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 Togusa wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
They are going to have to pile on the special rules or have them be criminally undercosted to make assault intercessors worth it. Heavy bolt pistols and an extra CC attack are NOT worth giving up the bolt rifle. Reivers do this already and are wildly considered hot garbage. And they actually have some deployment/movement options.

That said they look very nice. I might do some arm swaps and mix in a box of regular intercessors to make for a more active running squad for autobolters.

I suspect we will get a new army sometime soon. All the traitor guard from Blackstone Fortress are crying out for a codex.

Exactly this, the models are nice but they just seem pretty underwhelming considering Reivers already do the same job but better.

You haven't seen the rules for Assault Intercessors...so how do you know Reivers will do it better?

assault intercessors will be troops, which might make them preferable for that reason alone.

Based on current expectations they should be awful.

However, it's possible 9e changes make them viable somehow. Chainswords getting some sort of buff for instance.

 Stux wrote:
Based on current expectations they should be awful.

However, it's possible 9e changes make them viable somehow. Chainswords getting some sort of buff for instance.

I mean if they're cheap eneugh they might not be too bad, toss a thunder hammer on the sergant, run em up the board. might make for a decent distraction carnifex.

Points, special rules etc could change things.

Assuming its a straight swap, I think losing a reasonably long range gun for an extra attack is worse as it gives you lower flexibility on the table. On the other if these guys are going to run up the board and try to compete for mid-table objectives its potentially marginal either way.

They're kinda cute and I'll be buying a squad for my Raptors. along with the chaplain and bikes.

Not too sold on the sword and shield guys. Waaay to flashy!

Deadnight wrote:
They're kinda cute and I'll be buying a squad for my Raptors. along with the chaplain and bikes.

Not too sold on the sword and shield guys. Waaay to flashy!

they're supposed to be flashy. look at their helmets. they're white, those are a vetern unit. possiably just some sort of vetern assault squad, but it's also possiable they're "vanilla honour guard"

From the markings in the pictures they're going to be fast attack, just like the bikes. Just like their firstborn equivalents, there's no way they're going to be troops.

That being said the whole detachment and CP system is being completely ripped out and replaced, apparently. I think you'll see much more single detachment lists, and that ObSec will be the main difference between being Troop or FA choices

The "Fast Attack" symbol on the model means they are close support according to the Codex Astartes. It does not mean they have to be in the Fast Attack slot in the detachments. Like when the Blood Angels used to be able to take Assault Squads as troops while having the same amount, background-wise, as other codex chapters. We will see what slot they take in detachments and what rules we have in due course. As they are on foot, I suspect that they will not be Fast Attack slot in detachments as they would be slow. But we will see.

nekooni wrote:From the markings in the pictures they're going to be fast attack, just like the bikes.

Not entirely reliable.

Incursors have the same markings, and they're Troops. Similarly, Suppressors have the heavy support markings, but are actually Fast Attack. Assault Centurions have the assault marine markings, but are Elites.

I'd be willing to bet that Assault Intercessors will be Troops.

Although they have assault markings, they also have squad number IV, which is usually a tactical/Intercessor squad number. So the role could be different.


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BrianDavion wrote:

Deadnight wrote:
They're kinda cute and I'll be buying a squad for my Raptors. along with the chaplain and bikes.

Not too sold on the sword and shield guys. Waaay to flashy!

they're supposed to be flashy. look at their helmets. they're white, those are a vetern unit. possiably just some sort of vetern assault squad, but it's also possiable they're "vanilla honour guard"

I think they are the Primaris Company Command squad (i.e. Company Veterans), as they have veteran helmets with second company markings.

I dub them...Interscissors.

 Stux wrote:
Based on current expectations they should be awful.

However, it's possible 9e changes make them viable somehow. Chainswords getting some sort of buff for instance.

Funny you should say that, the latest preview mentioned in the * text that they're carrying Astares chainswords, whatever the heck that means.

On warhammer community there are more new primaris models, bikers veterans and some sort of executioner that seems an odd addition but nice to have something actually new

mrFickle wrote:
On warhammer community there are more new primaris models, bikers veterans and some sort of executioner that seems an odd addition but nice to have something actually new

It's all close-ups of things from the new box set.

 Stux wrote:
Based on current expectations they should be awful.

However, it's possible 9e changes make them viable somehow. Chainswords getting some sort of buff for instance.

That's my point...

You don't know what will change and what wont. It's an entirely new unit. They could have "Cawl Pattern NahRippers" which are S+2 Ap -1 D3 Damage. That would very much be a big improvement over what the little marines with their silly chainswords do now.

Two things we do know about Assault Intercessors besides Heavy Bolt Pistols from the new article on Warhammer Community https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/24/warhammer-40000-more-models-revealedgw-homepage-post-3/:

Well, first up we saw the new Primaris Assault Intercessor, complete with heavy bolt pistol and meat-mulching* chainsword.

* That’s just our scrivener getting excited, it’s actually an Astartes chainsword…

And there is a Sergeant armed with what appears to be a Primaris Plasma Pistol.

These guys just may do something better than Reivers.

The viability of the chainsword intercessors could easily rest on if their Chainswords are ap-1 or not.

Here's hoping the 'Astartes Chainsword' and any related improvement winds up being what Assault Marines are armed with.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Here's hoping the 'Astartes Chainsword' and any related improvement winds up being what Assault Marines are armed with.

Easy now they aren't Primaris chainswords

Lots of people here dismissing a unit without having seen it's rules or abilities?

Nostradamus all up in here.

 Orange Knight wrote:
Lots of people here dismissing a unit without having seen it's rules or abilities?

Nostradamus all up in here.

I’ll admit there is a lot of guesswork going on.

But it’s educated.

The basic primaris body is well known, as it it’s price.

The points for heavy bolt pistols and chianswords are also know factors.

(If they do make Astartes Chainswords a different thing, this will toss a wrench into our thoughts)

They do not appear to have anthing like grave chutes, grapple guns, or jump packs. Without any indication on the models, you can’t just wish yourself deploymet options. They may get a stategem or a minor rule that can help. But training and willpower can only take you so far.

We do know what they are up against. And it is not shabby. Unless 9th is a MASSIVE shift towards CC and away from shooting, these guys have a uphill battle to just break even at mediocre.

Looking at them, if we assume everything breaks in their favor, we are still looking at a “meh” unit.

Now we could be surprised. We have just started with the leaks and rumors on 9th. But these guys have a long way to go if they want to see the table in anything other than a friendly list.

(where, full disclosure, they will find a place in mine, because I think they look cool)

I DO notice that the entire boxed set seems very Close ranged, what are the chances GW did this because 9th edition has been tweeked to make CQC better?

BrianDavion wrote:
I DO notice that the entire boxed set seems very Close ranged, what are the chances GW did this because 9th edition has been tweeked to make CQC better?

If that was their intent, then kudos to them.

I have doubts about how effectively they'd accomplish it, though.

 JNAProductions wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I DO notice that the entire boxed set seems very Close ranged, what are the chances GW did this because 9th edition has been tweeked to make CQC better?

If that was their intent, then kudos to them.

I have doubts about how effectively they'd accomplish it, though.

I love them dearly, but what GW tries to do and what they actually deliver are often at odds.

I suspect they are going to try to swing things back to CC, but are too timed in it, so we remain in a shooty edition.

I could (and hope) to be wrong. Too early to tell.

 Elbows wrote:
I dub them...Interscissors.

This is worth repeating ...

There's a lot of units in the game that aren't useful right now because they are footslogging melee. One of the best things GW could do with 9th is make these units more viable somehow. If that happens, then melee intercessors could have a role. The question is if they have a role compared to ranged intercessors, as those are already solid and only have 1 less attack.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There's a lot of units in the game that aren't useful right now because they are footslogging melee. One of the best things GW could do with 9th is make these units more viable somehow. If that happens, then melee intercessors could have a role. The question is if they have a role compared to ranged intercessors, as those are already solid and only have 1 less attack.

That's something we don't know.

Astartes Chainswords could easily be AP-1, which is a big deal.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There's a lot of units in the game that aren't useful right now because they are footslogging melee. One of the best things GW could do with 9th is make these units more viable somehow. If that happens, then melee intercessors could have a role. The question is if they have a role compared to ranged intercessors, as those are already solid and only have 1 less attack.

That's something we don't know.

Astartes Chainswords could easily be AP-1, which is a big deal.

You'd go from killing 0.9 Guardsmen per model to 1.1. Very big deal.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There's a lot of units in the game that aren't useful right now because they are footslogging melee. One of the best things GW could do with 9th is make these units more viable somehow. If that happens, then melee intercessors could have a role. The question is if they have a role compared to ranged intercessors, as those are already solid and only have 1 less attack.

That's something we don't know.

Astartes Chainswords could easily be AP-1, which is a big deal.

They'd pretty much have to, or have some other significant special rule that ranged intercessors don't have.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
There's a lot of units in the game that aren't useful right now because they are footslogging melee. One of the best things GW could do with 9th is make these units more viable somehow. If that happens, then melee intercessors could have a role. The question is if they have a role compared to ranged intercessors, as those are already solid and only have 1 less attack.

That's something we don't know.

Astartes Chainswords could easily be AP-1, which is a big deal.

You'd go from killing 0.9 Guardsmen per model to 1.1. Very big deal.

You double damage against Terminators.