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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:20:27
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Fixture of Dakka
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GaroRobe wrote:The Sisters needed another HQ option, so that's good. But another Ad Mech release, even if its just a single model, right after their massive PA release kind of stinks. Unless its one of those models they release in a battle box that takes months to get released separately.
The ork model intrigues me. Especially the squig cloak. It's clearly Snakebite related, since it has their symbol on its guns (albeit two fangs and not a snake), its shirtless, and they tend to like to wear the hides of animals.
Admech getting a single model apart from a major release is par for the course for them. Tech priest manipulation was part od a kill team box, dunerider came with apocalypse. I'm just glad to see one coming finally. And hope it comes with some weapon options.
Bit surprised with the Snakebite ork. Wyrdboy would be more useful in plastic. But new models always good.
If it is lelith, wearing armor is a weird choice for an update. Wyches used to have a sub succubus hq, could be that. DE needs more hqs for each of the three parts of their codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:21:53
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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WhiteDog wrote: They have like 4 month of release with all the supplements. They'll probably put out multiple books per week like they did last time, albeit maybe three a week than the two before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:22:29
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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ERJAK wrote: Sgt_Smudge wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Next you'll be telling me that Deathwing Terminators are not different from regular Terminators
In lore? Not realy. Mixed terminator weapons is normal in lore, and you could easily represent their Deathwing rules through keyword shenanigans tied to their Chapter Tactic.
They're really not as different as many folks make out. and that Death Company are just Assault Marines.
Death Company aren't Assault Marines, no-one's saying that.
Yeah, they're vanguard vets.
Vanguard Vets don't get bolters, and Death Company don't get storm shields, and DC have no squad sergeant, as well as lower leadership? Plus, Death Company don't replace Vanguard Vets in BA lore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:23:06
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Geifer wrote:
If that's really Lelith I foresee complaints along the same lines as Drazhar got, looking fairly indistinguishable from the associated rank and file unit. Hope it's actually, as has been suggested, just an elite Wych.
Have to wait and see (although 95% its Lelith) - but coldly, its hard to make an overly exciting Lelith model - because she is essentially just a wych with two knives and big hair.
Not convinced there is much iconic about her current model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:23:52
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Tyel wrote: Geifer wrote:
If that's really Lelith I foresee complaints along the same lines as Drazhar got, looking fairly indistinguishable from the associated rank and file unit. Hope it's actually, as has been suggested, just an elite Wych.
Have to wait and see (although 95% its Lelith) - but coldly, its hard to make an overly exciting Lelith model - because she is essentially just a wych with two knives and big hair.
Not convinced there is much iconic about her current model.
Bare feet?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:24:43
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Dakka Veteran
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You miiiight want to re-read that unit entry.
He's not wrong. Just one of the Plasma Guns has to be a Combi-plasma.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:25:09
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Platuan4th wrote:Azuza001 wrote:Grey hunters are not tactical marines. They get bolt pistol, chainsword, and bolter. They can not take heavy weapons. A squad of 10 can take 3 plasma guns and a plasma pistol.
You miiiight want to re-read that unit entry.
I just did. For every 5 men in the squad 1 can take a special weapon. Take 9 men and a wolf guard battle leader = 10 men. 2 get plasma guns. Wolf guard gets combi plasma. One additonal can get a plasma pistol. Thats 3 plasma guns and a plasma pistol in a 10 man squad. Sorry if I didn't spell it out completely. :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:25:35
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Justyn wrote:You miiiight want to re-read that unit entry.
He's not wrong. Just one of the Plasma Guns has to be a Combi-plasma.
So not a plasmagun, then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:26:39
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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fine, not a plasma gun, a combi plasma that costs the exact same cost. :p
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:28:15
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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RogueSangre
The Cockatrice Malediction
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Azuza001 wrote:Grey hunters are not tactical marines. They get bolt pistol, chainsword, and bolter. They can not take heavy weapons. A squad of 10 can take 3 plasma guns and a plasma pistol.
Blood claws are not assault marines. They are troops, they have bs of 4, and they get 2 attacks on the charge.
Long fangs can have a max of 7 men in the squad, 5 of them can have heavy wapons and one target of theirs they get reroll 1's vs. They are not a dev squad.
These may seem like little things to you but they actually are different than the normal marine setup which makes the units work differently than normal marines.They always have been.
Just like wolf scouts, they are an elite that outflanks for free instead of forward deployment. They have different weapon options. They are not used in the same way as normal scouts.
Saying death company is more different in a meaningful sense vs wolves special units is just wrong. Its the same thing.
But this is all off topic. I am happy they are going the supplement route for angels / wolves / deathwatch.
But those are all oldmarines. Distinctions that will only be remembered in Legends.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:28:57
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Why wouldn't the supplements have the special datasheets? Don't the current ones have special datasheets? So what is the arguing for?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:29:06
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Dakka Veteran
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So not a plasmagun, then.
Last I checked a Combi-Plasma was a Plasma Gun and a Bolt Gun. You can be pedantic if you want though. Automatically Appended Next Post: Why wouldn't the supplements have the special datasheets? Don't the current ones have special datasheets? So what the arguing for?
There was no mention of new Supplements.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:31:59
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Justyn wrote:So not a plasmagun, then.
Last I checked a Combi-Plasma was a Plasma Gun and a Bolt Gun. You can be pedantic if you want though.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Why wouldn't the supplements have the special datasheets? Don't the current ones have special datasheets? So what the arguing for?
There was no mention of new Supplements.
It says right in the article that DA/ SW/ BA and DW all are getting supplements with their special units in them.
So what is the arguement?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:33:26
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
France
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Azuza001 wrote:Grey hunters are not tactical marines. They get bolt pistol, chainsword, and bolter. They can not take heavy weapons. A squad of 10 can take 3 plasma guns and a plasma pistol.
Blood claws are not assault marines. They are troops, they have bs of 4, and they get 2 attacks on the charge.
Long fangs can have a max of 7 men in the squad, 5 of them can have heavy wapons and one target of theirs they get reroll 1's vs. They are not a dev squad.
These may seem like little things to you but they actually are different than the normal marine setup which makes the units work differently than normal marines.They always have been.
Just like wolf scouts, they are an elite that outflanks for free instead of forward deployment. They have different weapon options. They are not used in the same way as normal scouts.
Saying death company is more different in a meaningful sense vs wolves special units is just wrong. Its the same thing.
But this is all off topic. I am happy they are going the supplement route for angels / wolves / deathwatch.
But those are all oldmarines. Distinctions that will only be remembered in Legends.
Exactly. GW will eventually put all those old marines into legends and the consolidation into the ultramarine codex is a step in this direction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:37:02
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Pious Palatine
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Sgt_Smudge wrote:ERJAK wrote: Sgt_Smudge wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Next you'll be telling me that Deathwing Terminators are not different from regular Terminators
In lore? Not realy. Mixed terminator weapons is normal in lore, and you could easily represent their Deathwing rules through keyword shenanigans tied to their Chapter Tactic.
They're really not as different as many folks make out. and that Death Company are just Assault Marines.
Death Company aren't Assault Marines, no-one's saying that.
Yeah, they're vanguard vets.
Vanguard Vets don't get bolters, and Death Company don't get storm shields, and DC have no squad sergeant, as well as lower leadership? Plus, Death Company don't replace Vanguard Vets in BA lore.
That's a woosh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:39:32
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Dakka Veteran
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It says right in the article that DA/SW/BA and DW all are getting supplements with their special units in them.
So what is the arguement?
Watched the video. Didn't read the Article. Good to know.
Exactly. GW will eventually put all those old marines into legends and the consolidation into the ultramarine codex is a step in this direction.
GW will then release unique Primaris units for those Chapters. Because selling models is their thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:40:38
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Justyn wrote:So not a plasmagun, then.
Last I checked a Combi-Plasma was a Plasma Gun and a Bolt Gun. You can be pedantic if you want though.
Yes, exactly. It's a different weapon that can fire as either or both.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:45:18
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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RogueSangre
The Cockatrice Malediction
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Justyn wrote:It says right in the article that DA/SW/BA and DW all are getting supplements with their special units in them.
So what is the arguement?
Watched the video. Didn't read the Article. Good to know.
Exactly. GW will eventually put all those old marines into legends and the consolidation into the ultramarine codex is a step in this direction.
GW will then release unique Primaris units for those Chapters. Because selling models is their thing.
No doubt they'll get their standalone codices back when/if they get enough unique primaris units to justify it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:47:40
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Or they won't...because they'll still have all the shared units.
Unless you're suggesting they lose access to the shared stuff?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:49:26
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So that's Space Marine codex releases in July 2017, August 2019 and now August(?) 2020 - With this pattern, the next new one should be out in 6 months time
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:49:47
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:51:35
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Lieutenant General
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Slinky wrote:So that's Space Marine codex releases in July 2017, August 2019 and now August(?) 2020 - With this pattern, the next new one should be out in 6 months time 
Codex Space Marines and Codex Necrons are due in October
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 15:55:46
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Justyn wrote:So not a plasmagun, then.
Last I checked a Combi-Plasma was a Plasma Gun and a Bolt Gun. You can be pedantic if you want though.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Why wouldn't the supplements have the special datasheets? Don't the current ones have special datasheets? So what the arguing for?
There was no mention of new Supplements.
For fans of the Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Deathwatch?
If you have one of these armies, good news – not only do you get a shiny new core codex with loads of new toys to play with, but you also have a new codex supplement on the way.
You were saying?
If white scars etc have supplement why on earth those wouldn't?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 16:03:30
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Confessor Of Sins
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kodos wrote:were are those people who said GW will never do that and bring a new Codex within 1 year?
I'm right here and I was right! The last codex was in August 2019 and the new one is October 2020, so 14 months later.
I was also wrong. I said they wouldn't put out a codex at all and just put out some update book. However, I wasn't expecting:
Four new supplements for the chapters who are not codex compliant,
Seven supplements for the followers of the codex and the Black Templars too,
Separate Codexes for Astartes chapters consigned to the waste bin to never live again,
One Codex Space Marines for all the Angels of Death,
One Codex to cover them all,
One Codex of game rules,
One Codex to bring them all,
And under the Codex Astartes bind them,
From the shire of Nottingham where Games Workship dwells.
Sasori wrote:Transcribed Dynasty Codes:
SAUTEKH: RELENTLESS ADVANCE
Each time a morale test is ttaken for a unit with this code, you can re-roll that test.
Instead of following the normal rules for rapid fire weapons, models with this code shooting rapid-fire weapons make double the number of attacks if the shooting model's target is within 18".
When the protocol of the conquering tyrant is used you get both command protocols instead of one.
Suddenly those Gauss Reapers are looking a lot better for at least one Dynasty. Double shots all the time!
Geifer wrote:If that's really Lelith I foresee complaints along the same lines as Drazhar got, looking fairly indistinguishable from the associated rank and file unit. Hope it's actually, as has been suggested, just an elite Wych.
Just did a slow pass on the Durkari model. Small blade in hand. Super long hair. No shoes. Slightly less clothes than the average Wych. This is 99% a plastic Lelith Hesperax given all her "signature" details are on the model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 16:03:41
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Arbitrator wrote: bullyboy wrote:Another issue for me with this is going to be in the timing. It states that the core codex replaces all the marine books bar the current supplements (UM, scars etc). So how long is the gap going to be between Codex Space marines and DA, BA, SW, DW supplements? How will those players use their unique units in that interim? If it's a long time, then it will suck awfully and I'll probably just use the old dex plus PA supplement.
The UM/ WS, etc 'dexes were out very quickly after SM 2.0 dropped. Considering this is a new edition launch where hype and sales are at their biggest, no way are GW going to miss a beat by releasing them later rather than sooner.
Unless you were Salamanders/Fists in which case you waited 3 months.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 16:04:55
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Dakka Veteran
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No doubt they'll get their standalone codices back when/if they get enough unique primaris units to justify it.
My only objection to the Codex/Supplement model is I don't want to buy more books. Especially when most of the books are filler.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 16:06:30
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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BrotherGecko wrote:Justyn wrote:So not a plasmagun, then.
Last I checked a Combi-Plasma was a Plasma Gun and a Bolt Gun. You can be pedantic if you want though.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Why wouldn't the supplements have the special datasheets? Don't the current ones have special datasheets? So what the arguing for?
There was no mention of new Supplements.
It says right in the article that DA/ SW/ BA and DW all are getting supplements with their special units in them.
So what is the arguement?
Only issue I see is the gap between Codex; generic and each supplement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 16:07:27
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Confessor Of Sins
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If they follow the last roll out, you will get two Codex Supplements the same time as the supplement release and two more the next point. So that covers everyone, Blood Angeles, Dark Angels, Deathwatch, and Space Wolves. I suspect people can live that long to get their supplements.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 16:14:02
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Nostromodamus wrote:Dudeface wrote: Nostromodamus wrote:That Angron tease seems fake. “Site” instead of “cite”.
If that really did make it into the rulebook then damn...
Angron was being summoned on armageddon in the 8th ed rulebook, it's not new information.
GW QC in full effect then
What are you talking about? The part of the text where it says [a location] was the site of a battle? Are you seriously suggesting it should instead be a “cite?”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/25 16:24:31
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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alextroy wrote:If they follow the last roll out, you will get two Codex Supplements the same time as the supplement release and two more the next point. So that covers everyone, Blood Angeles, Dark Angels, Deathwatch, and Space Wolves. I suspect people can live that long to get their supplements.
You're probably right, but I'm hoping they release the supplements at the same time as the codex so they can finally get around to something else besides loyalists. Anything else. Well, except tau.
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