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I like to paint certain parts of a kit seperatly, the push fit Warden and lord I ended up having to do a lot of cutting and greenstuffing to fix the fact I apparently assembled certain parta out of order. I HATE push fit, especially as an avid conversionist.

What base size would you put a CCB proxy model on? The official one comes on a 60mm flying base of course but the model is much bigger. I sold mine in the summer so can't measure. 100mm?

I am making mine from an Indomitus Overlord and a Reanimator.

Cynista wrote:
What base size would you put a CCB proxy model on? The official one comes on a 60mm flying base of course but the model is much bigger. I sold mine in the summer so can't measure. 100mm?

I am making mine from an Indomitus Overlord and a Reanimator.

Are you all assembled? Got any pictures? That sounds awesome and I want to steal your idea!

Cynista wrote:
What base size would you put a CCB proxy model on? The official one comes on a 60mm flying base of course but the model is much bigger. I sold mine in the summer so can't measure. 100mm?

I am making mine from an Indomitus Overlord and a Reanimator.

I have just put mine on a 80mm round base.
I don't use the clear flying bases since I magnetize them. I opted for a slightly larger one due to how I ended up attaching the CCB on the base, since the 60mm one I was planning to use would've made it very unstable.

I had my old one pinned to a 60mm scenic resin base. But since the model is way bigger and the rules say measure to hull/base, I think a proxy will need to be on either 80mm or 100mm but not sure which is best

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Cynista wrote:
What base size would you put a CCB proxy model on? The official one comes on a 60mm flying base of course but the model is much bigger. I sold mine in the summer so can't measure. 100mm?

I am making mine from an Indomitus Overlord and a Reanimator.

Are you all assembled? Got any pictures? That sounds awesome and I want to steal your idea!

Not yet, just starting out. I've also made a custom Skorpekh Lord with a Wraith body and shoulder mounted gun which has come out quite well if you'd like to see

Yes, please!

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Yes, please!

I'd like to second this motion.

Forgive my photography

https://imgur.com/a/5Cj3PqC

Looks amazing but shame about no bonus mobility.

Cynista wrote:
Forgive my photography

https://imgur.com/a/5Cj3PqC

Oh that's really cool. Nice work.

The more I look at them, the more Ophydian Destroyers appeal.

Sure, T4 is a bit weedy, but once stuck in, that -1 to hit is welcome. Plus, they kick out more attacks than Skorpekh, particularly with Exploding Sixes.

They are pleasant happy medium between Flayed Ones and Skorpekhs. They bring muscle to the former, and weight of attacks to the latter.

My problem with Ophydians is they're just a little too much a middle-of-the-road option. They don't really do what Flayed Ones or Skorpekhs do any better than either and mixed attack profiles are generally not great because one or the other is often wasted. In particular, I don't think Necrons struggle with clearing chaff, given the large amount of S4/5 shooting we can muster with minimum -1AP and often hitting on 2s, so the extra attacks on the Ophydians don't seem to fill much of a niche.

Flayed Ones just seem better, especially when you consider they're probably more survivable (they're slightly more expensive per wound but get much more benefit from RP). They can DS, they have loads of attacks and they also have some good stratagems. Speaking of strategems, the Skorpekh one is amazing - possibly the best in the book, which is another plus for them.

Ophydian are probably best as just a little unit for secondary actions, given they can re-deploy themselves and are pretty quick if they move normally.

For me it’s their very Middle of the Road nature that appeals.

Sure, they don’t hit quite as hard as Skorpekh, but their additional attacks make it a narrow squeak.

Perhaps they really come into their own in a CC focussed list?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For me it’s their very Middle of the Road nature that appeals.

Sure, they don’t hit quite as hard as Skorpekh, but their additional attacks make it a narrow squeak.

Perhaps they really come into their own in a CC focussed list?

I've actually been comparing them to Triarch Praetorians with Rods of Covenant. The Praetorians are 20 points more and do slightly more damage in melee vs GME (with the reroll 1s ability on Ophydians). Same move, Ophydians can deep strike and get the -1 to hit in combat while the Praetorians have a good shooting attack, are tougher, better save, reanimate easier and can fly. I'm on the praetorian train a little more now.

Slipspace wrote:
My problem with Ophydians is they're just a little too much a middle-of-the-road option. They don't really do what Flayed Ones or Skorpekhs do ...

Are they better at doing what Skorpekhs do than Flayed Ones? Are they better at doing what Flayed ones do than Skorpekhs? You can't always customize your list according to your needs based on what your opponent is fielding.

Ghaz gets what I’m (probably hamfistedly) getting at.

I know not everyone likes their Multitools, and prefer their specialist appliances. But Ophydians definitely have a niche, precisely because they don’t have a set niche. If that makes sense?

And in other new, fleshed out my army a bit today with the purchase of two more Heavy Destroyers, a Six Shooter Destroyer, and a Stalkybangbang.

Reckon that’s about plenty for right now. Better I get playing without the really expensive toys first.

 Ghaz wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
My problem with Ophydians is they're just a little too much a middle-of-the-road option. They don't really do what Flayed Ones or Skorpekhs do ...

Are they better at doing what Skorpekhs do than Flayed Ones? Are they better at doing what Flayed ones do than Skorpekhs? You can't always customize your list according to your needs based on what your opponent is fielding.

No but they're worse at both, which is bad for a game that rewards specialization over generalization. Plus they're worse defensively (either lower T and Save or multiwound vs single for RP), which is really bad for actually getting them to a target.

Reconsidering Ophydians, as I’m now leaning toward Canoptek Wraiths.

They’re tougher, and have a 4+ Inv. And their claws can mean they hit harder. Add in the particle weapon (which is Pistol 2), and despite being WS/BS 4+, they just strike me as more fightier?

From r/Necrontyr:

Size comparison between the old and new Monoliths:



And a size comparison of the Canoptek Doomstalker and a Starstele...

Yeah, I was a little suprised at the size myself, it really did look bigger in the pictures they were showing.

That being said, I do like the additional detail. The doubling on the price though is nuts. I wish they had at least done a better job at it's data sheet.

The old Monolith is bigger?!

Lololololol

 Ghaz wrote:

Slipspace wrote:
My problem with Ophydians is they're just a little too much a middle-of-the-road option. They don't really do what Flayed Ones or Skorpekhs do ...

Are they better at doing what Skorpekhs do than Flayed Ones? Are they better at doing what Flayed ones do than Skorpekhs? You can't always customize your list according to your needs based on what your opponent is fielding.

They do have an option few others do. They can deepstrike, then 're-deepstrike". So you could deploy them on turn 2 and clear off an enemy unit from an objective, play the tunneling horrors on turn 3, then deepstrike them again on turn 4.

So I haven't been able to play since we got the codex (we still can't mix households here), but I had a couple of crusade upgrades to plan after our last game and I'm looking at the new book to see what I can take, and...

...the Undying Revenants upgrade is *really good* right?

It can be taken on core units and essentially gives you a single auto success on RP (it says you 'set any dice to 6' but I don't know how that interacts with rerolls). This is a nice RP boost for two wound Lychguard or Tomb Blades, but feels like it makes Warriors just incredibly hard to shift; essentially you *cannot* kill a single model and you have a better than even chance of 2 models killed both jumping back up. Even if you sweep off 3, there's a decent chance of all of them coming back! I haven't even worked out the odds including rerolls from command protocols as the maths was making my mind boggle.

Has anyone tried using this? Have any of the other crusade upgrades jumped out at folks? The other one catching my eye is the free Malevolent Arcing for Tesla, which makes a 5x Teslamortal pretty appealing to scatter some MWs.

All of my games except one since the book dropped have been crusade games. Undying Revenants is sneaky excellent. My opponents didn't think much of it until they played against it. It basically makes pot shots at the unit to hope to whittle them down pointless. Plus in crusade games it usually takes several units to finish off a unit, you can use it to auto-succeed against every unit's fire. Also, because it replaces a failed dice rather than just making one auto-succeed before rolling, it's great on lychguard. Even if they kill one, you have a decent chance of getting a 5 or 6 on one of the two dice, then you auto-succeed on the other and get the lynchguard back much more often. Lastly, don't forget that it also works when the resurrection orb is activated.

Second, the Supremacy Through Annihilation agenda is fantastic. You have to plan out how you are going to use it, but if you work on focus firing down larger units in single turns you can get a lot of experience. Last game I was able to get every single one of my units 2-4 extra experience through it. Just remember that it is best to use it on units of models since your unit has to destroy a model in that unit rather than damage it to get the experience. If you use it on a vehicle or monster only one unit will get the experience. Lastly, it's for the battle round, so you can plan it through your shooting then the melee phases. Or, if they are going first and an undamaged unit is about to charge your guys, use it on them at the start of the round, take the charge and do damage, then back out of combat (even better if you have your command protocol or a warden to allow them to still shoot) then light them up with the rest of your guys.

Energy Savant for the Cryptek Units can be a nasty surprise when you can shoot that voltaic staff twice in a round.

The Dynastic Epithets for your Noble Warlord are also sneaky good. The ones that allow you to use a free stratagem (and there are 2 of them) represents a 33-50% increase in your starting command points which is impressive. You also have 2 ways to get 3 bonus experience for the noble as well.

Remember that the Eldrich Artifice requisition won't affect a canoptek doomstalker as it is a monster, but you can use it to make that heat ray melta or legs on the triarch stalker terrifying with a +1 to hit, or the flamer version of the heat ray have a 18" range, extra -1 ap and damage 2. Plus you can use that requisition every single time you level up and use it to get 2 weapon upgrades in a single leveling up time for it.

Finally, I just wanted to put up a picture of my crusade army:

^Looks sharp! Very nice.

An entirely positive post.

Been building my various kits this week, and I’m super chuffed at the overall aesthetic. Lots of different sizes in play, but with a solid, unified look.

Next up, probably some new Canoptek toys, as I’ve none of the original plastic ones.

 Ghaz wrote:
From r/Necrontyr:

Size comparison between the old and new Monoliths:

Spoiler:

And a size comparison of the Canoptek Doomstalker and a Starstele...

Spoiler:

I built mine a few days ago and have started painting it. I loaded a pic of the progress in my gallery. One thing I can tell you - it is a lot heavier than the old monolith. This is a really heavy model! Point to be difficult to move it around.

So here's my work in progress CCB kitbash

https://imgur.com/a/SIA9LHF

Reanimator + Indomitus Overlord + Tomb Spyder and some other bits

Cynista wrote:
So here's my work in progress CCB kitbash

https://imgur.com/a/SIA9LHF

Reanimator + Indomitus Overlord + Tomb Spyder and some other bits

I wish I had the balls to chop up so many kits into one place like that.....

Looks ridiculous in the best possible way. I love it. Really looking forward to seeing it painted.