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Honestly I am more excited for the fact it seems that GW want to push bases for all models, including vehicles. I really hope they do that properly and finally make a definitive list of what models should use what bases.
HEY GW, ARE YOU EVER GOING TO LET US SEE THE NEW FORGE WORLD BOOKS?
Yes. 12 days before release, just like most releases.
Well yes, obviously, but how much longer until they announce their release so those 12 days can start. They said that the books would be out soon after 9th edition. What exactly is gw's definition of "soon"? This lack of information is aggravating.
I will say, technically 9th isn't even here yet. Just another week...
Which is equally frustraiting as they said we would have new FW books during 8th, I really hope we don't get screwed with books for the wrong edition. Then again maybe wouldn't be the worst if the points were inline with 8th as it might make some of the bugger models approach playable points.
When did they say when they would be released or even which edition of the game they were for? From Warhammer Community:
Since the release of the Forge World indexes a couple of years ago, Warhammer 40,000 has changed a lot. While the indexes were a great reference resource, we want to give you something even better – which is why the Warhammer 40,000 studio embarked on a project to bring you a series of all-new books with updated rules for these units and armies.
To make room for these new, mysterious books, the Forge World indexes will be disappearing, though the rules will remain in use until the new books arrive. We’re letting you know now so you’ve got a chance to pick them up if you’re missing any. We’ll have more news soon, so keep an eye out.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
oni wrote: My opinions on the new missions aside... I am thankful that we (e.g. Straight from the book players, ITC players, NOVA players, etc.) can finally be on the same page.
That said, I still have concerns that ITC and NOVA will do what they do and modify / house-rule things.
Lastly, I think it's important to keep in mind that if you do not care for the new mission design; that new, redesigned and refined missions will come. We saw this in 8th with Core to CA:17 to CA:18 to CA:19. If you cannot wait or simply dislike how the new missions pander to the tournament players; 8th edition missions are still perfectly playable.
As Brandt literally works for GW now and although he Technically stepped back from NOVA..
I have a feeling any house rules by nova/itc will just be beta test rules before it’s officially in chapter approved.
There is also the point Gw will be continually adding new missions and not every Tournament mission will make the tournament cut.
Odds are they will just settle on 6 missions to use for each round.
Sigmar has used the (frankly great) GHB missions since the first GHB dropped but every tournament still has house rules that add for flavor...and stop stupid gak like random realm of battle rules.
The balance in AoS has always been off.
Not anywhere as near as bad as 40k. Even with realm of battle not helping things.
BaconCatBug wrote: Honestly I am more excited for the fact it seems that GW want to push bases for all models, including vehicles. I really hope they do that properly and finally make a definitive list of what models should use what bases.
The bases on leman russes look excessive. And bases for battlewagons, baneblades, or the stompa would have to be huge.
Sigmar has used the (frankly great) GHB missions since the first GHB dropped but every tournament still has house rules that add for flavor...and stop stupid gak like random realm of battle rules.
The balance in AoS has always been off.
You mean GW games At least main studio ones. Specialist games have better balance likely because they aren't designed to stay around so no need to create intentional unbalance to keep changing what sells
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Dudeface wrote: The 9th ed General necron thread reminded me that there will be more primaris kits to come off the back of this. The now year old photo of the bikes also showed both a land speeder equivalent and possibly a mid sized tank.
People with space marine allergies take note and brace yourselves.
Even without those pics we would know there's still more marines coming. There's always lots of marines on it's way. That's like saying "sun rises from east".
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HEY GW, ARE YOU EVER GOING TO LET US SEE THE NEW FORGE WORLD BOOKS?
Yes. 12 days before release, just like most releases.
Well yes, obviously, but how much longer until they announce their release so those 12 days can start. They said that the books would be out soon after 9th edition. What exactly is gw's definition of "soon"? This lack of information is aggravating.
Soon? often within 3 months, some times within 3-6 months, just based on general observation anyway. When they talk about soon, it can be months before particular items appear. GW work on long timescales, they can have long-term stuff ready for years before release, other stuff is 'quick' and turns around within 6 months, so soon to them is a long time to us. Remember, people complain to GW when we dont get told whats coming in the future, and then complain again when that stuff doesnt come out instantly
HEY GW, ARE YOU EVER GOING TO LET US SEE THE NEW FORGE WORLD BOOKS?
Yes. 12 days before release, just like most releases.
Well yes, obviously, but how much longer until they announce their release so those 12 days can start. They said that the books would be out soon after 9th edition. What exactly is gw's definition of "soon"? This lack of information is aggravating.
Soon? often within 3 months, some times within 3-6 months, just based on general observation anyway. When they talk about soon, it can be months before particular items appear. GW work on long timescales, they can have long-term stuff ready for years before release, other stuff is 'quick' and turns around within 6 months, so soon to them is a long time to us. Remember, people complain to GW when we dont get told whats coming in the future, and then complain again when that stuff doesnt come out instantly
they said they were going to do the full non index rules for FW units in 8th edition we have already had an edition change and nothing more reassuring then early 9th.
Either step up and support the dang products or stop trying to pretend and admit you have No intention of giving them playable rules.
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Not sure if it's a typo, nor if it's been mentioned already, but I notice that Heavy Bolt Pistol has a 18" range in those datasheets. (12" in the current codex.)
As someone who actually field (and will field even more when Assault Intercessors are launched) plenty of Heavy Bolt Pistols I'm not even sure if I like it.
18" range on Heavy Bolt-pistols just seems ...weird, and yet another kick in the teeth for regular non-Primaris Marines.
BaconCatBug wrote: Honestly I am more excited for the fact it seems that GW want to push bases for all models, including vehicles. I really hope they do that properly and finally make a definitive list of what models should use what bases.
I'm not going to re-read the lunacy that is the last few pages of this thread, but I'd be very surprised if anyone actually said that. Even that one guy banging on about how relatively difficult it might be for an Inquisitor to acquire power armour, I don't think even that guy said that.
HEY GW, ARE YOU EVER GOING TO LET US SEE THE NEW FORGE WORLD BOOKS?
Yes. 12 days before release, just like most releases.
Well yes, obviously, but how much longer until they announce their release so those 12 days can start. They said that the books would be out soon after 9th edition. What exactly is gw's definition of "soon"? This lack of information is aggravating.
Soon? often within 3 months, some times within 3-6 months, just based on general observation anyway. When they talk about soon, it can be months before particular items appear. GW work on long timescales, they can have long-term stuff ready for years before release, other stuff is 'quick' and turns around within 6 months, so soon to them is a long time to us. Remember, people complain to GW when we dont get told whats coming in the future, and then complain again when that stuff doesnt come out instantly
they said they were going to do the full non index rules for FW units in 8th edition we have already had an edition change and nothing more reassuring then early 9th.
Either step up and support the dang products or stop trying to pretend and admit you have No intention of giving them playable rules.
And the Indexes have been unavailable for several months, even the ebooks. So if someone wants to get a fw model and doesn't already have the Indexes they can't use it. Right now gw is selling models without rules being available for them. I can't imagine they'd let that continue for very long.
BaconCatBug wrote: Honestly I am more excited for the fact it seems that GW want to push bases for all models, including vehicles. I really hope they do that properly and finally make a definitive list of what models should use what bases.
Naturally, this means folks are going to extrapolate meaning.
The core rules are fine with based vehicles
It does stop some 'modelling for advantage' issues, as a base being present means you always measure to the base. (though some datasheets, like the Primaris Hovertanks, explicitly tell you to use hull measurements regardless).
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The latest Warcom article confirms that the 40k App will be available this coming friday.
"My Warhammer is also your key to signing into the new Warhammer 40,000 app and accessing all of its invaluable features when it’s released – which we can confirm will be with this Friday! Let the squealing and waving of arms commence."
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: The latest Warcom article confirms that the 40k App will be available this coming friday.
"My Warhammer is also your key to signing into the new Warhammer 40,000 app and accessing all of its invaluable features when it’s released – which we can confirm will be with this Friday! Let the squealing and waving of arms commence."
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: The latest Warcom article confirms that the 40k App will be available this coming friday.
"My Warhammer is also your key to signing into the new Warhammer 40,000 app and accessing all of its invaluable features when it’s released – which we can confirm will be with this Friday! Let the squealing and waving of arms commence."
And the Mywarhammer website has promptly crashed. Good start.
Companies who have been launching hype releases every other year struggle to keep their servers running during the initial onslaughts, did you really think GW would fare any better?
Being able to mitigate such huge spikes is quite expensive, for most companies the damage done by a day one crash doesn't even come close to the cost it takes to prevent something like that.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: The latest Warcom article confirms that the 40k App will be available this coming friday.
"My Warhammer is also your key to signing into the new Warhammer 40,000 app and accessing all of its invaluable features when it’s released – which we can confirm will be with this Friday! Let the squealing and waving of arms commence."
And the Mywarhammer website has promptly crashed. Good start.
Companies who have been launching hype releases every other year struggle to keep their servers running during the initial onslaughts, did you really think GW would fare any better?
Being able to mitigate such huge spikes is quite expensive, for most companies the damage done by a day one crash doesn't even come close to the cost it takes to prevent something like that.
Then really the sensible thing for them to have done is to have launched this morning BST, rather than waiting until all the yanks were awake too. That way demand would have been staggered.
I got access to MyWarhammer just fine, but for now it's just… empty? I created an account, and I can give them my full name, change my password and opt in to receive email ads.
And I have links to the current GW webstore, FW webstore and WarCom.
They didn't say anything about merging current accounts with MyWarhammer accounts?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I got access to MyWarhammer just fine, but for now it's just… empty? I created an account, and I can give them my full name, change my password and opt in to receive email ads.
And I have links to the current GW webstore, FW webstore and WarCom.
They didn't say anything about merging current accounts with MyWarhammer accounts?
They sort of do; one interpretation of the coming soon section indicates that account merger is a future planned feature. Maybe.
Ideally, My Warhammer would become a central account covering GW, FW, BL, and all apps and games. Even more ideally, the £3.99 sub would be a single payment for all ‘premium’ features across each app and site.
It would be perfect if they 1. Allowed 2fa and 2. Ditched their silly password rules in favour of something actually secure like a 20 character minimum.
"Three months? I'm going to go crazy …and I'm taking you with me!"
— Vala Mal Doran
Yeah, the lack of an account merger is a bit of a weird thing not to have ready for launch.
So I'll just have to use a different account to buy White Dwarf digitally, a different account on the web store, and a different account in the 40k app until they fix it?
(Hey, GW, if I'm going to do this can I please save my paint inventory from the paint app to it? Because not having a way to transfer it between Android devices is a huge PITA...)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Sadly merging tech data from different account on different systems (quite probably programmed by different teams) is a recipe for disaster
as many banks, government departments, hospitals etc have found out to their cost
As if that’s not bad enough, unmerging them later is worse as we discovered last year when someone used the pre-merger account numbers to pull the user data, which was fine, then used the pre-merger account table row ids to pull the balances, which only got the right values by sheer coincidence…
"Three months? I'm going to go crazy …and I'm taking you with me!"
— Vala Mal Doran
AduroT wrote: Didn’t I hear Forgeworld lost one of their main dudes or he was otherwise incapacitated?
You're thinking of the Horus Heresy rules team.
Would this be about Alan Bligh? The guy seemed like the heart of FW, I don't think they ever recovered from his loss.
The dude was great. He was literally writing the next imperial armor book on his own time. Fires over cyraxus
They even previewed for a release soon at a worlds event and then he died and the book became vaporware. He wasnt just Horus herey . This book was making rules for 40k for tau, And a lot of ad mech and some heresy marine stuff that never got converted. Lord knows if the new index is taking that initiative.
oni wrote: My opinions on the new missions aside... I am thankful that we (e.g. Straight from the book players, ITC players, NOVA players, etc.) can finally be on the same page.
That said, I still have concerns that ITC and NOVA will do what they do and modify / house-rule things.
Lastly, I think it's important to keep in mind that if you do not care for the new mission design; that new, redesigned and refined missions will come. We saw this in 8th with Core to CA:17 to CA:18 to CA:19. If you cannot wait or simply dislike how the new missions pander to the tournament players; 8th edition missions are still perfectly playable.
As Brandt literally works for GW now and although he Technically stepped back from NOVA..
I have a feeling any house rules by nova/itc will just be beta test rules before it’s officially in chapter approved.
There is also the point Gw will be continually adding new missions and not every Tournament mission will make the tournament cut.
Odds are they will just settle on 6 missions to use for each round.
Sigmar has used the (frankly great) GHB missions since the first GHB dropped but every tournament still has house rules that add for flavor...and stop stupid gak like random realm of battle rules.
The balance in AoS has always been off.
Not anywhere as near as bad as 40k. Even with realm of battle not helping things.
Quite often as bad as 40k, and often even much worse. There was a significant period where 40k was, at least in faction winrates, reaching almost 50/50 balance in most factions. Then space marines happened. This was around the time that slaanesh was just crunching every single AoS army and living around 68ish winrates (If my memory of their winrates are correct). But I don't recall a time where AoS winrates are tracked that some faction isn't overperforming dramatically. The data on AoS is, admittedly, less extensive than 40k's.
AduroT wrote: Didn’t I hear Forgeworld lost one of their main dudes or he was otherwise incapacitated?
You're thinking of the Horus Heresy rules team.
Would this be about Alan Bligh? The guy seemed like the heart of FW, I don't think they ever recovered from his loss.
Three years is a long time to not have some return to normalcy for Forgeworld.
I think it's more likely that Alan Bligh was such an amazing creator that he papered over all the flaws in forge world's management by just shouldering the workload whenever other members of forgeworld dropped the ball, or got too focused on designing the next tank based off a ww2 or ww1 vehicle.
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oni wrote: My opinions on the new missions aside... I am thankful that we (e.g. Straight from the book players, ITC players, NOVA players, etc.) can finally be on the same page.
That said, I still have concerns that ITC and NOVA will do what they do and modify / house-rule things.
Lastly, I think it's important to keep in mind that if you do not care for the new mission design; that new, redesigned and refined missions will come. We saw this in 8th with Core to CA:17 to CA:18 to CA:19. If you cannot wait or simply dislike how the new missions pander to the tournament players; 8th edition missions are still perfectly playable.
As Brandt literally works for GW now and although he Technically stepped back from NOVA..
I have a feeling any house rules by nova/itc will just be beta test rules before it’s officially in chapter approved.
There is also the point Gw will be continually adding new missions and not every Tournament mission will make the tournament cut.
Odds are they will just settle on 6 missions to use for each round.
Sigmar has used the (frankly great) GHB missions since the first GHB dropped but every tournament still has house rules that add for flavor...and stop stupid gak like random realm of battle rules.
The balance in AoS has always been off.
Not anywhere as near as bad as 40k. Even with realm of battle not helping things.
Quite often as bad as 40k, and often even much worse. There was a significant period where 40k was, at least in faction winrates, reaching almost 50/50 balance in most factions. Then space marines happened. This was around the time that slaanesh was just crunching every single AoS army and living around 68ish winrates (If my memory of their winrates are correct). But I don't recall a time where AoS winrates are tracked that some faction isn't overperforming dramatically. The data on AoS is, admittedly, less extensive than 40k's.
Faction winrates are a screwy mechanic to judge balance by in both 40k and AoS simply due to the absolutely enormous gaps in skill that exist even at a tournament level. Even then, I straight up don't believe you that it was anywhere near 50/50 in most factions unless by 'most factions' you meant 'eldar and imperial soup'.
If you look at top 16 and top 32 finishes in big events, Sigmar is and has always been worlds better balanced. Even at Slaanesh's strongest point they were never more than 3 out of the top 16 (even if they did win fairly often) meanwhile marines in general but IH specifically were constantly 10-12 out of 16 for the entire supplement era. It also was capping out at 80% faction winrate before the the first round of nerfs came in and knocked them down to ravenguard's roughly 65-70% winrate (sound familiar?). Slaanesh was the the most OP army release we saw in AoS2 and it was nowhere near as bad as Ironhands and was only on par with post nerf IH and RG Asscents lists before recieving its own round of nerfs that leveled it back off far more effectively than marine nerfs have. Especially with 9th giving marines even more tools to stand above the pack.
You also have the fact that you'll see representation from 10-12 different factions in the top 16 of a Sigmar event whereas you're lucky to have 3-4 factions in a 40k event. This is the bigger problem with 40k balance vs AoS balance. Flesh Eater Courts might be a couple percentage points behind Slaanesh, but taking FEC to a tournament doesn't effectively lock you out of the top 16 the way taking Admech, or Grey Knights, or Nids, or Harlequins, or Necrons, or Space Wolves, or Blood Angels did.
At least main studio ones. Specialist games have better balance likely because they aren't designed to stay around so no need to create intentional unbalance to keep changing what sells
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