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2020/10/18 10:05:33
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
Cynista wrote: Kind of wish the Ophydians didn't have the Threshers/Reapblades and were like, sub 25 points. Then they'd have a role in the army and would look better too
Yeah, I really don't like the 4-armed aesthetic. I wish they'd just stuck with the claws (or let you pick between claws and blades).
I don't mind the 4 arms, but I do mind that they are coming out the same socket. I have yet to figure out how those arms are supposed to move, and I wonder if the designer actually knows about anatomy.
They don't come out of the same socket...
Spoiler:
Two different sockets on each side, one in front of the other.
Oh that's fine then. Still looks a little cramped, but better than the Skorpekh lord at least.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I quite like Ophydians. Sure they’re not as durable as their stablemates, but for hurling them into light or medium infantry, they seem to have a decent variety of attacks to do some damage.
I like the Ophydians in terms of aesthetics. It's a nice throwback to the old Wraiths.
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~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2020/10/18 10:32:05
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
Cynista wrote: Kind of wish the Ophydians didn't have the Threshers/Reapblades and were like, sub 25 points. Then they'd have a role in the army and would look better too
Yeah, I really don't like the 4-armed aesthetic. I wish they'd just stuck with the claws (or let you pick between claws and blades).
I don't mind the 4 arms, but I do mind that they are coming out the same socket. I have yet to figure out how those arms are supposed to move, and I wonder if the designer actually knows about anatomy.
Anatomy isn't really the right term. Engineering and design maybe? Its more like when they design vehicles that shoot into themselves. Necrons are machines after all so you could have as many limbs in one socket as you wanted and dedicate programming to operate each one, how effective that would be is another matter.
2020/10/18 10:35:10
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
Cynista wrote: Kind of wish the Ophydians didn't have the Threshers/Reapblades and were like, sub 25 points. Then they'd have a role in the army and would look better too
Yeah, I really don't like the 4-armed aesthetic. I wish they'd just stuck with the claws (or let you pick between claws and blades).
I don't mind the 4 arms, but I do mind that they are coming out the same socket. I have yet to figure out how those arms are supposed to move, and I wonder if the designer actually knows about anatomy.
Anatomy isn't really the right term. Engineering and design maybe? Its more like when they design vehicles that shoot into themselves. Necrons are machines after all so you could have as many limbs in one socket as you wanted and dedicate programming to operate each one, how effective that would be is another matter.
You could do that, but that won't matter as the arms won't be able to move right as they'll keep grinding or smacking into each other. But that's a moot point, because it would seem that only the Skorpekh lord has that problem.
I have yet to understand how he could bring that gun to bear onto a target with that sword arm in the way.
What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
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2020/10/18 10:53:26
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
I'm fairly sure it uses it either as a side gun or holds it in an "above" posture with the elbow sticking out to the side to fire forward. An angle no living creature would use, but which a machine could.
It might also be that the original design had a larger chest segment. It might have been Hive Tyrant sized originally and then got downsized. So what was once a fairly good fitting socket region ended up being a bit cramped as things downsized.
Overread wrote: I'm fairly sure it uses it either as a side gun or holds it in an "above" posture with the elbow sticking out to the side to fire forward. An angle no living creature would use, but which a machine could.
It might also be that the original design had a larger chest segment. It might have been Hive Tyrant sized originally and then got downsized. So what was once a fairly good fitting socket region ended up being a bit cramped as things downsized.
Did GW models have so many practical issues before CAD became more widespread?
2020/10/18 11:38:08
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
Overread wrote: I'm fairly sure it uses it either as a side gun or holds it in an "above" posture with the elbow sticking out to the side to fire forward. An angle no living creature would use, but which a machine could.
It might also be that the original design had a larger chest segment. It might have been Hive Tyrant sized originally and then got downsized. So what was once a fairly good fitting socket region ended up being a bit cramped as things downsized.
Did GW models have so many practical issues before CAD became more widespread?
Sure, we've had complaints about Terminators having odd shoulder positions relative to their heads for decades. Meanwhile most of their tanks are very badly designed for actual battle. It's one of those odd points too as sometimes the rules have had weapon arcs and fixed facing for vehicles, which can, esp in the close distances we game with, mean that things like Leman' Russ tanks can't practically use their side guns on the same target.
It's always been there, it is generally rarer, but it does happen from time to time.
It might also be that the original design had a larger chest segment. It might have been Hive Tyrant sized originally and then got downsized. So what was once a fairly good fitting socket region ended up being a bit cramped as things downsized.
You know, I think that might have been the case. In the trailer the lord looked a lot bigger, enough to kill a marine (or was it a Sister?) just by stepping on him, but the actual model is a lot smaller
What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2020/10/18 15:52:31
Subject: Re:Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
yukishiro1 wrote: It's really the worst of both words - push fit means zero customization, but it doesn't even go together easily and obviously.
The new Necron models look good overall, but I hate the way push-fit has been used.
Yup that's about my feelings as well.
I'm planning to do some conversions and I think it will be easier to assemble the whole model and carefully cut off arms and guns because the hassle of trying to figure out what goes where from those crazy puzzle-piece push fit pieces doesn't seem worth it.
Was watching a guy do some conversions and it's like - 'ok I have to cut here and save that bit because that connects to his other weapon arm and I need to glue this in because that little bit here is 1/6th of his head'.
2020/10/18 17:04:28
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
It is an utter pain when you've got an arm that also forms part of a head. One of the new necron destroyers has a piston on one arm and a head on the other and the other half of the head on the back. So to make the 1 head part you have 3 parts. It's a pain to put together.
It's one of the push-fits that feels push-fit rather than using glue because adding glue makes it a high risk of making a mess.
I got a second set of destroyers to make a 5 man unit, I'm kind-of at a loss for how I can assemble them differently, except to try to see if you can swap legs so at least the orientation of the model will be a little different.
2020/10/18 17:16:38
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
yukishiro1 wrote: I got a second set of destroyers to make a 5 man unit, I'm kind-of at a loss for how I can assemble them differently, except to try to see if you can swap legs so at least the orientation of the model will be a little different.
I've assmbled and then cut off arms at the shoulder to reposition. Sometimes you have to use a little wire to hold it in place for the plastic glue to dry as you don't always have a big surface area. In general its all about cutting up the arms. If you were really careful you could cut at the elbow area, but its a curved cut and you really don't have much room for waste - very tricky to pull off.
Personally it doesn't bother me too much, but yeah converting these is a little tricky.
Sasori wrote: Well, looks like we're not finishing out our release next week.
Really annoying because I'm ready to get my hands on some Chronomancers and Pyschomancers.
GW must be really ramping up production on the SM side of things.
Honestly its a fairly big release of specialist game content next week. I do wonder if the flayed ones in the killteam trailer mean that they are coming much later. That said we've had 3 releases for Necrons already over the past month. Chances are if you're buying into them you're already stretched on budget - esp after last week as we now have the Void Dragon, Monolith and Silent King as big expensive new models.
We still have a number of kits left to be released:
Overlord
Royal Warden
Skorpekh Lord
Psychomancer
Chronomancer
Plasmancer
Canoptek Reanimator
Cryptothralls
EDIT: Flayed Ones
That's probably a good two weeks worth of releases if nothing is left as an exclusive to Indomitus or the Starter boxes.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2020/10/18 17:32:10
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
Ahh true I'd sort of mentally glossed over the Indomitus stuff needing a release. That said right now chances are picking up a half set of Indomitus is the cheapest option for them - heck even the overpriced secondhand prices are still a discount deal based on GW's release prices (and you can bet those prices on ebay and the like iwll go up as time passes, stock dwindles and GW ups the price on things).
Heck when the destroyers went on sale I saw the ebay price creep up on the indomitus halves.
yukishiro1 wrote: It's really the worst of both words - push fit means zero customization, but it doesn't even go together easily and obviously.
The new Necron models look good overall, but I hate the way push-fit has been used.
The new Overlord in particular was a real pain to put together for me. My Skorpekh Lord has a customised pose (cut off the push fit pegs) and the gun is a shoulder cannon rather than a third arm. But it took literally a couple of hours to build rather than the 20 minutes it should take.
2020/10/18 18:07:45
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
Xyxel wrote: Why do you think that models from Indomitus will be released in separate boxes?
Skorpekh Lord maybe. Warden, Cryptothralls, Reanimator not so sure.
Skorpekh Lord, Cryptothralls, Reanimator, Plasmancer are all on the same sprue.
Royal Warden and Overlord each had their own sprues, linked to the Marine equivalent.
2020/10/18 19:11:28
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
Xyxel wrote: Why do you think that models from Indomitus will be released in separate boxes?
Skorpekh Lord maybe. Warden, Cryptothralls, Reanimator not so sure.
"On their own" means mostly "outside of Indomitus". Right now its not a huge issue as there are loads of sets around in the market. But in time it will be a demand to have them sold outside of split sets; plus there's the "not online or not online much" market to consider and countries that might not have as big a second hand trade.
Now it might mean some come in a getting started kit deal and such so they won't be "on their own" but they will be retail sold as opposed to special kit sold only.
Sasori wrote: I feel like I'm in the Minority, the Ophydians are among my favorite models this release.
...wouldn't mind to explain?
I like them because they are a callback to the original wraiths, and look really cool. I actually like the edition of the blades.
I don't know whether you meant to put 'edition' or 'addition' here, but with Ophidians and Skorpekhs added and new flayer models 9th is definitely edition of the blades right?
2020/10/19 05:33:51
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
yukishiro1 wrote: It's really the worst of both words - push fit means zero customization, but it doesn't even go together easily and obviously.
The new Necron models look good overall, but I hate the way push-fit has been used.
I really wonder what designer thought putting the chest on AFTER you put the arms on and thus have the gun in the way was a good idea for a model being sold in a STARTER box?
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2020/10/19 05:41:10
Subject: Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
That's an issue with the run of the mill warriors, too. The gun gets in the way of the chest piece that you have to mash in quite forcefully to get it all the way in there. I am good at that sort of stuff so I didn't have any major problems, but I can imagine clumsier people having a hell of a time, and even potentially breaking the models trying to do it. And you need to glue one or sometimes even both arms on almost every one of them anyway, because otherwise they jiggle up and down in the chest cavity after assembly.
Push-fit works (I don't like it, mind you, but it works) for chunky models with lots of solid bits. It really doesn't work well at all for skeletons with spindly arms and empty chest cavities.
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2020/10/19 06:37:55
Subject: Re:Necron 9th edition general discussion thread.
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