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Dudeface wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
From the FAQ it sounds like they won’t be announcing the contents of the new starter set today which is a shame.

Well, no, but you can easily read between the lines and tell it will involve necrons at least.

Exactly. When 8th arrived, the edition was presented over months (from March at Adepticon up until the launch in early June) but the starter set was unveiled only a couple of days before the preorders started.
The primaris themselves have been unveiled only 3 weeks before Dark Imperium.

Aeneades wrote:
From the FAQ it sounds like they won’t be announcing the contents of the new starter set today which is a shame.

Sounds like we'll see some Necron stuff from that box without them explicitly spelling out which models are from the starter set. Then later on we'll get a preview of the full contents with a focus on the (likely Marines) half

I'd be intreasting if they went with a Sicarius made primaris in the box and they continued the narrative that was being developed with the char from Damnos.

They'll still sell rulebooks instead of putting all rules free online. Goddamnit, GW!

Core rules are apparently free.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Core rules are apparently free.

Just like now, so nothing changes.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Core rules are apparently free.

this'll be like 8th edition where the core rules are free but you realisticly need a codex and the core rule book if you're playing at the kind of level most of us are playing at.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Core rules are apparently free.

this'll be like 8th edition where the core rules are free but you realisticly need a codex and the core rule book if you're playing at the kind of level most of us are playing at.

Yeah, almost certainly. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen new players show up with the "complete" free rules, then be somewhat annoyed and disappointed to find they're missing a huge chunk of what they need to actually play the game the way everyone else plays it. Maybe this time GW will do it right and include everything in the free rules, but I doubt it.

Well we know it won't contain matched play rules. Or the new narrative system

And FW never managed to push Fires Of Cyraxus out the door.

tneva82 wrote:
Well we know it won't contain matched play rules. Or the new narrative system

We do?

I think just adding the deployment maps and the detachment rules to the battle primer would be plenty to turn it from "useless" to "all the rules you need".

Since the PA books have been made with 9th in mind supposddly, what can we glean from that? Other than more name generators in books.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Core rules are apparently free.

this'll be like 8th edition where the core rules are free but you realisticly need a codex and the core rule book if you're playing at the kind of level most of us are playing at.

You don't really need the brb tbh

ERJAK wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Core rules are apparently free.

this'll be like 8th edition where the core rules are free but you realisticly need a codex and the core rule book if you're playing at the kind of level most of us are playing at.

You don't really need the brb tbh

Didn't the 8th Ed BRB have detachments, scenarios and deployment rules? I'm pretty sure they were missing in the free rules.

 Jidmah wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well we know it won't contain matched play rules. Or the new narrative system

We do?

I think just adding the deployment maps and the detachment rules to the battle primer would be plenty to turn it from "useless" to "all the rules you need".

Yes. The Basic Rules Primer for the new edition will be
available to download for free, just as with the current
edition. For the new rules in full, you’ll want to get a copy
of the new Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, which includes
updates for matched play and the new Crusade system for
narrative play.


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 Sim-Life wrote:


Didn't the 8th Ed BRB have detachments, scenarios and deployment rules? I'm pretty sure they were missing in the free rules.

Yep.

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd be intreasting if they went with a Sicarius made primaris in the box and they continued the narrative that was being developed with the char from Damnos.

And do what?
'And then the Ultramarines went back to Damnos AGAIN, and dunked on the Necrons even harder! But this time Sicariariaus had TWO vortex grenades!'

 Lord Damocles wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd be intreasting if they went with a Sicarius made primaris in the box and they continued the narrative that was being developed with the char from Damnos.

And do what?
'And then the Ultramarines went back to Damnos AGAIN, and dunked on the Necrons even harder! But this time Sicariariaus had TWO vortex grenades!'

If you read the various novella's done to tie in, Sicarius was, personally impacted by his first real defeat at Damnos. Prior to iot he'd been a bit arrogant, basicly beginning to belive his own press, it'd be intreasting to see how he'd respond to leading primaris Marines agaisnt the necrons. sure not an amazing story, but if GW insists on "ULTRAMARINES VS NECRONS" it's proably the best narrative we're going to get.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd be intreasting if they went with a Sicarius made primaris in the box and they continued the narrative that was being developed with the char from Damnos.

And do what?
'And then the Ultramarines went back to Damnos AGAIN, and dunked on the Necrons even harder! But this time Sicariariaus had TWO vortex grenades!'

Well that fits to saturday cartoon style the moving storyline results in. Nobody can die so it's just repeats and draw after draw

Isn't that just the same FAQ they made for 8th edition...?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Isn't that just the same FAQ they made for 8th edition...?

Well it refers to the Vigilis and Psychic Awakening so its an update at least

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Isn't that just the same FAQ they made for 8th edition...?

Similar style yes but 8th ed one didn't claim codexes stay same, dark imperium boxed set goes away, nobody had mentioned vigilus and pa books. No surprise. Why write all from scratch when you can just modify old one?

Btw link doesn't work anymore. Gw reacted to leak

Slipspace wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Core rules are apparently free.

this'll be like 8th edition where the core rules are free but you realisticly need a codex and the core rule book if you're playing at the kind of level most of us are playing at.

Yeah, almost certainly. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen new players show up with the "complete" free rules, then be somewhat annoyed and disappointed to find they're missing a huge chunk of what they need to actually play the game the way everyone else plays it. Maybe this time GW will do it right and include everything in the free rules, but I doubt it.

They’ve done it with AoS, barring points values and Batallions. So a bit puzzling if they don’t follow suit with 40k.

One the main advantages of the free AoS rules is ease of reference when shopping. Whether I’m buying direct or not, it’s just a quick visit to GW’s site to have a squizz. This is particularly useful when considering a new army, as with a few clicks you can get a feel of what sort of combos you fancy.

And allegiance abilities etc. You don't get far with just free core rules in aos either and trying to play without battletome is execrise in futility. Free bonuses too good to pass

As to why not in 40k. It's their cash cow. More money to be bought.

I just want them to get rid of the command re-roll strat.

For me, that would be huge. My orks could care less about the emp.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd be intreasting if they went with a Sicarius made primaris in the box and they continued the narrative that was being developed with the char from Damnos.

And do what?
'And then the Ultramarines went back to Damnos AGAIN, and dunked on the Necrons even harder! But this time Sicariariaus had TWO vortex grenades!'

If you read the various novella's done to tie in, Sicarius was, personally impacted by his first real defeat at Damnos. Prior to iot he'd been a bit arrogant, basicly beginning to belive his own press, it'd be intreasting to see how he'd respond to leading primaris Marines agaisnt the necrons. sure not an amazing story, but if GW insists on "ULTRAMARINES VS NECRONS" it's proably the best narrative we're going to get.

If you read the 6th ed. Warzome: Damnos supplement, you'd know that Sicarius and half the Ultramarines Chapter went back to Damnos 50 years after the loss of the world and reclaimed it already.

Calgar literally manhandles a gauss pylon and uses it to shoot down a tesseract vault, and then Sicarius nukes a C'tan with a vortex grenade, while a Deathwatch strike team destroys The Undying One in his tomb.

And here I am again hoping for alternate activation being implemented...

 Rinkydink wrote:
I just want them to get rid of the command re-roll strat.

For me, that would be huge. My orks could care less about the emp.

I'm happy with the strat but I'd like to see reroll auras toned down and slowly vanish. Even if it was just an affect for 1 unit rather than everything in range.

I hope they switch to D10/12 and/or use the apocalypse loss removal system, which removes casualties at the end of the turn, which would nullify the first turn advantage.

Doubt we’ll see as much change as D10, spesh as they’re upping the price for D6.

But I agree end of Battle Round casualty removal would be pretty ace. Defangs alpha strikes without rendering them completely useless.

Would flip balance toward going second certainly. Hides most army, 1st going can't shoot much and without it removing return fire gets shot back