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 Insectum7 wrote:
$170 for the new Monolith!? Gosh I'm extra glad I picked up two of the old ones off ebay now. Geez.

I have two old ones too.
They can get the job done in the same way.

I for one am quite happy that its that expensive. I now have no desire in getting it and am quite happy with the one I currently have.

The change to it being a Lord of War was another major factor, but the price tag settles it.

I’m getting one because I’m an idiot without the money to spend but will spend it anyway.
*sniffs line of plastic off the table*

On a different note, anyone know when BattleScribe tends to get updated after new codexes release?

I sent GW an email about the new Monolith. I've never contacted them about prices before but IMO you need to let them know when they overstep and £105 is a joke for something that is supposed to be a cornerstone of a Necron force.

It's not the same thing as a FW knight Titan or whatever

I think its important to realise that monoliths are no longer a mandatory cornerstone of the army. The army has diversified a lot since its early days and whilst once monoliths were almost mandatory/essential/key; they are now more optional and perhaps even situational.

This happens with any army as it grows in diversity. It's a good thing because otherwise you'd always have to be thinking on taking one and that cuts out potential for taking other options in your army build.

 Overread wrote:
I think its important to realise that monoliths are no longer a mandatory cornerstone of the army. The army has diversified a lot since its early days and whilst once monoliths were almost mandatory/essential/key; they are now more optional and perhaps even situational.

This happens with any army as it grows in diversity. It's a good thing because otherwise you'd always have to be thinking on taking one and that cuts out potential for taking other options in your army build.

I mean, the Monolith hasn't been a mandatory cornerstone since their 5th edition dex.

That being said, it is by far the most iconic vehicle for the army, and I think it's pretty silly how they managed to make rules and prices to ensure that it's rarely seen.

Yeah, it's not a matter of unit diversity.

It's just a procession of bad rules and poor point costs (and now very poor monetary cost) making an iconic unit a paperweight.
Well, that and being helpless in the face of 9th edition firepower levels.

Cynista wrote:
I sent GW an email about the new Monolith. I've never contacted them about prices before but IMO you need to let them know when they overstep and £105 is a joke for something that is supposed to be a cornerstone of a Necron force.

It's not the same thing as a FW knight Titan or whatever

Play a Monolith or two in friendly games and have fun with them.
But in competitive games they are shelf sitting.

A $200 (canadian) might be much, but it's in line with the price of other superheavies. It reaches the same price as a Stormsurge and some version of the Imperial Knight in the upper price tags and within $10-15 of a lot of other superheavies. The cheapest one seems to be the Stompa at $150 which is the same price as a GorkaMorkanaught. With the Silent King and the Void Dragon C'tan though, that makes for a lot of very expensive "center table" model though. I personnaly expected the Monolith to be more around $180 dollars though, but at that price, it doesn't make that much of a difference. Anybody willing to spend $180 for one model (and you probably won't buy more than one of those anyway), is probably ready to spend $200. I'm more upset with the price of the Ophidian and Skorpekh which I would have liked a little cheaper, more in line with the Necron Warrior price, since you buy multiple of those.

epronovost wrote:
A $200 (can) might be much, but it's in line with the price of other superheavies. It reaches the same price as a Stormsurge and some version of the Imperial Knight in the upper price tags and within $10-15 of a lot of other superheavies. The cheapest one seems to be the Stompa at $150 which is the same price as a GorkaMorkanaught. With the Silent King and the Void Dragon C'tan though, that makes for a lot of very expensive "center table" model though. I personnaly expected the Monolith to be more around $180 dollars though, but at that price, it doesn't make that much of a difference. Anybody willing to spend $180 for one model (and you probably won't buy more than one of those anyway), is probably ready to spend $200. I'm more upset with the price of the Ophidian and Skorpekh which I would have liked a little cheaper, more in line with the Necron Warrior price, since you buy multiple of those.

Shadowsword is $140.

The dissapointing thing about the Monolith is that it's being valued very highly by GW in terms of points and dollars, but it seems to play so much worse than when it originally started out.

It's just such a shame.

Those ophydians... Still don't know what to make of them (they seem a poor choice compared to any other CC option in the book), but with the 360s and sprue pics, wow, I really don't like the models.

Very top heavy and some really bad joins with the tactical ruins (and not the bases). One sits fairly decently in the rubble, but the other two just touch a couple struts.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Shadowsword is $140.

The dissapointing thing about the Monolith is that it's being valued very highly by GW in terms of points and dollars, but it seems to play so much worse than when it originally started out.

It's just such a shame.

Remember that I'm speaking in terms of Canadian dollars. The Shadowsword is $170 on the Canadian website.

I'm not too worried by the point cost vs monetary cost of thr Monolith. Once you buy a model, they usually last a good 10-15 years before they have to be replaced, sometime much more. Thus, they will pass through about two or three edition change, a whole bunch of faq and errata, etc. Today the Monolith might be slightly underpowered (though not by all that much since it's very usable in a casual meta), but it might change radically in a year or two. The same goes for things for pretty much all superheavies.

Voss wrote:
Those ophydians... Still don't know what to make of them (they seem a poor choice compared to any other CC option in the book), but with the 360s and sprue pics, wow, I really don't like the models.

Very top heavy and some really bad joins with the tactical ruins (and not the bases). One sits fairly decently in the rubble, but the other two just touch a couple struts.

Just leave the outer arms off, and snip away the orbs. They are carrying more weight around the shoulders, though. They're a nice callback to the original wraiths.

epronovost wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Shadowsword is $140.

The dissapointing thing about the Monolith is that it's being valued very highly by GW in terms of points and dollars, but it seems to play so much worse than when it originally started out.

It's just such a shame.

Remember that I'm speaking in terms of Canadian dollars. The Shadowsword is $170 on the Canadian website.

I'm not too worried by the point cost vs monetary cost of thr Monolith. Once you buy a model, they usually last a good 10-15 years before they have to be replaced, sometime much more. Thus, they will pass through about two or three edition change, a whole bunch of faq and errata, etc. Today the Monolith might be slightly underpowered (though not by all that much since it's very usable in a casual meta), but it might change radically in a year or two. The same goes for things for pretty much all superheavies.

Ahh, Canadian. Missed that

The thing is still more than twice as expensive as its former cost, and tha value added just isn't there.

 Insectum7 wrote:
The thing is still more than twice as expensive as its former cost, and tha value added just isn't there.

well the new Monolith is certainly much bigger and much more detailed than it used too as before it used to be an extremely simplistic design. Plus, forme Necron players used to purchase two or three of those for their army, especially back when it was their only real vehicle so it made sense for them to have a lower price that would be compensated by a higher volume of sales. Now, it has changed and as GW expects a new wave of Necron players to start collecting the army, they go for a different sale's strategy. It still is a bit overpriced to me, but I do believe it's in the correct range.

 wuestenfux wrote:
What's the opinion about Ophydian Destroyers?
Nice models, nice rules (tunneling horrors, melee rules), but no inv. save.
They compete in the FA slot with Wraiths, Spyders and whatnot.

I like the models(although they seem a bit wobbly) but in crunch terms, while their damage is not to be underestimated, they are definitely behind their competition. Not necessarily bad so much as not as good as their competition. I still feel like people underestimate them too much but I agree they're not exactly a competitive choice.

Kind of wish the Ophydians didn't have the Threshers/Reapblades and were like, sub 25 points. Then they'd have a role in the army and would look better too

One could say the monolith cost is.. monumental.

(I will let myself out now...)

Cynista wrote:
Kind of wish the Ophydians didn't have the Threshers/Reapblades and were like, sub 25 points. Then they'd have a role in the army and would look better too

Yeah, I really don't like the 4-armed aesthetic. I wish they'd just stuck with the claws (or let you pick between claws and blades).

 Argive wrote:
One could say the monolith cost is.. monumental.

(I will let myself out now...)

*groans*

 vipoid wrote:

Cynista wrote:
Kind of wish the Ophydians didn't have the Threshers/Reapblades and were like, sub 25 points. Then they'd have a role in the army and would look better too

Yeah, I really don't like the 4-armed aesthetic. I wish they'd just stuck with the claws (or let you pick between claws and blades).

I don't mind the 4 arms, but I do mind that they are coming out the same socket. I have yet to figure out how those arms are supposed to move, and I wonder if the designer actually knows about anatomy.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

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 vipoid wrote:

Cynista wrote:
Kind of wish the Ophydians didn't have the Threshers/Reapblades and were like, sub 25 points. Then they'd have a role in the army and would look better too

Yeah, I really don't like the 4-armed aesthetic. I wish they'd just stuck with the claws (or let you pick between claws and blades).

I don't mind the 4 arms, but I do mind that they are coming out the same socket. I have yet to figure out how those arms are supposed to move, and I wonder if the designer actually knows about anatomy.

They don't come out of the same socket...


Two different sockets on each side, one in front of the other.

I feel like I'm in the Minority, the Ophydians are among my favorite models this release.

I’m not seeing an issue with their design, they look sweet. Being top heavy isn’t an issue when their model is basically the top half with a thin tail hanging out the bottom. And multiple arms makes sense for destroyers who just want more weapons so they can kill people faster.

 CommanderWalrus wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
What's the opinion about Ophydian Destroyers?
Nice models, nice rules (tunneling horrors, melee rules), but no inv. save.
They compete in the FA slot with Wraiths, Spyders and whatnot.

I like the models(although they seem a bit wobbly) but in crunch terms, while their damage is not to be underestimated, they are definitely behind their competition. Not necessarily bad so much as not as good as their competition. I still feel like people underestimate them too much but I agree they're not exactly a competitive choice.

The problem is they're basically at the same price point as their competition, but don't have any particular advantage over any of them.
They can probably do just fine against some armies, but really they feel like a missed opportunity. There are a pile of new and improved melee units for necrons, and the ophydians feel like 'the other one.'

They just don't have a role. Pretty obvious case of the model team creating something that the rule team didn't know what to do with.

Between wraiths, skorpekhs and flayed ones, there wasn't another niche there, at least not one the rules team was creative enough to come up with. So instead they just kinda stuck a bit from each onto them - the added movement from wraiths, deep strike and lots of low quality attacks from flayed ones, and the weapons from skorpekhs.

This makes them a frankenstein's monster of a unit that isn't particularly good at anything.

What they should have got is advance and charge instead of deep strike, it's literally nowhere in the Necron book any more so it would have created an instant niche for them. And instead of making attacks with claws and blades and the weirdness of 1 in 3 having the 3D attacks, they should have just given them claws and blades and let them choose to use one or the other, with the blades being S5 -3AP 2D with 4 attacks per model, and the claws S4 -2AP 1D but making 2 hit rolls per attack, so 8 attacks per model. Then give them a strat to give them a 4++ from shooting if they advanced that turn, and you have a unit that'd be distinguished from the others and actually worth considering.

 Sasori wrote:
I feel like I'm in the Minority, the Ophydians are among my favorite models this release.

...wouldn't mind to explain?

People saying the Monolith is bad solely because of LOW and missing the fact it lacks the Fly Keyword.

That is what kills the unit.

I quite like Ophydians. Sure they’re not as durable as their stablemates, but for hurling them into light or medium infantry, they seem to have a decent variety of attacks to do some damage.

Its funny to me that people are saying the monolith is only a bit expensive! Even at half the price I wouldn't consider buying one. GW need to greatly improve their rule writing and bring down the cost of other units to make that kind of investment worth while.

Long and short of it is, stop buying GW models or accept the price increases.