, would people buying the titan just as a centrepiece pay that? They could have put both sprues in the box at the start and just charged £120 for the titan, would people have been happier then? I think most people who bought it would have bought it at that price anyway HA! maybe they missed an opportunity.

As always though, if you dont like the rules and its making you not buy things or questions choices, email them and let them know.


word feedback dont make a dent difference, i tryed with imperialis and 40k 8th. the only thing they will notice is poor sales.
sadly too many GW players are too loyal towards GW even if things are wrong.

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