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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Supreme Detachment is basically the Primarch Detachement.

Is Ghaz a LoW? Because he could go in there if so.

It has both the LoW and HQ icon doesn't it? So potentially they could FAQ units like Ghaz or the Swarmlord into having the SUPREME COMMANDER keyword too.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Looks like they work like the Warcry cards, so good for narrative gaming, but might be a little wacky for matched play.

They work fine for regular 40K. Not sure how they'd be "wacky".

REMOVED - Please do NOT advocate piracy

They hadn't revealed the CPs for a Brigade yet had they? This basically confirms that a Brigade is 4 CP then.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Looks like they work like the Warcry cards, so good for narrative gaming, but might be a little wacky for matched play.

They work fine for regular 40K. Not sure how they'd be "wacky".

Twists can create some interesting game scenarios that might unbalance the game a bit for competitive play.

 Ghaz wrote:
Yep. There goes anyone's plans who were going to load up on HQs using the Supreme Command detachment.

I wanted to do a Four Winds Chaos Daemon army with one of each of the GD's in a Supreme Command detachment.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Yep. There goes anyone's plans who were going to load up on HQs using the Supreme Command detachment.

I wanted to do a Four Winds Chaos Daemon army with one of each of the GD's in a Supreme Command detachment.

So a 3k game?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Twists can create some interesting game scenarios that might unbalance the game a bit for competitive play.

I'm not talking about competitive play.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Twists can create some interesting game scenarios that might unbalance the game a bit for competitive play.

I'm not talking about competitive play.

I think I agree with you. Matched play =/= competitive play.

I always play matched play with my friends but it is far from competitive

Not only does the Supreme Command Detachment make it so you can take the Primarchs as your Warlord and still get a free Patrol/Battalion/Brigade but if you for whatever reason didn't want to take one of these detachments you can st least still get the Primarchs without a CP cost this way when they are your Warlord

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
So this sort of worries me:

Games Workshop wrote:Okay, so we’ve seen all of the awesome stuff that is going to be available at launch, and we know that there are completists out there who are eagerly anticipating everything! The good news is that you don’t have to wait long – Indomitus, Chapter Approved, the Crusade Journal and the Open War cards will all be available to pre-order from the 11th of July. Then, they will all be in-store from the 25th of July.

No mention of a standalone rulebook. Would they not release the rulebook at the same time to push Indomitus sales? Certainly not, right? Right!?

I foresee a lot of pirating popping up in the future.

I told all y'all to stop buying their printed material because of crap like this. They saw they could sell things in total fluctuation of quality like the whole Psychic Awakening series. Now they think they're gonna make a decent amount of money this way.

Oh they will make a whole lump of money this way, them being dumb is no excuse for pirating still.

dhallnet wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
So, of course, GW muddies the water with the word "can". Is "This detachment can only include one PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH or SUPREME COMMANDER unit, and this unit must be selected as your WARLORD" exclusive or inclusive? In other words, if I take this detachment, can I include a random Baneblade in the Lord of War slot or not? Does it have to be my WARLORD? If it was only limited to PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH, or SUPREME COMMANDER units, would it not say "must"?

Also the lack of Oxford Comma and semicolons upsets me.

I think you're trying way too hard.

"Can only include unit X, this unit must be your warlord" leaves little to guess.

Exactly, really can vrs must?
It's pretty clear for a unit to be in a supreme command detachment it is required to have Primarcch, Demon Primarch or Supreme Commander keyword to be taken in this detachment, Don't remeber seeing any of those on a Baneblade datasheet, but keep tilting at those straw men dude

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Twists can create some interesting game scenarios that might unbalance the game a bit for competitive play.

I'm not talking about competitive play.

Fair enough. I was thinking it'll see more use among the narrative community was all.

Given the situation with Covid 19 you would hope for those ordering in GW/Warhammer stores will be given a heads up on price and some form of waiting list to prevent overcrowding on the actual pre order day. I very much doubt that will happen though.

From Faction Focus: Thousand Sons on Warhammer Community:

Doohicky wrote:
I always play matched play with my friends but it is far from competitive

Exactly. Playing with points, or "matched play" has been the standard way of playing 40K for decades. The idea that matched play is suddenly competitive only is silly.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
So this sort of worries me:

Games Workshop wrote:Okay, so we’ve seen all of the awesome stuff that is going to be available at launch, and we know that there are completists out there who are eagerly anticipating everything! The good news is that you don’t have to wait long – Indomitus, Chapter Approved, the Crusade Journal and the Open War cards will all be available to pre-order from the 11th of July. Then, they will all be in-store from the 25th of July.

No mention of a standalone rulebook. Would they not release the rulebook at the same time to push Indomitus sales? Certainly not, right? Right!?

I foresee a lot of pirating popping up in the future.

I told all y'all to stop buying their printed material because of crap like this. They saw they could sell things in total fluctuation of quality like the whole Psychic Awakening series. Now they think they're gonna make a decent amount of money this way.

Oh they will make a whole lump of money this way, them being dumb is no excuse for pirating still.

You give GW an inch and they take well over a mile. That's all buying their printed material does. They're not the ones being dumb here.

"I want to buy a rulebook"
"we're locking it behind a box set for now"
"ok I have to wait 2 weeks"

You either wait a hypothetical 2 weeks or pirate it, it's dumb of GW to present their customers with those options, not the consumer for wanting to support a company.

I can see GK and Tzeentch having a field day with psychic objectives. Would be messed up for Tau and Necron since the only way to interact with them is to kill the psyker outright.

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
So this sort of worries me:

Games Workshop wrote:Okay, so we’ve seen all of the awesome stuff that is going to be available at launch, and we know that there are completists out there who are eagerly anticipating everything! The good news is that you don’t have to wait long – Indomitus, Chapter Approved, the Crusade Journal and the Open War cards will all be available to pre-order from the 11th of July. Then, they will all be in-store from the 25th of July.

No mention of a standalone rulebook. Would they not release the rulebook at the same time to push Indomitus sales? Certainly not, right? Right!?

I foresee a lot of pirating popping up in the future.

I told all y'all to stop buying their printed material because of crap like this. They saw they could sell things in total fluctuation of quality like the whole Psychic Awakening series. Now they think they're gonna make a decent amount of money this way.

Oh they will make a whole lump of money this way, them being dumb is no excuse for pirating still.

You give GW an inch and they take well over a mile. That's all buying their printed material does. They're not the ones being dumb here.

"I want to buy a rulebook"
"we're locking it behind a box set for now"
"ok I have to wait 2 weeks"

You either wait a hypothetical 2 weeks or pirate it, it's dumb of GW to present their customers with those options, not the consumer for wanting to support a company.

It's likely launching a week later just to split it from the Indomitus release window. Core rules will likely be up day one, so waiting a whole week to buy expanded rules doesn't exactly rustle my jimmies.

Dudeface wrote:


Oh they will make a whole lump of money this way, them being dumb is no excuse for pirating still.

Not an excuse, but it is a natural consequence of such a release schedule. Who can afford to play when they have to buy a ~$300 box for rules? Or why make them wait a week or more for an actual book and only people able to afford the box have rules?

It isn't a good strategy.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
4chan guy was right?

So, of course, GW muddies the water with the word "can". Is "This detachment can only include one PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH or SUPREME COMMANDER unit, and this unit must be selected as your WARLORD" exclusive or inclusive? In other words, if I take this detachment, can I include a random Baneblade in the Lord of War slot or not? Does it have to be my WARLORD? If it was only limited to PRIMARCH, DAEMON PRIMARCH, or SUPREME COMMANDER units, would it not say "must"?

Also the lack of Oxford Comma and semicolons upsets me.

Do you honestly try to parody yourself harder with each post?

It literally uses the phrase can only which is another way of saying must.

Dudeface wrote:

Spoiler:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
So this sort of worries me:

Games Workshop wrote:Okay, so we’ve seen all of the awesome stuff that is going to be available at launch, and we know that there are completists out there who are eagerly anticipating everything! The good news is that you don’t have to wait long – Indomitus, Chapter Approved, the Crusade Journal and the Open War cards will all be available to pre-order from the 11th of July. Then, they will all be in-store from the 25th of July.

No mention of a standalone rulebook. Would they not release the rulebook at the same time to push Indomitus sales? Certainly not, right? Right!?

I foresee a lot of pirating popping up in the future.

I told all y'all to stop buying their printed material because of crap like this. They saw they could sell things in total fluctuation of quality like the whole Psychic Awakening series. Now they think they're gonna make a decent amount of money this way.

Oh they will make a whole lump of money this way, them being dumb is no excuse for pirating still.

You give GW an inch and they take well over a mile. That's all buying their printed material does. They're not the ones being dumb here.

"I want to buy a rulebook"
"we're locking it behind a box set for now"
"ok I have to wait 2 weeks"

You either wait a hypothetical 2 weeks or pirate it, it's dumb of GW to present their customers with those options, not the consumer for wanting to support a company.

I don't defend GW's decision to make the core rules not separately available on release week, however if you can't wait (presumably) an extra week or two to get the book then that reflects a lot worse on you than GW.

If the separate book release is over a month then I can sympathize.

 parakuribo wrote:
I can see GK and Tzeentch having a field day with psychic objectives. Would be messed up for Tau and Necron since the only way to interact with them is to kill the psyker outright.

Not really since Mental Interrogation really sucks (Your character foregoing any psychic abilities and within 18" of an enemy character is extremely punishing). We have to see other if other Psychic Actions are worth to take

 Ghaz wrote:
From Faction Focus: Thousand Sons on Warhammer Community:

So, maybe I'm a crazy person, but the best way to use Magnus is to keep him off the table in strategic reserve bothers me as a concept.
I get the whats and whys involved here (because you don't want him summarily executed by alpha-strike), but if this is the best option your 'playtester and top-tier tournament player' can come up with for your centerpiece models, you've done game design wrong.


Same with supreme command detachment (and the knight rule). Hey, in the interest of strategy and tactics, we want multiple detachments to have a cost; here are multiple ways to get around the costs.

So you basically get the detachment for free, and then extra CP to offset the cost of needing another detachment without your warlord in it. Cool.

Regular superheavies still suffer unless there is a spot for them in a Brigade, but this sorts out Primarchs etc

 parakuribo wrote:
I can see GK and Tzeentch having a field day with psychic objectives. Would be messed up for Tau and Necron since the only way to interact with them is to kill the psyker outright.

Maybe? Currently the one we know of requires a character nearby. If we're not pushing disc sorcerers hard we'll be out of range with smart movement from the opponent. It doesn't seem to require LOS so that's good at least.

Voss wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
From Faction Focus: Thousand Sons on Warhammer Community:

So, maybe I'm a crazy person, but the best way to use Magnus is to keep him off the table in strategic reserve bothers me as a concept.
I get the whats and whys involved here (because you don't want him summarily executed by alpha-strike), but if this is the best option your 'playtester and top-tier tournament player' can come up with for your centerpiece models, you've done game design wrong.


Same with supreme command detachment (and the knight rule). Hey, in the interest of strategy and tactics, we want multiple detachments to have a cost; here are multiple ways to get around the costs.

If you deploy him on the table then you risk not going first and making him a big target. Drop him in turn two where he can charge up with psychic powers however, and then he's a walking wrecking ball.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
So this sort of worries me:

Games Workshop wrote:Okay, so we’ve seen all of the awesome stuff that is going to be available at launch, and we know that there are completists out there who are eagerly anticipating everything! The good news is that you don’t have to wait long – Indomitus, Chapter Approved, the Crusade Journal and the Open War cards will all be available to pre-order from the 11th of July. Then, they will all be in-store from the 25th of July.

No mention of a standalone rulebook. Would they not release the rulebook at the same time to push Indomitus sales? Certainly not, right? Right!?

I foresee a lot of pirating popping up in the future.

I told all y'all to stop buying their printed material because of crap like this. They saw they could sell things in total fluctuation of quality like the whole Psychic Awakening series. Now they think they're gonna make a decent amount of money this way.

Oh they will make a whole lump of money this way, them being dumb is no excuse for pirating still.

You give GW an inch and they take well over a mile. That's all buying their printed material does. They're not the ones being dumb here.

"I want to buy a rulebook"
"we're locking it behind a box set for now"
"ok I have to wait 2 weeks"

You either wait a hypothetical 2 weeks or pirate it, it's dumb of GW to present their customers with those options, not the consumer for wanting to support a company.

It's likely launching a week later just to split it from the Indomitus release window. Core rules will likely be up day one, so waiting a whole week to buy expanded rules doesn't exactly rustle my jimmies.

Guess you both missed the new Chapter Approved there.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
So this sort of worries me:

Games Workshop wrote:Okay, so we’ve seen all of the awesome stuff that is going to be available at launch, and we know that there are completists out there who are eagerly anticipating everything! The good news is that you don’t have to wait long – Indomitus, Chapter Approved, the Crusade Journal and the Open War cards will all be available to pre-order from the 11th of July. Then, they will all be in-store from the 25th of July.

No mention of a standalone rulebook. Would they not release the rulebook at the same time to push Indomitus sales? Certainly not, right? Right!?

I foresee a lot of pirating popping up in the future.

I told all y'all to stop buying their printed material because of crap like this. They saw they could sell things in total fluctuation of quality like the whole Psychic Awakening series. Now they think they're gonna make a decent amount of money this way.

Oh they will make a whole lump of money this way, them being dumb is no excuse for pirating still.

You give GW an inch and they take well over a mile. That's all buying their printed material does. They're not the ones being dumb here.

"I want to buy a rulebook"
"we're locking it behind a box set for now"
"ok I have to wait 2 weeks"

You either wait a hypothetical 2 weeks or pirate it, it's dumb of GW to present their customers with those options, not the consumer for wanting to support a company.

It's likely launching a week later just to split it from the Indomitus release window. Core rules will likely be up day one, so waiting a whole week to buy expanded rules doesn't exactly rustle my jimmies.

Guess you both missed the new Chapter Approved there.

Chapter Approved has points and tournament missions, but that's not the same as full rulebook.

Unless it's replacing the rulebook ala the General's Handbook.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
From Faction Focus: Thousand Sons on Warhammer Community:

So, maybe I'm a crazy person, but the best way to use Magnus is to keep him off the table in strategic reserve bothers me as a concept.
I get the whats and whys involved here (because you don't want him summarily executed by alpha-strike), but if this is the best option your 'playtester and top-tier tournament player' can come up with for your centerpiece models, you've done game design wrong.


Same with supreme command detachment (and the knight rule). Hey, in the interest of strategy and tactics, we want multiple detachments to have a cost; here are multiple ways to get around the costs.

If you deploy him on the table then you risk not going first and making him a big target. Drop him in turn two where he can charge up with psychic powers however, and then he's a walking wrecking ball.

I get the whats and whys involved here (because you don't want him summarily executed by alpha-strike), but if this is the best option your 'playtester and top-tier tournament player' can come up with for your centerpiece models, you've done game design wrong.

As much as I love my current Magnus model, taking him on the tabletop right now feels like a Handicap. Hopefully there is some rules to help with this, but besides putting him in reserve I am doubtful.