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 Togusa wrote:

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
If we don't get new flayed ones I'm going to be a bit sad. That was the one kit that needed an update more than all others. Anyway, a lot more melee options now. It's going to be interesting how they define the roles for everything.

I think they'll definitely stand out if they aren't updated, but...

Honestly, they're a junk unit with no real role, no delivery method and, sadly, the durability of wet tissue.
With so many new melee, options, they're going to be worth even less than they currently are.

Even if they are updated, I probably wouldn't take them, simply because their aesthetic doesn't fit. And I find their fluff atrocious. That they're also just bad is kind of an afterthought.

They would make sense as a cheap core unit. You are right that if they don't get updated, they might just get replaced with something else.

They might just get removed in favor of these new cc crons we've been shown. It's happened before with the Human/Necron Cyborg things.

Considering Flayed Ones showed up in the WarComm short stories for Pariah I very much doubt that.

Jack Flask wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
If we don't get new flayed ones I'm going to be a bit sad. That was the one kit that needed an update more than all others. Anyway, a lot more melee options now. It's going to be interesting how they define the roles for everything.

I think they'll definitely stand out if they aren't updated, but...

Honestly, they're a junk unit with no real role, no delivery method and, sadly, the durability of wet tissue.
With so many new melee, options, they're going to be worth even less than they currently are.

Even if they are updated, I probably wouldn't take them, simply because their aesthetic doesn't fit. And I find their fluff atrocious. That they're also just bad is kind of an afterthought.

They would make sense as a cheap core unit. You are right that if they don't get updated, they might just get replaced with something else.

They might just get removed in favor of these new cc crons we've been shown. It's happened before with the Human/Necron Cyborg things.

Considering Flayed Ones showed up in the WarComm short stories for Pariah I very much doubt that.

I don't think things showing up in the lore is going to always correlate with protecting a kit. It really depends on how much GW wants to remove Finecast from this line.

I don't think Flayed ones are going to disappear. GW is filling out the necron line. Doesn't make sense that they'd ditch a viable unit

punisher357 wrote:
I don't think Flayed ones are going to disappear. GW is filling out the necron line. Doesn't make sense that they'd ditch a viable unit

Well, they haven't been a viable unit for a long time.
I don't think they'll actually do it (for one thing they were just in a story), but given how many units they're adding that might actually have a chance to get into combat, now would be the perfect time to ax a redundant unit.
Especially, given how the last attempt at the models turned out. An expansion of the range is a great time to cut the chaff that doesn't measure up.

Similarly, if the new 'c'tan shard' actually is one, and turns out to be somewhat customizable, it'd be the perfect time to toss the Deceiver and Nightbringer in the bin.

I want Flayed ones in the new book with good rules and new good models.

Otherwise I'll scrounge ebay for the old ones and pine for days past.

 Insectum7 wrote:
I want Flayed ones in the new book with good rules and new good models.

That'd be optimal, but given how much we've seen (even of the old stuff), flayed ones and the current destroyer kit have real question marks hanging over them.

We've at least seen a new related destroyer-form (though to me it looks significantly bigger, which makes me suspect an HQ or elite solo model)


I think I'd honestly feel worse about the current kit and rules sticking around then being axed completely. Just that bad.

Aye, the current Flayed One models are just an embarassment. It's also too bad they suffered from the same "lessening" that the Warriors got, too.

I suspect Destroyers might be getting re-done. A mixed kit that built both standard and heavy Destroyers would be nice, as the finecast Heavy upgrade is a nightmare.

I'm really fond of the old Heavy Destroyer design though. Back in the day I had six of the metals and really liked them as a unit both model and game-wise.

 Sasori wrote:

Jack Flask wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
If we don't get new flayed ones I'm going to be a bit sad. That was the one kit that needed an update more than all others. Anyway, a lot more melee options now. It's going to be interesting how they define the roles for everything.

I think they'll definitely stand out if they aren't updated, but...

Honestly, they're a junk unit with no real role, no delivery method and, sadly, the durability of wet tissue.
With so many new melee, options, they're going to be worth even less than they currently are.

Even if they are updated, I probably wouldn't take them, simply because their aesthetic doesn't fit. And I find their fluff atrocious. That they're also just bad is kind of an afterthought.

They would make sense as a cheap core unit. You are right that if they don't get updated, they might just get replaced with something else.

They might just get removed in favor of these new cc crons we've been shown. It's happened before with the Human/Necron Cyborg things.

Considering Flayed Ones showed up in the WarComm short stories for Pariah I very much doubt that.

I don't think things showing up in the lore is going to always correlate with protecting a kit. It really depends on how much GW wants to remove Finecast from this line.

Correct, they also had Deathmarks, and we know for sure they aren't being replace/updated. It's just the green rods and finecast.

Great thread guys! This is exactly what I needed to get hyped and start yet another Xenos army

Is there anywhere a list with what is it gonna be in the 9th ed boxing set?

Dont get hyped too much. Looking at the trailer, new necrons will be weaker than SM and SOB. There are lots more necrons killed than SM and SOB. Not a single necron regenerates, and the new melee destroyer with its hyperphase sword fails to kill anything. I know its just a cinematic trailer, but i think there will be some truth in it.

I also dont understand why everything has to get bigger. Makes it harder to transport, and probably more expensive.

 p5freak wrote:
Dont get hyped too much. Looking at the trailer, new necrons will be weaker than SM and SOB. There are lots more necrons killed than SM and SOB. Not a single necron regenerates, and the new melee destroyer with its hyperphase sword fails to kill anything. I know its just a cinematic trailer, but i think there will be some truth in it.

I also dont understand why everything has to get bigger. Makes it harder to transport, and probably more expensive.

You can't be serious.
The trailer is just an advertisement. Trying to say that's a reference point for actual rules is as bad as people constantly crying about "one space marine should be able to kill 20 *insert unit name here*".

We have plenty of reasons to be excited and even more things to wonder about. It's smart to temper your expectations, but there's no point in staring at a mud puddle long enough that it looks like an ocean. We have resculpts, new models, new rules, and a new edition. We're a lower tier army right now. We don't have a lot to lose. The sky isn't falling anytime soon.

So I noticed a lot in the spoiler image that was posted by GW on Sunday.

There is something behind the closest new Monolith, below the Doom Scyth, could that be a new character? Or could it be new Flayed Ones?

It looks to me like there are two different walkers, the one closest to use looks like it's on a much large base than the smaller one on the right.

In the far back right, I can clearly see new Terrain pieces too.

 Togusa wrote:
So I noticed a lot in the spoiler image that was posted by GW on Sunday.

There is something behind the closest new Monolith, below the Doom Scyth, could that be a new character? Or could it be new Flayed Ones?

It looks to me like there are two different walkers, the one closest to use looks like it's on a much large base than the smaller one on the right.

In the far back right, I can clearly see new Terrain pieces too.

Yup. All that has been brought up in prior posts. I'm not 100% sure if the 2 walkers are different base sizes or if it's an illusion created by perspective and photoshop.

punisher357 wrote:

You can't be serious.
The trailer is just an advertisement. Trying to say that's a reference point for actual rules is as bad as people constantly crying about "one space marine should be able to kill 20 *insert unit name here*".

Only a fool would think that any xenos race would be stronger than the imperium. Yes, SM were weak before, but those times are over. If GW really wanted to hype up new necrons they would have shown them killing everything.

 p5freak wrote:
Not a single necron regenerates.

Well half a necron corpse crawls over to the sister and attacks her, there's certainly a nod to their durability

And the Skorpekh (who has already eaten several point-blank bolt shells and didnt give a feth) continues trying to fight with a Chainsword reving through it's torso, so there's also that

Are we seriously speculating on rules based on a short announcement video?

When did such films ever represent in-game power levels.

They dont, but since it's been brought up, it's always fun to provide counterpoints.

The space marines are the poster boys of 40k, they will never willingly show them getting their butts kicked. The only media I can remember doing this is the intro to Dark crusade which really showed of the necrons strength and that's was probably just to sell the DLC

Anyone belive there will be a new ghost ark model since there will be new warriors?

 Insectum7 wrote:
Aye, the current Flayed One models are just an embarassment. It's also too bad they suffered from the same "lessening" that the Warriors got, too.

Yeah, I've been thinking about that. I kinda hope warriors (and flayed ones) get their armor back and immortals get their toughness back. 8th turned out to be far too lethal for a defensive nerf.
Not holding my breath, but that would be nice and a real fix to reanimation protocols would be required

I suspect Destroyers might be getting re-done. A mixed kit that built both standard and heavy Destroyers would be nice, as the finecast Heavy upgrade is a nightmare.

The Uber-destroyer is throwing me off, to be honest. I'm hoping he's a new destroyer lord with weapon options and there will also be a destroyer kit that handles both regular destroyers (and maybe some other weapon options). It seems likely just to shed the green rods out of the supply chain entirely. Not keep them (and finecast) around for one kit.


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Aza'Gorod wrote:The space marines are the poster boys of 40k, they will never willingly show them getting their butts kicked. The only media I can remember doing this is the intro to Dark crusade which really showed of the necrons strength and that's was probably just to sell the DLC

Well, we get to see a space marine utterly murderized by scarabs, and others zotted by bog standard warriors, so that's fun.


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 FrozenDwarf wrote:
Anyone belive there will be a new ghost ark model since there will be new warriors?

Nope. Everything from the last update will likely stay as is.

Necrons are making out like bandits with new stuff and updates- the scale of this update is pretty staggering. I'm curious how long it will take (how many months and waves)

 p5freak wrote:
Dont get hyped too much. Looking at the trailer, new necrons will be weaker than SM and SOB. There are lots more necrons killed than SM and SOB. Not a single necron regenerates, and the new melee destroyer with its hyperphase sword fails to kill anything. I know its just a cinematic trailer, but i think there will be some truth in it.

I also dont understand why everything has to get bigger. Makes it harder to transport, and probably more expensive.

Did you miss the part where Crabby Stabby Daddy steps on a Sister of Battle? He put is leg right through her, total penetration! LOL

Didn't some marines and sisters get killed during that battle too? Pretty sure a Crabby Stabby bisected a few.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Didn't some marines and sisters get killed during that battle too? Pretty sure a Crabby Stabby bisected a few.

Yeah, not sure what trailer that guy watched, but Several Marines get killed by Guass and scarabs during the charge Scene, and the new Melee Destroyer kill at least two space marines with it's sword.

 p5freak wrote:
Dont get hyped too much. Looking at the trailer, new necrons will be weaker than SM and SOB. There are lots more necrons killed than SM and SOB. Not a single necron regenerates, and the new melee destroyer with its hyperphase sword fails to kill anything. I know its just a cinematic trailer, but i think there will be some truth in it.

Hilariously, Sisters of Battle apparently have superior repair-mechanics to Necrons.

 p5freak wrote:
I also dont understand why everything has to get bigger. Makes it harder to transport, and probably more expensive.

So much this. You shouldn't have to resort to making a given character 10 times larger than anything else just to make it stand out.

I’m not even a Necron player and I got stupid jealous and green with envy when I saw that trailer

Like damn

Regards destroyers I think the chunky one we've seen might be the only one. I'm thinking the big fella covers both normal and heavy version, with varying gun profiles.

Likewise I think the tripod ones might also take the slot of the regular ones.

Dudeface wrote:
Regards destroyers I think the chunky one we've seen might be the only one. I'm thinking the big fella covers both normal and heavy version, with varying gun profiles.

Likewise I think the tripod ones might also take the slot of the regular ones.

I'm hoping the kit makes different types of ranged destroyers. Having one kit with one gun, even it's a multi-mode often kind of sucks, because you are paying points for modes you won't often use.

 p5freak wrote:

I also dont understand why everything has to get bigger. Makes it harder to transport, and probably more expensive.

I think you answered your own question. Also that it's more of a pain to 3d print probably doesn't hurt.

My guess is the new Scorpekh destroyers and Lords and a new dynasty (hopefully you wont have to play that dynasty to use them) and we will still have the old destroyers in a dual kit as people have already said