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I'm guessing they are removed, but we may get to do some more rolls in the command phase to bring back more models Rites may also have something to do with bringing back lost models.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Claas wrote:
So this is sounding good, rolling after killed is a good thing.

A unit of 20 warriors just became insanely durable.

I was told only marines get buffs. I am disappointed in GW.

Necrons are going to essentially have 4+/5 FNP accross the board on all their infantry...Aint no one gonna complain. I know I won't my crons are up and running.

Necron RP basically being a Graia type mechanic I think is great and really blunts the multi-dmg meta and makes them feel different from Death Guard.

Aura Changes: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/16/core-units-and-characters/

This overall is a pretty major change. It's very likely a netbuff for us since most of our auras have moved to targeted abilities.

 Sasori wrote:
Aura Changes: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/16/core-units-and-characters/

This overall is a pretty major change. It's very likely a netbuff for us since most of our auras have moved to targeted abilities.

No?

Its a downgrade from Edge of Silence. MWBD and Relentless March (the latter of which is an aura) could affect everything in the army, assuming it was <dynasty>. Either one (or both) switching to Core-only is a straight nerf.
Previously you could hit Wraiths with MWBD to make them better in combat. Now, if this switches to Core only, that's likely out the window (unless wraiths are Core, which I really don't expect).


In general I think this is a good change for the game, but smaller target selection for abilities isn't a 'net buff' in any way.

Voss wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Aura Changes: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/16/core-units-and-characters/

This overall is a pretty major change. It's very likely a netbuff for us since most of our auras have moved to targeted abilities.

No?

Its a downgrade from Edge of Silence. MWBD and Relentless March (the latter of which is an aura) could affect everything in the army, assuming it was <dynasty>. Either one (or both) switching to Core-only is a straight nerf.
Previously you could hit Wraiths with MWBD to make them better in combat. Now, if this switches to Core only, that's likely out the window (unless wraiths are Core, which I really don't expect).


In general I think this is a good change for the game, but smaller target selection for abilities isn't a 'net buff' in any way.

MWBD is targeted, so it's not affected by this change, as are our other targeted abilities. Only Auras are affected by the core change per the article. With the only aura that appears to be really sticking around is Relentless March. Relentless March is a good aura, but pretty minor compared to our targeted abilities.

Due to ours being targeted abilities, this means it's an overall netbuff as armies like Marines appear to still be relying on their Auras.

Yeah, sorry, 'net buff' to me means the army is gaining something from the change. Not that someone else is losing something. If you're fighting tyranids, eldar or whoever, the fact that marines lost something makes no difference at all. (And tyranids and eldar have few aura abilities, and the ones they have are on models that don't necessarily show up in lists)

The overall effect of this change on the necron army that is certain is the new Relentless March ability affects fewer Necron units. That's a nerf.

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And the article focuses on auras. But it does not say that other abilities won't be at all affected by this Core keyword.

Voss wrote:
Yeah, sorry, 'net buff' to me means the army is gaining something from the change. Not that someone else is losing something. If you're fighting tyranids, eldar or whoever, the fact that marines lost something makes no difference at all. (And tyranids and eldar have few aura abilities, and the ones they have are on models that don't necessarily show up in lists)

The overall effect of this change on the necron army that is certain is the new Relentless March ability affects fewer Necron units. That's a nerf.

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And the article focuses on auras. But it does not say that other abilities won't be at all affected by this Core keyword.

Okay, I think we're just splitting hairs on what netbuff means. If other armies are going to get hit harder by us, I consider that a buff on the competitive sense as that makes our army better. Especially since marines are the most prolific army in tournaments. A rules change that has a minor affect on us, and a major nerf effect on them to me works out as a net buff.


I think they would have called out if targeted abilities getting this as well. It seems like this was put in just to help reign in auras.

We'll see in October. WarCom's track record on previews is nearly 100% when it comes to 'don't reveal everything, save something for the reveal (or leaks) of the actual book.'

I'm expecting them to not make CANOPTEK units CORE, and, as someone suggested somewhere else, "CORE if", like if there's a new CANOPTEK HQ, they might have a rule "all CANOPTEK units gain the CORE keyword if this model is your Warlord.", similar for Destroyer Lords, foot lords, etc.

Looks like the Royal Warden is gaining relentless march as well

 Blndmage wrote:
I'm expecting them to not make CANOPTEK units CORE, and, as someone suggested somewhere else, "CORE if", like if there's a new CANOPTEK HQ, they might have a rule "all CANOPTEK units gain the CORE keyword if this model is your Warlord.", similar for Destroyer Lords, foot lords, etc.

Note that your Warlord is not required to be an HQ choice, but it is required to be a CHARACTER (if your army has any).

 Ghaz wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:
I'm expecting them to not make CANOPTEK units CORE, and, as someone suggested somewhere else, "CORE if", like if there's a new CANOPTEK HQ, they might have a rule "all CANOPTEK units gain the CORE keyword if this model is your Warlord.", similar for Destroyer Lords, foot lords, etc.

Note that your Warlord is not required to be an HQ choice, but it is required to be a CHARACTER (if your army has any).

Not even that!
Your Warlord can be any model, BUT, you only get a Warlord Trait if they're a character.
You could have your Monolith be your Warlord, but it gets no Trait.
You can even pick a C'tan (named or Transcendent) as your Warlord, but they have rule stopping them from getting a Trait. (I've done this a few times for lore heavy games.

It makes me wonder if the Overlord is losing Relentless March to be replaced by something else.

 Bosskelot wrote:
It makes me wonder if the Overlord is losing Relentless March to be replaced by something else.

The Overlord may be getting a bit of a points hike or to account for his wargear, as it looks like he's now power level 6. I could see both the Overlord and Royal Warden getting relentless march. It makes sense, and is a nice little buff that was sorley needed for the Warden. Let's also hope they move him over to the Elite slot a long with Lords....

That picture has the Overlord listed with the Nanoscarab casket.

Thats a phylactery relic...

This just gets better and better imo

 Blndmage wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:
I'm expecting them to not make CANOPTEK units CORE, and, as someone suggested somewhere else, "CORE if", like if there's a new CANOPTEK HQ, they might have a rule "all CANOPTEK units gain the CORE keyword if this model is your Warlord.", similar for Destroyer Lords, foot lords, etc.

Note that your Warlord is not required to be an HQ choice, but it is required to be a CHARACTER (if your army has any).

Not even that!
Your Warlord can be any model, BUT, you only get a Warlord Trait if they're a character.
You could have your Monolith be your Warlord, but it gets no Trait.
You can even pick a C'tan (named or Transcendent) as your Warlord, but they have rule stopping them from getting a Trait. (I've done this a few times for lore heavy games.

From bullet point 8 on page 251 of the Core Rules:

Which model in your army is your Warlord. This must be a model with the CHARACTER keyword (if your army has any)

And from page 280 of the Core Rules:

Details of how to select a WARLORD and what information your army roster must contain can be found on pages 238 and 251 respectively.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:
I'm expecting them to not make CANOPTEK units CORE, and, as someone suggested somewhere else, "CORE if", like if there's a new CANOPTEK HQ, they might have a rule "all CANOPTEK units gain the CORE keyword if this model is your Warlord.", similar for Destroyer Lords, foot lords, etc.

Note that your Warlord is not required to be an HQ choice, but it is required to be a CHARACTER (if your army has any).

Not even that!
Your Warlord can be any model, BUT, you only get a Warlord Trait if they're a character.
You could have your Monolith be your Warlord, but it gets no Trait.
You can even pick a C'tan (named or Transcendent) as your Warlord, but they have rule stopping them from getting a Trait. (I've done this a few times for lore heavy games.

From bullet point 8 on page 251 of the Core Rules:

Which model in your army is your Warlord. This must be a model with the CHARACTER keyword (if your army has any)

And from page 280 of the Core Rules:

Details of how to select a WARLORD and what information your army roster must contain can be found on pages 238 and 251 respectively.

Dammit! I really liked that aspect.
Well you can still have a C'tan Warlord, they just get no Traits.

Dying to know what the quantum orb is!

Claas wrote:
Dying to know what the quantum orb is!

Yeah, I haven't seen anyone mention what it does yet. Maybe it wasn't used in the battle report or something.


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Someone was able to pull some snippits from the first codex teaser, and it looks some of the psychic powers do have the core word.

Looks like we may not be out of the woods yet with stuff like MWBD. Going to be a sad day if our single target ability gets subjected to this.

 Sasori wrote:

Claas wrote:
Dying to know what the quantum orb is!

Yeah, I haven't seen anyone mention what it does yet. Maybe it wasn't used in the battle report or something.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Someone was able to pull some snippits from the first codex teaser, and it looks some of the psychic powers do have the core word.

Looks like we may not be out of the woods yet with stuff like MWBD. Going to be a sad day if our single target ability gets subjected to this.

The chronometron in the preview works for any dynasty unit. I think MWBD will work the same way

Looks like the Hexmark comes with an alternate head (bottom right)

Oh, cool spot. I think I like the first head better, but it is nice to have alternatives.

Marshal Loss wrote:Looks like the Hexmark comes with an alternate head (bottom right)

Spoiler:

Sasori wrote:Oh, cool spot. I think I like the first head better, but it is nice to have alternatives.

I believe I like the alternate head better. The original looks too much like a clock face missing it's hands

 Sasori wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:
It makes me wonder if the Overlord is losing Relentless March to be replaced by something else.

The Overlord may be getting a bit of a points hike or to account for his wargear, as it looks like he's now power level 6. I could see both the Overlord and Royal Warden getting relentless march. It makes sense, and is a nice little buff that was sorley needed for the Warden. Let's also hope they move him over to the Elite slot a long with Lords....

What an amazing battle report! Using everything out of the box we already know about!

We were able to glean quite a bit from the battle report. I was pretty happy with it.

Literally the picture you quoted has information we didn't know before (the Overlord can take the Nanoscarab Casket now). That's also where we got our first real confirmation of what the new RP does.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Literally the picture you quoted has information we didn't know before (the Overlord can take the Nanoscarab Casket now).

To be fair, that's contingent on the team actually playing their own rules correctly.


Regarding RPs, I'm curious as to whether models will still revive with full wounds. If so, it will create odd situations wherein a model can be shot and yet end up on more wounds than it started with! However, if they don't revive with full wounds, then that seems like it will cause a separate issue in that the shooting rules still don't consider the possibility that a unit could have multiple wounded models at the same time.

 vipoid wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Literally the picture you quoted has information we didn't know before (the Overlord can take the Nanoscarab Casket now).

To be fair, that's contingent on the team actually playing their own rules correctly.


Regarding RPs, I'm curious as to whether models will still revive with full wounds. If so, it will create odd situations wherein a model can be shot and yet end up on more wounds than it started with! However, if they don't revive with full wounds, then that seems like it will cause a separate issue in that the shooting rules still don't consider the possibility that a unit could have multiple wounded models at the same time.

They currently come back on full wounds and can't see it changing tbh.

Just dawned on me though that assumingly nightbringer and deceiver will be stuck in failcrap forever more.

Dudeface wrote:

Just dawned on me though that assumingly nightbringer and deceiver will be stuck in failcrap forever more.

Unlikely, it will just take time. The Eldar Avatar is also still finecast. They'll all end up greater demon size, its just a question of waiting for a lot. With the new Void Dragon and Silent King and Obilisk Necrons already got several big new kits this edition already.

Plus who knows new Ctan might be next year. They already held back and surprised us with new flayed ones.