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Now I'm hoping that Bladeguard Veterans can be in units of more than 3 when the full datasheet becomes available.
Hmm. There are only three of them. and GW's past precedent in doing 3 model primaris units...
It might go for the 3/6 model of aggressors and the two flyer units.
I first saw this on a Facebook Space Marine group, the poster there said it was from a facebook link to an official GW promotional page. That makes sense given the clarity of the image. I would expect this lot to be "revealed" on Saturday as reveals have already been promised.
As an aside is that mangled bit of wall behind the Bladeguard a new piece?
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I first saw this on a Facebook Space Marine group, the poster there said it was from a facebook link to an official GW promotional page. That makes sense given the clarity of the image. I would expect this lot to be "revealed" on Saturday as reveals have already been promised.
As an aside is that mangled bit of wall behind the Bladeguard a new piece?
Yep, it looks like there is at least one (maybe more) new pieces of Imperial City terrain on the way.
We’re also taking this opportunity to tweak the Power Ratings of a few units in light of the new edition’s rules. We’ll be making those free to download next month, so stay tuned for the latest updates.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
We’re also taking this opportunity to tweak the Power Ratings of a few units in light of the new edition’s rules. We’ll be making those free to download next month, so stay tuned for the latest updates.
Power level changes? Only time I ever saw one of those was when they made the Malanthropes PL 5 early in 8th....
I wonder how many 'a few' will actually be.
PourSpelur wrote: It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
We knew those were coming though. They said that there would be an initial Power adjustment and then they'd start doing them once or so a year or as new books dropped to bring other stuff in line.
Voss wrote: Other than the importance of objectives, that sounds like a lot of wibbly-wobbly non-committal nonsense.
Except the alpha strike bit. That doesn't even make sense with a coin flip after deployment.
Honestly though I give credit to that guy. He actually came out with an honest prediction while the other two were flowery non-statements. He may be wrong but he has my respect for putting himself out there in a way that could be. He didn't bs us like the other two.
Voss wrote: Other than the importance of objectives, that sounds like a lot of wibbly-wobbly non-committal nonsense.
Except the alpha strike bit. That doesn't even make sense with a coin flip after deployment.
Honestly though I give credit to that guy. He actually came out with an honest prediction while the other two were flowery non-statements. He may be wrong but he has my respect for putting himself out there in a way that could be. He didn't bs us like the other two.
You have a point with that, though the 'focus on objectives' is actually useful advice from the second guy, though it admittedly then turns into pure advertising (complete with links). Reece is the only one who went with pure waffling.
Voss wrote: Other than the importance of objectives, that sounds like a lot of wibbly-wobbly non-committal nonsense.
Except the alpha strike bit. That doesn't even make sense with a coin flip after deployment.
8th ed was at it's most alpha strikery when 1st turn was rolled after deployement. Was reduced when people knew who is going first during deployment. Makes perfect sense that when that comes back it goes toward what it was then
Voss wrote: Other than the importance of objectives, that sounds like a lot of wibbly-wobbly non-committal nonsense.
Except the alpha strike bit. That doesn't even make sense with a coin flip after deployment.
8th ed was at it's most alpha strikery when 1st turn was rolled after deployement. Was reduced when people knew who is going first during deployment. Makes perfect sense that when that comes back it goes toward what it was then
Not really.
Aside from the very early, 1st turn Deepstrike days, it's never been more alpha strike-heavy than in the last couple months of ITC when they removed seize.
I suspect that if PL was widely used in matched play then PL data would also not be free.
For now it is clear that GW believes putting points behind a pay wall drives revanue, while PL does not. Which in itself seems to indicate they know which is used more frequently by the community to design lists, guide purchase decisions, and assess balance and value.
"Preach the gospel always, If necessary use words." ~ St. Francis of Assisi
PL is not used in matched play for list building but it is used there for tactical reserves so it has a need for revision as most are wayyyyy out of whack.
I suspect that if PL was widely used in matched play then PL data would also not be free.
For now it is clear that GW believes putting points behind a pay wall drives revanue, while PL does not. Which in itself seems to indicate they know which is used more frequently by the community to design lists, guide purchase decisions, and assess balance and value.
I was a little shocked by the AoSFAQs with points revisions. Could have done the same thing with 9th, and really should going forward.
Not many people are going to want to wait until summer or even winter 2021 for the next round of adjustments if their relevant codex isn't in the next 6-9 months.
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Almost none uses PL so putting them out there for free isn't losing them bank and lets their shills go, "s-see! The old GW would never give anything out for free! What do you mean it's useless? Literally everyone I know uses PL!"
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Almost none uses PL so putting them out there for free isn't losing them bank and lets their shills go, "s-see! The old GW would never give anything out for free! What do you mean it's useless? Literally everyone I know uses PL!"
Or their entire campaign ruleset is based on PL so would be a bit weird not to update it? I love that calling people a shill is the new cool kids term for white knight, what a time to be alive people have to try and be so edgy.
Eh. White knight still sounds edgier and more kiddy than shill.
'Shill' has a cultural legacy, while 'white knight' is still just emo kids posturing about virtue and nobility being 'lame'
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buddha wrote: PL is not used in matched play for list building but it is used there for tactical reserves so it has a need for revision as most are wayyyyy out of whack.
I will enjoy my last couple of games with PL1 grot squads before they get changed to...god, they'll probably be revised to PL3 :^) yep, that sure does seem to make sense on the face of it, yes sir.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
These Bladeguard Veterans look awesome! Wait a minute… these guys aren't in the Indomitus box – must be some sort of time dilation caused by a warp anomaly...
Almost none uses PL so putting them out there for free isn't losing them bank and lets their shills go, "s-see! The old GW would never give anything out for free! What do you mean it's useless? Literally everyone I know uses PL!"
Or their entire campaign ruleset is based on PL so would be a bit weird not to update it? I love that calling people a shill is the new cool kids term for white knight, what a time to be alive people have to try and be so edgy.
A Shill isn't the same as a White Knight. Check the definition of Shill.
I suspect that if PL was widely used in matched play then PL data would also not be free.
For now it is clear that GW believes putting points behind a pay wall drives revanue, while PL does not. Which in itself seems to indicate they know which is used more frequently by the community to design lists, guide purchase decisions, and assess balance and value.
I was a little shocked by the AoSFAQs with points revisions. Could have done the same thing with 9th, and really should going forward.
Not many people are going to want to wait until summer or even winter 2021 for the next round of adjustments if their relevant codex isn't in the next 6-9 months.
You shouldn't have been as they did the same thing last year for those armies that didn't make the cutoff for the book. From Warhammer Community:
Like in last year’s edition, we’ll be ensuring that armies released after the General’s Handbook went to print (that’s everything since Cities of Sigmar) will have their matched play profiles updated for free with a set of downloads in the very near future.
As for Chapter Approved 2021, I expect it to return to it's usual December release date.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Voss wrote: [spoiler]
I was a little shocked by the AoSFAQs with points revisions. Could have done the same thing with 9th, and really should going forward.
Not many people are going to want to wait until summer or even winter 2021 for the next round of adjustments if their relevant codex isn't in the next 6-9 months.
You shouldn't have been as they did the same thing last year for those armies that didn't make the cutoff for the book.
Yeah, I don't keep that close an eye on those things. It just seems a universal thing for AoSFAQs, whenever they started doing it.
Whenever I start getting interested in AoS, they give me reasons not to be (early Lumineth models vs later reveals, or the nagging Old World on square bases thing, which is keeping me from expanding my WFB armies into AoS).
I also expect CA2021 in December, but frankly don't see the need for it. I'm also not terribly convinced that there won't be pushback on keeping the new point values around for that long.
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As for Chapter Approved 2021, I expect it to return to it's usual December release date.
Question is which December
a book in December 2020 makes no sense it would go into printing now
and December 2021 makes it 1.5 years until we get any corrections to the failures of the release
Since we're referring to CA2021, the question of which December pretty much solves itself.
2020 isn't workable, as that already exists and releases in 3 days, and as you note, there wouldn't be time to get it done before this December.
General Kroll wrote: Don’t understand why people are getting so wound up about PL. If you don’t personally play PL games, what does it matter?
Because several things in the ruleset rely on PL, even if you don't use them for army building. Reinforcements, for example. Its worth knowing if reserving your big unit of bikers is going to cost you 2 CP or 3 to bring on the table.
Oh and I haven’t used points since seventh edition. Not everyone are hyper competitive tournament players.
That's... nice to know, I guess? Its a complete non-sequitur, since people who aren't 'hyper competitive tournament players' have been using points in 40k since 1989 or so. (There was a points formula in the original RT rulebook). And points based army lists swiftly followed.
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Almost none uses PL so putting them out there for free isn't losing them bank and lets their shills go, "s-see! The old GW would never give anything out for free! What do you mean it's useless? Literally everyone I know uses PL!"
Or their entire campaign ruleset is based on PL so would be a bit weird not to update it? I love that calling people a shill is the new cool kids term for white knight, what a time to be alive people have to try and be so edgy.
A Shill isn't the same as a White Knight. Check the definition of Shill.
Shill: "an accomplice of a confidence trickster or swindler who poses as a genuine customer to entice or encourage others." Via Oxford dictionary.
White knight via Colins dictionary: "A white knight is a person or an organization that rescues a company from difficulties such as financial problems or an unwelcome takeover bid."
So in context for these forums a white knight is someone buying GW stock to prevent them going under and a shill is someone who financially benefits convincing others to buy from GW.
Well done Dakka on using out of context terminology.
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