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 Ghaz wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

Spoiler:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:
I get the splitting of the points and missions in the CA updates but it looks like a bit of a cash grab with a new Edition.

Honestly, I'm a bit more puzzled by why the main rulebook isn't dropping separately.

Is there a main rulebook though? I'm a bit confused - I was interpreting it as the tournament book had all the rules in it, the other book the points and the narrative one the rules for the campaign stuff

The rulebook is in the box set, the chapter approved includes tournament circuit matched play missions (could have put them in the rule book imo) and points updates.

well that sucks.

rememebering back to 8th launch they did charge for points then as well thinking about it - we all had to buy the indexes. My Renegades and Heretics are still using theirs

You had to buy the Indexes for 8th edition because the 7th edition codexes wouldn't work with the game...

neither will the points of the current 'dexs work with 9th

It is entirely possible to play a game of 9th edition with the 8th edition points, just like it is possible to play 8th edition without the points updates in Chapter Approved.

Sure - there's nothing to stop you doing that in the comfort of your own home with mates - doubt you'd get much truck playing someone in a pick-up game whos using 9th pts though

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
New Open War cards?

I'm never buying another GW card product again...

Due to the nature of Open War cards, the existing ones will still work fine, or you can shuffle the old and new decks together to get a lot more variety.

I've had a lot of great games with the 8th ed. Open War deck, so I'll happily pick up the 9th one to expand that. It's one of the few GW products that won't get replaced by a new version in a year.

Not sure how necessary the core rulebook will be - hopefully the appendix will be included with the basic rules in the app.

Maybe they will release the "core rules" as a PDF? wasn't there only 12 pages of them anyway?

they still make big bucks on the CA books but get people in try the free rules?

So I was 100% right about 9th actually being Warhammer 40,000: Tournament Edition.



Points values and a tournament mission pack.

 Asmodai wrote:
Due to the nature of Open War cards, the existing ones will still work fine, or you can shuffle the old and new decks together to get a lot more variety.

I'm sure the current ones will work fine, but these ones will probably be different, and have a different design which makes them less random when mixed in with the old ones.

 Asmodai wrote:
I've had a lot of great games with the 8th ed. Open War deck, so I'll happily pick up the 9th one to expand that. It's one of the few GW products that won't get replaced by a new version in a year.

The one I have just did.

Has there been any word on what the price of Indomitus will be?

Rumours are that it will be far more than we think.

 dan2026 wrote:
Has there been any word on what the price of Indomitus will be?

Nothing confirmed just some "FLGS telling a friend" for every figure between £120 mentioned in the competition and £200

 Kinetochore wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

Spoiler:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:
I get the splitting of the points and missions in the CA updates but it looks like a bit of a cash grab with a new Edition.

Honestly, I'm a bit more puzzled by why the main rulebook isn't dropping separately.

Is there a main rulebook though? I'm a bit confused - I was interpreting it as the tournament book had all the rules in it, the other book the points and the narrative one the rules for the campaign stuff

The rulebook is in the box set, the chapter approved includes tournament circuit matched play missions (could have put them in the rule book imo) and points updates.

well that sucks.

rememebering back to 8th launch they did charge for points then as well thinking about it - we all had to buy the indexes. My Renegades and Heretics are still using theirs

You had to buy the Indexes for 8th edition because the 7th edition codexes wouldn't work with the game...

neither will the points of the current 'dexs work with 9th

It is entirely possible to play a game of 9th edition with the 8th edition points, just like it is possible to play 8th edition without the points updates in Chapter Approved.

Sure - there's nothing to stop you doing that in the comfort of your own home with mates - doubt you'd get much truck playing someone in a pick-up game whos using 9th pts though

And yet again, you've missed the entire point. You literally could NOT play 8th edition with a 7th edition codex because THE RULES WERE NOT COMPATIBLE

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
Due to the nature of Open War cards, the existing ones will still work fine, or you can shuffle the old and new decks together to get a lot more variety.

I'm sure the current ones will work fine, but these ones will probably be different, and have a different design which makes them less random when mixed in with the old ones.

True.

Mine are sleeved anyway to protect against shuffle wear.

Quite like the art style on those book covers.

So today's stream is telling us what the WarCom article has already told us. And they won't tell us the price.

Cool.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So today's stream is telling us what the WarCom article has already told us. And they won't tell us the price.

Cool.

Wade Pryce is the only price we'll get today...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
New Open War cards?

I'm never buying another GW card product again...

Looks like they work like the Warcry cards, so good for narrative gaming, but might be a little wacky for matched play.

 puma713 wrote:
So this sort of worries me:

Games Workshop wrote:Okay, so we’ve seen all of the awesome stuff that is going to be available at launch, and we know that there are completists out there who are eagerly anticipating everything! The good news is that you don’t have to wait long – Indomitus, Chapter Approved, the Crusade Journal and the Open War cards will all be available to pre-order from the 11th of July. Then, they will all be in-store from the 25th of July.

No mention of a standalone rulebook. Would they not release the rulebook at the same time to push Indomitus sales? Certainly not, right? Right!?

I foresee a lot of pirating popping up in the future.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

Spoiler:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kinetochore wrote:
I get the splitting of the points and missions in the CA updates but it looks like a bit of a cash grab with a new Edition.

Honestly, I'm a bit more puzzled by why the main rulebook isn't dropping separately.

Is there a main rulebook though? I'm a bit confused - I was interpreting it as the tournament book had all the rules in it, the other book the points and the narrative one the rules for the campaign stuff

The rulebook is in the box set, the chapter approved includes tournament circuit matched play missions (could have put them in the rule book imo) and points updates.

well that sucks.

rememebering back to 8th launch they did charge for points then as well thinking about it - we all had to buy the indexes. My Renegades and Heretics are still using theirs

You had to buy the Indexes for 8th edition because the 7th edition codexes wouldn't work with the game...

neither will the points of the current 'dexs work with 9th

It is entirely possible to play a game of 9th edition with the 8th edition points, just like it is possible to play 8th edition without the points updates in Chapter Approved.

Sure - there's nothing to stop you doing that in the comfort of your own home with mates - doubt you'd get much truck playing someone in a pick-up game whos using 9th pts though

And yet again, you've missed the entire point. You literally could NOT play 8th edition with a 7th edition codex because THE RULES WERE NOT COMPATIBLE

I totally get where you are coming from. it is entirely possible to play 9th with 8th rules and impossible to play 8th with 7th rules. You are indeed correct. If you ever want to play with someone else and have a balanced game you will need the new points though.

Im going to stop being a pedant and clogging up the discussion now

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So today's stream is telling us what the WarCom article has already told us. And they won't tell us the price.

Cool.

Gotta love NDAs I guess. I'm thinking I'll be setting aside $100/week until launch just to be sure.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
So this sort of worries me:

Games Workshop wrote:Okay, so we’ve seen all of the awesome stuff that is going to be available at launch, and we know that there are completists out there who are eagerly anticipating everything! The good news is that you don’t have to wait long – Indomitus, Chapter Approved, the Crusade Journal and the Open War cards will all be available to pre-order from the 11th of July. Then, they will all be in-store from the 25th of July.

No mention of a standalone rulebook. Would they not release the rulebook at the same time to push Indomitus sales? Certainly not, right? Right!?

I foresee a lot of pirating popping up in the future.

I foresee the core rulebook launching the week after Indomitus.

4chan guy was right?

Supreme Detachment is basically the Primarch Detachement.

edit: beaten

Yep. There goes anyone's plans who were going to load up on HQs using the Supreme Command detachment.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
4chan guy was right?

ooo bonus CP for taking Mortarion. Might have to expand my Death Guard



and learn to paint good

 Kinetochore wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
4chan guy was right?

ooo bonus CP for taking Mortarion. Might have to expand my Death Guard

It's not really a bonus, it just means you get a free Patrol, Battalion or Bridage alongside the primarch detachment.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
4chan guy was right?

So, of course, GW muddies the water with the word "can". Is "This detachment can only include one PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH or SUPREME COMMANDER unit, and this unit must be selected as your WARLORD" exclusive or inclusive? In other words, if I take this detachment, can I include a random Baneblade in the Lord of War slot or not? Does it have to be my WARLORD? If it was only limited to PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH, or SUPREME COMMANDER units, would it not say "must"?

Also the lack of Oxford Comma and semicolons upsets me.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
4chan guy was right?

So, make Magnus the warlord and you get him in the list for no CP investment?

I'd still rather have another warlord honestly.

New mission objective :

I appreciate the missions being taken out of the rulebook and placed directly into the CA. Hopefully they also put the deployment rules in there.

The only reason why I brought the Rulebook with me in 8th was for the deployment rules.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
So, of course, GW muddies the water with the word "can". Is "This detachment can only include one PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH or SUPREME COMMANDER unit, and this unit must be selected as your WARLORD" exclusive or inclusive? In other words, if I take this detachment, can I include a random Baneblade in the Lord of War slot or not? Does it have to be my WARLORD? If it was only limited to PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH, or SUPREME COMMANDER units, would it not say "must"?

Also the lack of Oxford Comma and semicolons upsets me.

I think you're trying way too hard.

"Can only include unit X, this unit must be your warlord" leaves little to guess.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
4chan guy was right?

So, of course, GW muddies the water with the word "can". Is "This detachment can only include one PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH or SUPREME COMMANDER unit, and this unit must be selected as your WARLORD" exclusive or inclusive? In other words, if I take this detachment, can I include a random Baneblade in the Lord of War slot or not? Does it have to be my WARLORD? If it was only limited to PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH, or SUPREME COMMANDER units, would it not say "must"?

Also the lack of Oxford Comma and semicolons upsets me.

*shrug* I guess if you want to make a BB your warlord.

Why is a multimelta more expensive than a lascannon? What possible reason is there for that? S9 is way more valuable than an additional point of AP (in practice) And 48" range is way more valuable than the melta rule no one can ever get in range to use.

It's stupid.

 Tyran wrote:
Supreme Detachment is basically the Primarch Detachement.

Is Ghaz a LoW? Because he could go in there if so.