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Well, the Lockhurst HD looks bulky, a heavy model that can do some serious damage.
How will it be priced?

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, the Lockhurst HD looks bulky, a heavy model that can do some serious damage.
How will it be priced?

I'd love to say £25 - but you know its probably going to be £35, maybe even £40.

Really like the look of the Enmitic Exterminator - but as said repeatedly, the rules look rubbish unless there is a special enmitic rule they have thus far kept under wraps.

Tyel wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, the Lockhurst HD looks bulky, a heavy model that can do some serious damage.
How will it be priced?

I'd love to say £25 - but you know its probably going to be £35, maybe even £40.

Really like the look of the Enmitic Exterminator - but as said repeatedly, the rules look rubbish unless there is a special enmitic rule they have thus far kept under wraps.

Because it is ETB, so I guess that its price should be £25 at most.

Tyel wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, the Lockhurst HD looks bulky, a heavy model that can do some serious damage.
How will it be priced?

I'd love to say £25 - but you know its probably going to be £35, maybe even £40.

Really like the look of the Enmitic Exterminator - but as said repeatedly, the rules look rubbish unless there is a special enmitic rule they have thus far kept under wraps.

Let's hope that the Lockhurst HD's can be fielded in squadrons.

I like the Gauss Destructor more than the Enmitic gun aesthetically.

The Enmitic weapon looks silly, way too bulky.

With the way it looks you'd think it'd do more than AP-1 D1

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
With the new stats for the tomb spider.
If the cost remains the same - I think we are looking at possibly the best melee unit in all of 40k.
5 attacks at str 8 ap-3 with flat 2 damage
Sure it only hits on 4's BUT these are only 50 points currently.

A unit of 3 has 18 wounds t6 with 3+ save. For 150 points. 155 if you take the repair ability (which you should).

Seems viable honestly.

So, for 155 points, you get 18 T6 3+ wounds that dish out 15 WS4+ S8 AP-3 D2 attacks, plus a minor repair ability. Assuming points stay the same.

Under that same assumption, you get 10 T4 2+/4++ wounds that dish out 16 S8 AP-3 D2 attacks, hitting on 4s, on a chassis that moves 12". And is less vulnerable to high damage weapons.

What unit are you comparing them to? Also T 4 is much more vulnerable to str 4 and str 5 weapons...I consider that weaker. The repair ability might be minor but could also turn out crucial.


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 Blndmage wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
With the new stats for the tomb spider.
If the cost remains the same - I think we are looking at possibly the best melee unit in all of 40k.
5 attacks at str 8 ap-3 with flat 2 damage
Sure it only hits on 4's BUT these are only 50 points currently.

A unit of 3 has 18 wounds t6 with 3+ save. For 150 points. 155 if you take the repair ability (which you should).

Seems viable honestly.

Unless you can easily see which one has a Fabricator Claw, I'd suggest taking it on all 3, then you can have a pretty big repair bubble.
Like the Glom Prism, they're per model, not unit, upgrades.

Not a terrible idea. Not only is the bubble bigger they can repair more stuff!


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I like the Gauss Destructor more than the Enmitic gun aesthetically.

The Enmitic weapon looks silly, way too bulky.

I love the look of that gun perosnally. The stats of the weapon...not happy with. I thought this was going to be double profiles for the heavy gauss destructor.

Apologies if asked previously - I am not reading 70+ pages of posts - but is anyone actually going to field The Silent King?

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Apologies if asked previously - I am not reading 70+ pages of posts - but is anyone actually going to field The Silent King?

Frankly we don't know anything about what he actually does aside from the very, very basic stat block leaked.
Without his weapon profiles, his special abilities, wargear, and points cost. Just too soon to say.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Apologies if asked previously - I am not reading 70+ pages of posts - but is anyone actually going to field The Silent King?

I have only seen his stat line. Which is like 16 wounds...with okay stats and a nice weapon with not a lot of attacks. I don't like his dynasty ether. So unless he has some amazing aura buff or some other insane ability...I doubt it. The Monolith though...Hells yeah. 4 Doom scythe guns? Yes pls.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Apologies if asked previously - I am not reading 70+ pages of posts - but is anyone actually going to field The Silent King?

He looks to be a buff machine from his description so we need to see the whole book to understand if his force multiplication will be worth it compared to taking more units instead.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Apologies if asked previously - I am not reading 70+ pages of posts - but is anyone actually going to field The Silent King?

lol, no.

In the live stream where they revealed his stat block they said he's the single strongest unit in the game (outside of apocalypse im assuming) and can easily stand toe to toe with the various primarchs.

I'm betting The silent king will have some c'tan powers. Similar to the tesseract vault


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 MoonlightSonata wrote:
In the live stream where they revealed his stat block they said he's the single strongest unit in the game (outside of apocalypse im assuming) and can easily stand toe to toe with the various primarchs.

That would be nice, but if it's true don't expect it to last. Chances are if he's that strong then he's unbalanced.

 vipoid wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Apologies if asked previously - I am not reading 70+ pages of posts - but is anyone actually going to field The Silent King?

lol, no.

Care to elaborate why? From the tiny bits of info we have, its hard to say, he's certainly not "lol" worthy.

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
In the live stream where they revealed his stat block they said he's the single strongest unit in the game (outside of apocalypse im assuming) and can easily stand toe to toe with the various primarchs.

GW sometimes doesn't really udnerstand what makes units powerful. They could be right but...GW probably thinks landraiders are powerful too. So there is that. We have not seen his weapons yet - that could make a big difference. For example if he ignores invune saves with a flat 3/4 weapon AP -4. Hes gonna be a slayer.

Dudeface wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Apologies if asked previously - I am not reading 70+ pages of posts - but is anyone actually going to field The Silent King?

lol, no.

Care to elaborate why? From the tiny bits of info we have, its hard to say, he's certainly not "lol" worthy.

Sure.

- I'm not a fan of special characters in general, and even less so when they seem to hoover up all the interesting rules and wargear.

- I loathe these stupid diorama models that GW seems to love. I'm sure they look nice in someone's display case, but on the table I just find them tiresome. And I'll be buggered if I'm carrying that monstrosity into games.

- Even as a diorama, I just find the Silent King completely uninspired. So he's a slightly bigger Overlord with a fancy cape and a Lollipop of Light. zzzzzzz. What's more, I had no idea that those random dudes either side of him were supposed to be important, named characters until I saw a passing mention of such in an article. Their designs are so boring that I mistook them for the same sort of random Necron pilots that CCBs have.

Put simply, for me it makes no difference whether his rules are good or bad because there's no way in hell I'm buying that model.

Pretty much exactly the same as vipoid.

SCs are bad evil wrong fun, or so GW spent 20 years telling me. They can't take that back.

The model is uninspired.

The model is stupidly impractical. Both as a game piece (which GW seems to forget a lot with special characters) and as a setting piece- why is he floating around in a balcony, exactly? Which wouldn't be quite so terrible if it looked good, but... no.

Fluffwise, I have no idea what they're doing with this guy, even if I liked SCs. Previously he was a background guy who burned his absolute control of his people and left the galaxy in penance. Now he's a mustache twirling insane megalomaniac, because reasons.

Also from a game point of view, ~200+ point characters just seem daft to me. Heavy fire magnet and they're gone. I'd rather have another unit or two. Being locked into a subfaction (rather than picking one I find interesting) doesn't help either.

^As Vipod and Voss above. I don't like special characters and the model is less than inspiring.

If the rules are good it might be cool to make a custom C'tan stand-in model.

I'm hoping the silent King has stats on and off his ride like logan Grimnar but I'm finding it unlikely

VanVets with Powerfists and Storm Shields.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Apologies if asked previously - I am not reading 70+ pages of posts - but is anyone actually going to field The Silent King?

Yes, as I like the model, I will definitely field him regardless of his rule.

 Insectum7 wrote:
^As Vipod and Voss above. I don't like special characters and the model is less than inspiring.

If the rules are good it might be cool to make a custom C'tan stand-in model.

I think GW is getting better with characters. The Space Marine characters that are below 150 points are okay, it is the Demi-God characters that they need to work on. Units that cost 300+ are discriminated against by players because people naturally fire everything at them.

We need to put some respect on the Silent King's name! The buffs and offense we are not sure about but the durability is potentially crazy if this thing gets a 4+ invulnerable save, Quantum Shielding, living metal, must take out the Menhir first (10 wounds) that's a great start.

Don't like the special characters in their current form because then the background of their entire faction revolves around them when they outclass any generic character. That shrinks the apparent scale of the universe if it is just a handful of named characters running around and bumping into each other all the time, but never really killing each other off. It becomes like those superhero vs superhero movies. Lots of scenery gets destroyed but that's about it.

I will 100% buy the Silent King, but like as people said mainly for display. I joined the hobby more as a collector/painter and started gaming after.

I too hate fielding SC's, I like to have my own story and a SC ruins that for me, however I will field him occasionally if someone fields a primarch or something just to get the dust off the model.

I can see peoples points about the model, I agree with some to an extent, but overall I like it, to me it feels like it should.

That's just my 2 cents though, I'm more concerned with the dilemma of whether or not we're getting a Lokhust Lord/Destroyers kit.

I think we'll see at least a new kit for the lord, the heavy destroyer was terrible upgrade kit, the destroyer lord is the same, so it would be weird in my eyes for one to get a kit and not the other.

Potential hint at how QS might be changing. This is for the Pariah Nexus missions, but it might indicate how QS itself works too now.

Iracundus wrote:
Don't like the special characters in their current form because then the background of their entire faction revolves around them when they outclass any generic character. That shrinks the apparent scale of the universe if it is just a handful of named characters running around and bumping into each other all the time, but never really killing each other off. It becomes like those superhero vs superhero movies. Lots of scenery gets destroyed but that's about it.

This is probably my major complaint. See the same when DE players go "we need Vect" - no, Vect is an albatross round the neck of the entire faction. Super big, "these guys determine the fate of the faction" characters should remain mysterious and largely in the background. As you say, once they start turning up every episode to say "I'll get you next time Guilliman" its hard to retain any sense of power.

I find mid-range characters who are essentially just "Overlord+" more reasonable - although game play wise its a bit annoying if they become autotakes.

Tyel wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Don't like the special characters in their current form because then the background of their entire faction revolves around them when they outclass any generic character. That shrinks the apparent scale of the universe if it is just a handful of named characters running around and bumping into each other all the time, but never really killing each other off. It becomes like those superhero vs superhero movies. Lots of scenery gets destroyed but that's about it.

This is probably my major complaint. See the same when DE players go "we need Vect" - no, Vect is an albatross round the neck of the entire faction. Super big, "these guys determine the fate of the faction" characters should remain mysterious and largely in the background. As you say, once they start turning up every episode to say "I'll get you next time Guilliman" its hard to retain any sense of power.

As a DE player, I agree entirely.

It just seems like there should be characters who simply don't take part in these sorts of battles. It would be like if GW gave the Emperor stats and made him float into battle on his throne (which isn't even too far off what they've already done with the Silent King).

Even from a mechanical perspective, I really don't want to see Vect appear. Because he'll either be an overpriced paperweight that no one ever bothers with (but who would have been released instead of more reasonable HQs), or else he'll be an auto-take and basically force DE to play Black Heart or start with an immediate handicap. To say nothing of how he'll have a pile of rules and wargear that regular Archons can only dream of, just to show how awsome and special he is.

Tyel wrote:

I find mid-range characters who are essentially just "Overlord+" more reasonable - although game play wise its a bit annoying if they become autotakes.

I've said it before, but my preference with special characters would be that they don't exist as separate profiles. Instead, they should be represented by a specific build of wargear and relics (and maybe Warlord Traits) for generic characters.

Spotted this in the Necron Codex thread in News & Rumors:

150 is gross, but thats why we have discounts and such