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All the political gak aside, I'm looking forward to this. I might actually see if I can buy it in my local comic shop.

 Albertorius wrote:
even though just the digital sales are almost twice all the comics market at the turn of the century. Ignore it is.

Where do you get the digital sales info? I'm not aware of anyone who publishes the information although admittedly I follow the subject peripherally.

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
even though just the digital sales are almost twice all the comics market at the turn of the century. Ignore it is.

Where do you get the digital sales info? I'm not aware of anyone who publishes the information although admittedly I follow the subject peripherally.

All sales data is coming from Comichron, both physical and digital.

 Albertorius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
even though just the digital sales are almost twice all the comics market at the turn of the century. Ignore it is.

Where do you get the digital sales info? I'm not aware of anyone who publishes the information although admittedly I follow the subject peripherally.

All sales data is coming from Comichron, both physical and digital.

I wasn't aware that they published monthly data on digital. I've only seen that referenced in year reviews in passing. Are the exact sales figures per issue behind a paywall or did I miss it?

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
even though just the digital sales are almost twice all the comics market at the turn of the century. Ignore it is.

Where do you get the digital sales info? I'm not aware of anyone who publishes the information although admittedly I follow the subject peripherally.

All sales data is coming from Comichron, both physical and digital.

I wasn't aware that they published monthly data on digital. I've only seen that referenced in year reviews in passing. Are the exact sales figures per issue behind a paywall or did I miss it?

Most come from ICV, so I don't think so, but digital sales seem to include all digital sources (meaning it's not only digital comics but Amazon and stuff, I think).

That said, that's only US sales. The rest of the world also buys comics

Biggest problem there is that you're assuming it was "for a quick buck and as a middle finger to their fanbases".

I'm only peripherally into comics(most of my purchases are trades or the "Klaus" stories from Boom! comics), but even I was aware that what you were describing was part of a built-up arc.

Hell, the Thor stuff is supposed to be part of the next movie if I remember right. It wasn't just "ermahgerdladythor!" or "ermahgerdladyironman!". They were different characters, effectively, taking up the mantles of heroes that existed.

Hey all, lets keep the topic on Marvel and Marneus Calgar, I've removed a whole bunch of politics/identity posts & responses that really have nothing to do with Calgar's story being told by Marvel. It also really doesn't help when people drop controversial language and bunch of links and then say "oh don't respond to this"

Art styles aside I'm about burned out on HH and other novels. I wouldn't mind some literal mind candy to rot my brain with, even if the demographic they are shooting for is the YA group. I've probably read worse.

 Albertorius wrote:
That said, that's only US sales. The rest of the world also buys comics

I'm curious about how this reflect on US comic books though. I may be biased, because my country is apparently the second biggest consumer of manga (the first being, of course, Japan), but here it's Manga >> Franco-Belgian bande dessinée >>> Comics.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
That said, that's only US sales. The rest of the world also buys comics

I'm curious about how this reflect on US comic books though. I may be biased, because my country is apparently the second biggest consumer of manga (the first being, of course, Japan), but here it's Manga >> Franco-Belgian bande dessinée >>> Comics.

France is a bigger comic market than either the US or Japan. However France's comic industry leans more heavily towards adult/young adult Fantasy and Sci-Fi rather than children's superhero comics.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
That said, that's only US sales. The rest of the world also buys comics

I'm curious about how this reflect on US comic books though. I may be biased, because my country is apparently the second biggest consumer of manga (the first being, of course, Japan), but here it's Manga >> Franco-Belgian bande dessinée >>> Comics.

Here manga is really big too, but I feel that in general we're a bit more eclectic: we read everything and anything.

I think there’s a huge split here between comic fans who are more accepting of styles and looks, knowing from many comic lines what things look like, and then 40k fans who don’t (as much or at all) delve into the comic world).

Then people riling for no reason, with the will they be in mcu, or marvel games etc (which is all irrelevant as this is marvels comic arm, no deal with any other part of marvel (or should we say Disney) at all).
If there were we would see those shows being produced by one of Disney’s arms.

Potentially, particularly to those in industries of media, they know that the big things are coming in the film and tv, cartoons, and big promotion for 40k to mainstream.
They want to get the comic line in now as popularity will soar, and if they already have the comics, and several released, it would see a big surge in sales there too..

 BaconCatBug wrote:
France is a bigger comic market than either the US or Japan. However France's comic industry leans more heavily towards adult/young adult Fantasy and Sci-Fi rather than children's superhero comics.

In your analysis, do you make the distinction between comics, bande dessinées and manga? It's really considered differently here, and things that are staples of the US comic book industry just don't translate over to bande dessinées. The usual bande dessinée is released directly as a hardback, with a creator-owned IP, and no shared universe. This makes for something very different from the shared-universe, corporate owned IP of comics. As far as I know, manga is somewhat in between comics and bande dessinée in this regard. They have less shared universe than comics, and series usually don't get multiple writers and illustrators, but they have a more serial release style, and a bit more corporate control over how a series develop than bande dessinée.

Marvel's Warhammer 40000: Marneus Calgar writer Kieron Gillen spoke with CBR about bringing the iconic tabletop gaming franchise back to comics.

"They are the iconic Space Marines. So, let's show what they look like. Because only by showing you what they look like can you understand why other chapters like the Space Wolves are different".
That makes a lot of sense actually. Also I don't know this person. Are they good at story writing?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
"They are the iconic Space Marines. So, let's show what they look like. Because only by showing you what they look like can you understand why other chapters like the Space Wolves are different".
That makes a lot of sense actually. Also I don't know this person. Are they good at story writing?

Gillen? Yes, he's a great writer and a high profile get for GW.

He created Doctor Aphra for Star Wars, wrote a bunch of good Marvel books, and created Phonogram and The Wicked and The Divine.

I can only speak to his Darth Vader series for Marvel. I grew up with SW, but it’s mostly just another spectacle to me these past few years.

But I really enjoyed his work on Darth Vader, after hearing great things about it. Now that I know he’s the guy writing this 40K series, I’ll actually check it out.

 The Phazer wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
"They are the iconic Space Marines. So, let's show what they look like. Because only by showing you what they look like can you understand why other chapters like the Space Wolves are different".
That makes a lot of sense actually. Also I don't know this person. Are they good at story writing?

Gillen? Yes, he's a great writer and a high profile get for GW.

He created Doctor Aphra for Star Wars, wrote a bunch of good Marvel books, and created Phonogram and The Wicked and The Divine.

He's also doing "Once and Future" with Dan Mora for Boom--which is a great lil' company and a really cool concept with a great artist.

Is a good interview that shows a lot of insight.

Gives me high hopes for the comic.

I like the black and white shots they show. They look good.

The interview itself speaks volumes about how much he's bringing to this project as a creator.

Some optimism for this comic, even if there is yet to be a confirmed full-color page of Swarmlord ripping Marneus apart during the invasion of Macragge....

From the interview:

"So, it's a horror universe, but it's also a satirical and action universe. The people who take Warhammer a bit too straight clearly are working on the weird assumption they would be Space Marines when it's clear that if any of us were in the 40K universe we would be someone who was bombarded from orbit to clear out a rabid infection running through the tiny human population. It's so operatically, grim."


I like that viewpoint.

Whatever happens, you will not be missed.

Gillen is good. And a 40K fan. From his newsletter:

I also suspect it’s not a surprise to many people that I’m launching this. I’m told when it was mentioned they had the licence at the Marvel Summit, the room basically went “So Kieron, right?” My brand is remains my brand.

Marneus Calgar is our entry way into the world of 40k. My inspiration is very much Batman Year One. As in, do a book which works both as an introduction to a character and a world while also absolutely hitting the notes a fan of the world would like to see. If you’ve always wanted to know more about 40k, this is a place to join us. If you always wanted to see how a power fist turns people into mist, this is also the place to join us.

Next thing ya know there's gonna be genestealers in Guardians of the Galaxy 3

 Necros wrote:
Next thing ya know there's gonna be genestealers in Guardians of the Galaxy 3

You'd think that would be a good idea but Marvel is the worst when it comes to power scaling in their movies and comics, so they wouldn't even really appear as a threat.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

You'd think that would be a good idea

"no"

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Next thing ya know there's gonna be genestealers in Guardians of the Galaxy 3

You'd think that would be a good idea but Marvel is the worst when it comes to power scaling in their movies and comics, so they wouldn't even really appear as a threat.

bitch slapped like...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OpulentAdvancedJackal-mobile.mp4

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Next thing ya know there's gonna be genestealers in Guardians of the Galaxy 3

You'd think that would be a good idea but Marvel is the worst when it comes to power scaling in their movies and comics, so they wouldn't even really appear as a threat.

The average viewer would see a 4 armed alien and just assume they were a different color of the Outriders from Infinity War. Maybe the base species since so many fans are convinced the ones Thanos used had Symbiotes on.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Next thing ya know there's gonna be genestealers in Guardians of the Galaxy 3

You'd think that would be a good idea but Marvel is the worst when it comes to power scaling in their movies and comics, so they wouldn't even really appear as a threat.

The average viewer would see a 4 armed alien and just assume they were a different color of the Outriders from Infinity War. Maybe the base species since so many fans are convinced the ones Thanos used had Symbiotes on.

Really? I’ve not heard that theory.

The wicked + the divine was very good, and extremely original to boot. I have confidence that Kieran than deliver a good comic here.

 Albertorius wrote:
even though just the digital sales are almost twice all the comics market at the turn of the century. Ignore it is.

Comichron states that estimated overall sales in 2000, a significant dip in the market, were $255-275 million. It also states that digital sales in 2019 were $90 million. Top 300 floppy sales (significant majority of overall floppy sales) in 2018 were put at $390 million. At the start of 2020, Bleeding Cool didn't think digital sales were much cop and something needed done.

I think you might need to see an optician.

Apropos of nothing, total units of the top 300 floppies shifted by Diamond in 2019 were 8% higher than in those 2000 doldrums, compared to a roughly 67% increase in dollar sales across a similar period (to 2018). More money paid for not much more product? I'd have to check if that's adjusted for inflation.

Total North American comic market in 2019 was $1.2 billion. It's marched to that high while Diamond distribution to comic shops (i.e. Marvel and DC's bread-and-butter) have been wavering back and forth for the last seven years. Something is driving that growth, and I don't think it's Marvel's few thousand copies a month. Wonder what it might be...?

Was there an original topic? Yeah. GW might be a rising star these days but it's still a fairly obscure brand. Marvel couldn't shift more of it's comics when Robert Downey Jr. was wowing cinemagoers a decade or more ago, and I still feel the ache during rainy weather, from when GW axed the comic that it couldn't sell to it's own audience. This tie-in fairly reeks of desperation on Marvel's part. I don't think Keiron Gillen is going to save it.