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 Blndmage wrote:
I've had people threaten to out me, be maliciously and aggressively transphobic, and the FLGS backed the guy, as did the local 40k community, so unless I'm playing by myself, there's no one locally that I feel safe with, and no store that is safe.

That's super messed up and I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you find a good group to play with that accepts you for who you are and that don't feel the need to be hateful a**holes.


I'm usually pretty casual about who I play games with, while I always try to win a game I playing, I'm not a mega competitive person and as such bring lists that tournament players would describe as "sub-optimal" because most of my forces for my games are fluff based.

Generally the people I won't play against are people that have bad manners/are rude/aggressive/poor sportsmanship.

I don't really care if someone doesn't know the rules super well, is playing a competitive list, doesn't have a painted army, etc. as long as they are friendly and fun to play the game with.

Ideally I want to play with people who enjoy playing the game and are happy just to roll the dice whether they are rolling all 6s or all 1s.


From my experience, the Blood Bowl tournaments I've played in have been really awesome and all the folks I have played have been great. Most of the people I have played 40k with have been pretty cool, though a couple were probably the worst gamers I have ever encountered. Playing MtG I encountered a lot of people that were very socially awkward (mind you this was mostly 10+ years ago), but were generally pretty nice, Warcry and I Mordheim I have both had excellent experiences with.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
I mean, Dakka is famous for it's double standards.

Uh...what? You know the post in question here is about attitudes towards transphobic views specifically and more generally about intolerance? Are you suggesting Dakka does allow transphobic views on its forum? I know sometimes the moderating isn't perfect (where is it perfect though?) but I have no idea where you get this idea of double standards from as far as this specific topic is concerned.

Back to the original topic, I think the only people I would refuse to play against are people I know I won't have a good time with. That's pretty vague and it covers a lot of areas but it's rare that any one specific thing is enough to make me annoyed enough not to play someone, beyond the really obvious things like outright cheating. In general it would come down to managing expectations. I'll happily play anyone from completely new player to a tournament veteran as long as I have a rough idea of what to expect from the game.

I very rarely refuse to play someone, but a general list of reasons would be:

Frequently cheating
Terrible sport(one threw a land raider when I killed it in the game)
Not fun to play against(person not the army)

When I see "competitive" army lists I see all kinds of fluff-destroying crap. A renowned Tau character leading an army of drones, a Chapter Master leading scout squads. You know, like those countless examples from real life where renowned heroes led an army of noobs.

Also, min-maxing and repetition. Pretty much the same thing as above but three squads of Centurions all with the same guns, three Troops choices all with the same guns, three heroes with the same powers and abilities. My first game against this opponent would probably be my last.

I am coming into this hobby to have fun using all the models I like regardless of whether they will win tournaments or not. Only one person can win a tournament. Therefore the focus is to enjoy myself, not turn into someone who complains a weapon or troop choice is overcosted by one point!

Sorry for the rant!

 NoPoet wrote:
When I see "competitive" army lists I see all kinds of fluff-destroying crap. A renowned Tau character leading an army of drones, a Chapter Master leading scout squads. You know, like those countless examples from real life where renowned heroes led an army of noobs.

Also, min-maxing and repetition. Pretty much the same thing as above but three squads of Centurions all with the same guns, three Troops choices all with the same guns, three heroes with the same powers and abilities. My first game against this opponent would probably be my last.

Like in real life, when renowned heroes always fight in the wars. I remember just recently the conflict in Libya when Barack Obama mounted up in his robot suit and duked it out with Gaddafi in the centre of a swirling melee to win the day!

...also, why is it unrealistic to have troops with all the same guns? Isn't that what you'd normally expect? All 3 of my storm guardian squads are identical, because there's really only 2 ways to play them and one of them just plays way better in my opinion (the one that turns them into an actual threat to tanks at close range) but it's not like thats a realism problem.

 aphyon wrote:

Zuwi wrote:
There is a player in my group I try to dodge as much as possible.
He is wailing crybaby when he loses and a arrogant prick when he wins.
I am living on the countryside and we have to drive 40-60 min for a match.
He has a tendace to surrender after the first or second turn if it is not going his way and that is an absolute no-go for me
I don´t want to drive over 1:30-2 hours just for one round

I remember a guy like that, he would copy/paste winning lists from tourneys in the 3rd/4th/5th era and try them on us....but he was really bad at execution of the tactics, so if he wasn't winning by turn 2/3 he would give up. we would have to coax him to play it out and often times he would have a comeback win.


As keyboard warriors here , we have the tendency to say things we would not say in person where we can gauge the mood in the room so i take everything said about social interactions with a bit of a hedge because often we only hear one side of the story.. as an example, i think it was maybe a year or two ago we had a new guy come into our FLGS and the big MTG guy, who is super helpful and a pretty cool dude, hooked the guy up with some of his decks and showed him the ropes.

The guy wanted him to come back and play more on a day the MTG guy could not...that whole real life thing getting in the way of gaming. the the new guy apparently got all offended and went on a rant on the stores page throwing out accusations of bigotry, homophobia and the like (i saw the posting) and we were all like WTF????? the MTG guy was baffled as he let the new guy use his stuff to learn how to play. personality conflict perhaps? who knows, but if you only read the rant you would think terrible things about the MTG guy and the store atmosphere. .

Did you happen to have, say, a couple dudes in the back cracking gay jokes?

Maybe someone who uses homophobic slurs as a description of literally anything that goes wrong for him in a game?

There's a lot of casual homophobia that can go on in a shop, from people who don't even think what they're saying is wrong.


Likely the guy would not speak out in public because, well, he'd rather not get beaten up, which is a thing that's a constant fear in the back of anyone's head if they're lgbt. Being outed among an unknown community? That's scary as gak.

Wow, after reading some of these, I now realize how much healthier my FLGS community really is!

stratigo wrote:

 aphyon wrote:

Zuwi wrote:
There is a player in my group I try to dodge as much as possible.
He is wailing crybaby when he loses and a arrogant prick when he wins.
I am living on the countryside and we have to drive 40-60 min for a match.
He has a tendace to surrender after the first or second turn if it is not going his way and that is an absolute no-go for me
I don´t want to drive over 1:30-2 hours just for one round

I remember a guy like that, he would copy/paste winning lists from tourneys in the 3rd/4th/5th era and try them on us....but he was really bad at execution of the tactics, so if he wasn't winning by turn 2/3 he would give up. we would have to coax him to play it out and often times he would have a comeback win.


As keyboard warriors here , we have the tendency to say things we would not say in person where we can gauge the mood in the room so i take everything said about social interactions with a bit of a hedge because often we only hear one side of the story.. as an example, i think it was maybe a year or two ago we had a new guy come into our FLGS and the big MTG guy, who is super helpful and a pretty cool dude, hooked the guy up with some of his decks and showed him the ropes.

The guy wanted him to come back and play more on a day the MTG guy could not...that whole real life thing getting in the way of gaming. the the new guy apparently got all offended and went on a rant on the stores page throwing out accusations of bigotry, homophobia and the like (i saw the posting) and we were all like WTF????? the MTG guy was baffled as he let the new guy use his stuff to learn how to play. personality conflict perhaps? who knows, but if you only read the rant you would think terrible things about the MTG guy and the store atmosphere. .

Did you happen to have, say, a couple dudes in the back cracking gay jokes?

Maybe someone who uses homophobic slurs as a description of literally anything that goes wrong for him in a game?

There's a lot of casual homophobia that can go on in a shop, from people who don't even think what they're saying is wrong.


Likely the guy would not speak out in public because, well, he'd rather not get beaten up, which is a thing that's a constant fear in the back of anyone's head if they're lgbt. Being outed among an unknown community? That's scary as gak.

I had never thought of that they would need to worry about being beaten up in a flgs just for being LGBT. The flgs in my area are very progressive and one has several openly LGBT players and the other has a few LGBT employees and I have yet to see that be an issue, I think someone spouting anti-LGBT comments or rhetoric would be much more at risk of facing an adverse reaction from the people at the flgs. I play on a very conservative part of the US and most people I know are surprisingly accepting of others, it sure why dakkadakka has me tagged with the wrong flag.

That would be another thing to add to the list of reasons I would refuse a game.

I've played against plenty of very right-wing opponents. This doesn't surprise me at all.

stratigo wrote:

 aphyon wrote:

Zuwi wrote:
There is a player in my group I try to dodge as much as possible.
He is wailing crybaby when he loses and a arrogant prick when he wins.
I am living on the countryside and we have to drive 40-60 min for a match.
He has a tendace to surrender after the first or second turn if it is not going his way and that is an absolute no-go for me
I don´t want to drive over 1:30-2 hours just for one round

I remember a guy like that, he would copy/paste winning lists from tourneys in the 3rd/4th/5th era and try them on us....but he was really bad at execution of the tactics, so if he wasn't winning by turn 2/3 he would give up. we would have to coax him to play it out and often times he would have a comeback win.


As keyboard warriors here , we have the tendency to say things we would not say in person where we can gauge the mood in the room so i take everything said about social interactions with a bit of a hedge because often we only hear one side of the story.. as an example, i think it was maybe a year or two ago we had a new guy come into our FLGS and the big MTG guy, who is super helpful and a pretty cool dude, hooked the guy up with some of his decks and showed him the ropes.

The guy wanted him to come back and play more on a day the MTG guy could not...that whole real life thing getting in the way of gaming. the the new guy apparently got all offended and went on a rant on the stores page throwing out accusations of bigotry, homophobia and the like (i saw the posting) and we were all like WTF????? the MTG guy was baffled as he let the new guy use his stuff to learn how to play. personality conflict perhaps? who knows, but if you only read the rant you would think terrible things about the MTG guy and the store atmosphere. .

Did you happen to have, say, a couple dudes in the back cracking gay jokes?

Maybe someone who uses homophobic slurs as a description of literally anything that goes wrong for him in a game?

There's a lot of casual homophobia that can go on in a shop, from people who don't even think what they're saying is wrong.


Likely the guy would not speak out in public because, well, he'd rather not get beaten up, which is a thing that's a constant fear in the back of anyone's head if they're lgbt. Being outed among an unknown community? That's scary as gak.

....well considering the best gay jokes come from the married gay couple who are regulars in our group (same goes for jewish jokes, my jewish friends have the best) and one of the full time employees at the store is also gay, you can kind of understand why we were surprised by the rant. the MTG group meets at one of the front tables so i wasn't really paying attention to the event when it all went down since mini gaming is more in the back of the game area.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:
They play Space Marines.

feth that book(s)

given how common marine armies are you must not get many games.

This is what almost killed local 40k in my area before lockdown; people were just not wanting to play vs Marine armies.

Mate of mine, fanatical IH purist, took a look at the IH supplement when it came out. Started laughing in the midst of the store, put it back , runs now custom trait lads.

Why?

 Togusa wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:
They play Space Marines.

feth that book(s)

given how common marine armies are you must not get many games.

This is what almost killed local 40k in my area before lockdown; people were just not wanting to play vs Marine armies.

Mate of mine, fanatical IH purist, took a look at the IH supplement when it came out. Started laughing in the midst of the store, put it back , runs now custom trait lads.

Why?

Because he isn't and wasn't interested in Broken matches due to balance Issues, he prefers close Battles decided on the game Table not the Table he wrote the list on. (His word's) And he felt that that supplement literally would not work that way.

He later after the nerf s still bought it but didn't really bother to field it outside Comp matches.

Many years ago I was playing in a "for funsies" 4k points apoc tourney, and one opponent plonked down a cardboard Imperator titan.

That was his army, 1 Imperator titan.

I was like "well, good luck with that' I'm gonna go grab lunch".

 aphyon wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 aphyon wrote:

Zuwi wrote:
There is a player in my group I try to dodge as much as possible.
He is wailing crybaby when he loses and a arrogant prick when he wins.
I am living on the countryside and we have to drive 40-60 min for a match.
He has a tendace to surrender after the first or second turn if it is not going his way and that is an absolute no-go for me
I don´t want to drive over 1:30-2 hours just for one round

I remember a guy like that, he would copy/paste winning lists from tourneys in the 3rd/4th/5th era and try them on us....but he was really bad at execution of the tactics, so if he wasn't winning by turn 2/3 he would give up. we would have to coax him to play it out and often times he would have a comeback win.


As keyboard warriors here , we have the tendency to say things we would not say in person where we can gauge the mood in the room so i take everything said about social interactions with a bit of a hedge because often we only hear one side of the story.. as an example, i think it was maybe a year or two ago we had a new guy come into our FLGS and the big MTG guy, who is super helpful and a pretty cool dude, hooked the guy up with some of his decks and showed him the ropes.

The guy wanted him to come back and play more on a day the MTG guy could not...that whole real life thing getting in the way of gaming. the the new guy apparently got all offended and went on a rant on the stores page throwing out accusations of bigotry, homophobia and the like (i saw the posting) and we were all like WTF????? the MTG guy was baffled as he let the new guy use his stuff to learn how to play. personality conflict perhaps? who knows, but if you only read the rant you would think terrible things about the MTG guy and the store atmosphere. .

Did you happen to have, say, a couple dudes in the back cracking gay jokes?

Maybe someone who uses homophobic slurs as a description of literally anything that goes wrong for him in a game?

There's a lot of casual homophobia that can go on in a shop, from people who don't even think what they're saying is wrong.


Likely the guy would not speak out in public because, well, he'd rather not get beaten up, which is a thing that's a constant fear in the back of anyone's head if they're lgbt. Being outed among an unknown community? That's scary as gak.

....well considering the best gay jokes come from the married gay couple who are regulars in our group (same goes for jewish jokes, my jewish friends have the best) and one of the full time employees at the store is also gay, you can kind of understand why we were surprised by the rant. the MTG group meets at one of the front tables so i wasn't really paying attention to the event when it all went down since mini gaming is more in the back of the game area.

When a person walks into the store, they get a snap shot of that instant, and maybe in that instant something has happened that isn't indicative of the overall culture, or in context isn't what it seems. But as an LGBT person, if I walk into a store and here some people cracking gay jokes, I can't know they are a self deprecating gay couple. And it takes an emotional effort to force yourself to stick around because, well, most people cracking gay jokes aren't gay people, and, like, that doesn't make it necessarily okay to make homophobic comments in any regard. There's actually interesting research that goes being people making fun of their ethnicity, religion, or sexuality as a defense mechanism and how that can itself get internalized and normalized.

And, so, especially in the context of modern America, it behooves someone to take a minority at least somewhat at their word and try and find out why exactly they felt discriminated against. And on occasion it really is nothing, but that occasion is much rarer than what a lot of people glibly assume.

stratigo wrote:


When a person walks into the store, they get a snap shot of that instant, and maybe in that instant something has happened that isn't indicative of the overall culture, or in context isn't what it seems. But as an LGBT person, if I walk into a store and here some people cracking gay jokes, I can't know they are a self deprecating gay couple. And it takes an emotional effort to force yourself to stick around because, well, most people cracking gay jokes aren't gay people, and, like, that doesn't make it necessarily okay to make homophobic comments in any regard. There's actually interesting research that goes being people making fun of their ethnicity, religion, or sexuality as a defense mechanism and how that can itself get internalized and normalized.

And, so, especially in the context of modern America, it behooves someone to take a minority at least somewhat at their word and try and find out why exactly they felt discriminated against. And on occasion it really is nothing, but that occasion is much rarer than what a lot of people glibly assume.

that's fair, though I daresay most people who make gay jokes aren't homophobic - they simply focus on the "joke" part of it. I myself am guilty of making jokes in which feature gay people, but I am in no way homophobic, and I make the joke because I think that the joke is funny - there's no subtext, and every person I know who's made such jokes does so for the joke, not the homophobia. It's the same as I am not anti-male when I make a "a man walks into a bar" joke, nor am I anti-Jehovah's witness when I make a "knock knock" joke, or racist for making an "an englishman, an irishman and a scotsman" joke.

I know that may not be representative of American groups, but in the UK I feel that getting offended by a joke is something of a joke itself. It's unfortunate that anyone, for any reason, feels that they have to be excluded from a group for the jests of those already in it. People shouldn't feel that they cannot have a joke, and people should not feel that they are unsafe around those that do. I would feel mortified if I found out that my making a joke had caused someone to leave for fear of prejudice.


Back on topic, I've never encountered people throwing or mishandling models. If anyone mistreated mine, I'd explain to them that if they did it again, I'd be packing up and leaving - or just pack up and leave, depending on the severity of it.

I concur with many here, I love playing newbies and they have been some of my funnest games. Kids are a case by case basis. I wouldn't write anyone off for being a particular age. I know some very mature 12 year olds and some very immature 40 year olds.

I'm normally quite easy going and I don't like hearsay and gossip. So normally I will have had to play the person myself or had some first hand experience with that person in order to not play them again.

Many have been covered here already, but for me its:

WAAC players. If your self worth comes from winning games of little plastic men you seriously need to reevaluate your life. Some of the funnest games I have played are ones I have lost. The fun of the game isn't the outcome it's the playing. On that note, the funnest games are the ones where you don't know which way it's going to turn out until the end. Sometimes something will happen and it can become clear that you are not likely or not going to win, but you should still play as that's not important (and also, miracles do happen sometimes ). I won't play people who rage quit or suddenly need to "leave early" because it's not going their way. Saying that, if one player happens to have a amazingly good round of shooting the first turn and absolutely decimates the other army, wiping out 90% of their army, I don't mind getting a pint and having a laugh about it or starting a new game if both parties are ok with it.

People who always bring super competitive lists. Soup, min/maxing, spamming particular units or just have things that are plain un-fluffy together, like a chapter master leading a battalion of scouts and some dreadnoughts with no other marines present.

People without a sense of humour. Half of this game is chatting and having a laugh while doing the tedious stuff like moving models and rolling multiple dice.

People with extreme political views and -phobias, regardless of whether they bring it up in game I just don't want to associate with such people.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

I am not going to refuse a game because my opponent has a good list or is better than me, that would be being a very poor sport about a game.

Or saving time for both and ensuring neither has to "enjoy" game with foregone conclusion.

Yeah. I don't understand that whole concept that if you refuse a game because your list is for fun and their list is ultra competitive, why refusing that game makes you a bad sport. Thats one of the more ridiculous things I have ever heard. There is zero fun to be had by getting tabled in a turn for either player.

That the insinuation of them having the better list also means they are better than me is also pretty funny, because it takes very little skill to copy an ITC netlist, and people do create for fun lists intentionally to use in... you know... for-fun games that aren't about exploiting the meta or the bad balance of the game.

 some bloke wrote:

stratigo wrote:


When a person walks into the store, they get a snap shot of that instant, and maybe in that instant something has happened that isn't indicative of the overall culture, or in context isn't what it seems. But as an LGBT person, if I walk into a store and here some people cracking gay jokes, I can't know they are a self deprecating gay couple. And it takes an emotional effort to force yourself to stick around because, well, most people cracking gay jokes aren't gay people, and, like, that doesn't make it necessarily okay to make homophobic comments in any regard. There's actually interesting research that goes being people making fun of their ethnicity, religion, or sexuality as a defense mechanism and how that can itself get internalized and normalized.

And, so, especially in the context of modern America, it behooves someone to take a minority at least somewhat at their word and try and find out why exactly they felt discriminated against. And on occasion it really is nothing, but that occasion is much rarer than what a lot of people glibly assume.

that's fair, though I daresay most people who make gay jokes aren't homophobic - they simply focus on the "joke" part of it. I myself am guilty of making jokes in which feature gay people, but I am in no way homophobic, and I make the joke because I think that the joke is funny - there's no subtext, and every person I know who's made such jokes does so for the joke, not the homophobia. It's the same as I am not anti-male when I make a "a man walks into a bar" joke, nor am I anti-Jehovah's witness when I make a "knock knock" joke, or racist for making an "an englishman, an irishman and a scotsman" joke.

I know that may not be representative of American groups, but in the UK I feel that getting offended by a joke is something of a joke itself. It's unfortunate that anyone, for any reason, feels that they have to be excluded from a group for the jests of those already in it. People shouldn't feel that they cannot have a joke, and people should not feel that they are unsafe around those that do. I would feel mortified if I found out that my making a joke had caused someone to leave for fear of prejudice.


Back on topic, I've never encountered people throwing or mishandling models. If anyone mistreated mine, I'd explain to them that if they did it again, I'd be packing up and leaving - or just pack up and leave, depending on the severity of it.

In my own experience from dealing with situations when I'm there, the explanation of "it was a joke and they got offended" tends to be about as gross an exaggeration as someone claiming religious bias against jehovah's witnesses or mormons because you made a "knock knock" joke. The ingredients you would tend to see when something is a "joke" - delivery style, intended audience, audience reaction - can be entirely absent and someone can still claim that something muttered at someone while they walk by them or a frustrated grumble about something going on during the game was "a joke."

If you're actually serious about creating a space that's good and inclusive to all categories of people and that space is for nerd/gaming stuff, you might think that means a lot of racism and homophobia but that's not the commonly discriminated against category of folks who most gravitate to tabletop wargaming communities. Odds are, take a random sampling of 25-50 people interested in congregating to play some DND or MTG or warhammer and your crowd is going to be a lot more neurodiverse than ethnically diverse. And a lot of the time those people are going to check a lot more boxes that make people think it's OK socially to gak on them - white, dudes, overweight, poor, not conventionally attractive.

And it's rare that you get to be put in a position where you have someone who is just a real huge blank-ist sack of crap or where you have someone totally making up stories for oppression points (I would say never on that latter one, but it certainly gets brought up enough that maybe it happens somewhere, I don't know). Much more often, you have to figure out how to square someone honestly making an honestly gakky comment who also has a condition that makes social judgement a lot more difficult for them.

And if that don't just suck.


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 auticus wrote:
Yeah. I don't understand that whole concept that if you refuse a game because your list is for fun and their list is ultra competitive, why refusing that game makes you a bad sport. Thats one of the more ridiculous things I have ever heard. There is zero fun to be had by getting tabled in a turn for either player.

That the insinuation of them having the better list also means they are better than me is also pretty funny, because it takes very little skill to copy an ITC netlist, and people do create for fun lists intentionally to use in... you know... for-fun games that aren't about exploiting the meta or the bad balance of the game.

Yes folks please do this thing. You don't need to be all moralistic about it, just if you know someone brings a real competitive list, you've played them before and you know they're after some more serious practice for a local tournament and you don't play that sort of game, don't turn up to the table, have a completely one sided game and get real mad at each other. That'd be great.

Uhhh, big yikes on the "I make jokes about gay people but I don't mean anything by it" comments coming from some people. If you're not the marginalised group targeted by something, I'd respectfully suggest you shouldn't be appointing yourself the arbiter of how it's received by that group. And even if you are, it's probably a good idea to bear in mind that, in a public context (which includes a gaming store/club) not everyone's going to feel as chill about it as you are, tbh.

 auticus wrote:
Yeah. I don't understand that whole concept that if you refuse a game because your list is for fun and their list is ultra competitive, why refusing that game makes you a bad sport. Thats one of the more ridiculous things I have ever heard. There is zero fun to be had by getting tabled in a turn for either player.

That the insinuation of them having the better list also means they are better than me is also pretty funny, because it takes very little skill to copy an ITC netlist, and people do create for fun lists intentionally to use in... you know... for-fun games that aren't about exploiting the meta or the bad balance of the game.

Yep. Obviously don't be dick about refusing but politely refusing should be no issue. Nobody OWNS anybody a game. Gaming is voluntary and if game is walkover anyway what fun is it for either? Won't be even good practice game for tournament for the competive player...

 Nazrak wrote:
Uhhh, big yikes on the "I make jokes about gay people but I don't mean anything by it" comments coming from some people. If you're not the marginalised group targeted by something, I'd respectfully suggest you shouldn't be appointing yourself the arbiter of how it's received by that group. And even if you are, it's probably a good idea to bear in mind that, in a public context (which includes a gaming store/club) not everyone's going to feel as chill about it as you are, tbh.

Well you are in England where people get arrested for offending other people in public, things are a bit different here in the US where we have freedom of speech enshrined in our founding. most people don't care one way or the other. the old adage of live and let live. you have a right to be offensive or be offended (but i am sure you will get over it eventually). speech that everybody agrees with does not need protection.

The only speech not protected are communication of threats, inciting violence/panic, and slander/liable (but the burden of evidence is very high on that last part)

I stand by the moniker -you have the right to say what you want no matter how stupid, ignorant, crazy, mean or evil i think it is (so long as it doesn't violate the above) and i will fight to the death to defend your right to say it. by doing so i defend everybodies right to it. more speech not less is the proper path.

 Nazrak wrote:
Uhhh, big yikes on the "I make jokes about gay people but I don't mean anything by it" comments coming from some people. If you're not the marginalised group targeted by something, I'd respectfully suggest you shouldn't be appointing yourself the arbiter of how it's received by that group. And even if you are, it's probably a good idea to bear in mind that, in a public context (which includes a gaming store/club) not everyone's going to feel as chill about it as you are, tbh.

As a (begrudging) member of one of the said groups on the LGBTPIAQQWTFBBQ++ alphabet soup, I officially give everyone permission to make whatever jokes you find funny, because comedy is ALWAYS going to make someone the butt of the joke, whether it's a group of people, the person telling the joke, or the person being told the joke. Especially gay jokes, they love being the butt of the joke (get it, haha).

Happy now Nazrak?

 aphyon wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Uhhh, big yikes on the "I make jokes about gay people but I don't mean anything by it" comments coming from some people. If you're not the marginalised group targeted by something, I'd respectfully suggest you shouldn't be appointing yourself the arbiter of how it's received by that group. And even if you are, it's probably a good idea to bear in mind that, in a public context (which includes a gaming store/club) not everyone's going to feel as chill about it as you are, tbh.

Well you are in England where people get arrested for offending other people in public, things are a bit different here in the US where we have freedom of speech enshrined in our founding. most people don't care one way or the other. the old adage of live and let live. you have a right to be offensive or be offended (but i am sure you will get over it eventually). speech that everybody agrees with does not need protection.

The only speech not protected are communication of threats, inciting violence/panic, and slander/liable (but the burden of evidence is very high on that last part)

I stand by the moniker -you have the right to say what you want no matter how stupid, ignorant, crazy, mean or evil i think it is (so long as it doesn't violate the above) and i will fight to the death to defend your right to say it. by doing so i defend everybodies right to it. more speech not less is the proper path.

The mistake you've made there is you've conflated "freedom of speech" with "I want to be an arsehole to people without being criticised for it". They're not the same thing at all.

Also, you seem to have got all your information re England from our gak right-wing press, which I'd advise you take with an extremely large grain of salt.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Uhhh, big yikes on the "I make jokes about gay people but I don't mean anything by it" comments coming from some people. If you're not the marginalised group targeted by something, I'd respectfully suggest you shouldn't be appointing yourself the arbiter of how it's received by that group. And even if you are, it's probably a good idea to bear in mind that, in a public context (which includes a gaming store/club) not everyone's going to feel as chill about it as you are, tbh.

As a (begrudging) member of one of the said groups on the LGBTPIAQQWTFBBQ++ alphabet soup, I officially give everyone permission to make whatever jokes you find funny, because comedy is ALWAYS going to make someone the butt of the joke, whether it's a group of people, the person telling the joke, or the person being told the joke. Especially gay jokes, they love being the butt of the joke (get it, haha).

Happy now Nazrak?

See my second point. Just because it doesn't bother you, that doesn't mean it doesn't bother anyone.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Uhhh, big yikes on the "I make jokes about gay people but I don't mean anything by it" comments coming from some people. If you're not the marginalised group targeted by something, I'd respectfully suggest you shouldn't be appointing yourself the arbiter of how it's received by that group. And even if you are, it's probably a good idea to bear in mind that, in a public context (which includes a gaming store/club) not everyone's going to feel as chill about it as you are, tbh.

As a (begrudging) member of one of the said groups on the LGBTPIAQQWTFBBQ++ alphabet soup, I officially give everyone permission to make whatever jokes you find funny, because comedy is ALWAYS going to make someone the butt of the joke, whether it's a group of people, the person telling the joke, or the person being told the joke. Especially gay jokes, they love being the butt of the joke (get it, haha).

Happy now Nazrak?

On topic of the thread: BCBs attitude here is a reason I wouldn't play them. I don't find it fun playing with folks who have a terrible sense of humour and an oversensitive hair trigger to being asked to be polite.

I will game vs anyone - don’t mind what colour, creed or persuasion they are - might draw the line if they have to spit the dice onto the table to roll them, depends on how close it gets to me. Don’t even mind what army composition/completeness, so long as it’s legal and identifiable.
It is unfair if you single one group out for hatred - they may get the idea they are special. Hate everyone equally, then there is no predjudice. No one has the right to be unoffended - they might get the idea they are special. Remember, the Universe is big place, and no matter what happens, you will not be missed.

Moriarty wrote:

It is unfair if you single one group out for hatred - they may get the idea they are special. Hate everyone equally, then there is no predjudice. No one has the right to be unoffended - they might get the idea they are special. Remember, the Universe is big place, and no matter what happens, you will not be missed.

This sort of nihilistic edgelord defence may play ok in certain segments of the internet, but do it in real life and you're just being a dick to people for no reason.

Killing this thread before it gets really off the rails.