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 Vineheart01 wrote:
im really confused that theres a Nob on Bike entry in the new FW book apparently.

The heck for? Different weapons? Some snazzy special rule options? Different statline since their bikes are bigger than "standard" bikes? (doubt that last one they'd just name them something else)

It is a bit odd, but technically Nob Bikers only existing model *is* Forgeworld. They have a nice kit, actually.

Maybe that means they'll get a points update / buff? I actually think they are close to being quite interesting. 45 point variant w/ Kill saw ain't bad.

I will miss fielding my airborne orks now the Chinork is no more. Three choppers with nobs was a magnificent sight.

Nob warbikers can be build out of multiple warbiker kits or by putting nobz from the nobz box onto the bikes - they actually do fit.

It seems like GW has lost the knowledge on how their kits were designed to be used, cue kanz losing KMB options and 'ard boyz no longer being wargear.

Also worth noting that the chinork warkopta is gone, just as expected.

Oh, and the mega dread is back in action.

Surprised zhardsnark got axed... as he was in the chapter approved...
He was decent if you planned to use evil suns..

Btw wtf is a kannonwagon is this some special supa kannon wagon? Does it get its own variant rules like a gunwagon? All sorts of questions

Probably the battlewagon with supa-kannon, considering how they still sell that kit.

As for Zardsnark, it was either him or the warboss - I'm not sad about this decision.

Yeah, as much as it sucks for an Evil Sunz character to bite it, it's much better for us to have a customizable Biker Boss than Zhadsnark who for all intents and purposes wasn't much better or distinct than a regular BB anyways. Hopefully this incentivizes them to bring in Wazzdakka at some point, definitely sucks that the warkopta kicked the bucket, though not unexpected.

 Jidmah wrote:
Probably the battlewagon with supa-kannon, considering how they still sell that kit.

As for Zardsnark, it was either him or the warboss - I'm not sad about this decision.

I agree it’s better for use with deathskulls. Hopefully the warboss on bike isn’t limited with killsaw load out or speedBoss keyword.

Kannonwagon most likely is the wagon with the 2 big guns, they might have merged them rather than axe the Liftadroppa entirely.

Otherwise i really dont know why they'd rename it, since the only other weapon is the Supakannon.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Kannonwagon most likely is the wagon with the 2 big guns, they might have merged them rather than axe the Liftadroppa entirely.

Otherwise i really dont know why they'd rename it, since the only other weapon is the Supakannon.

Let's hope the supa kannon gets a little buffed up too, since the killkannon used to be S7 in the index compared to the S8 it is now in the codex if I remember correctly. So making the supakannon S9 and AP-3 would be nice.

where do you guys find these leaks?

and i just finished my first Chinork.. what a waste of time it took to paint it...

Beardedragon wrote:
where do you guys find these leaks?

They're not leaks, it's been posted on the community site. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/26/inside-imperial-armour-compendium/

 Grimskul wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:
where do you guys find these leaks?

They're not leaks, it's been posted on the community site. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/26/inside-imperial-armour-compendium/

thanks. despite my best googling efforts i couldnt find it.


huh, and they have a made a difference between a Meka dread and Mega dread this time. interesting.

Still i dont understand why not keeping the Chinork. I mean its a unique transport vehicle.

Warhammer community page... they put out the index content list no datasheets.

Also I’m hoping the battlewagon w supa kannon gets its own beefed up datasheet like the other varieties or the kannonwagon is just worse then the gunwagon with relic.

If the kannon wagon gets some bespoke rules it can be decent.

Beardedragon wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:
where do you guys find these leaks?

They're not leaks, it's been posted on the community site. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/26/inside-imperial-armour-compendium/

thanks. despite my best googling efforts i couldnt find it.


huh, and they have a made a difference between a Meka dread and Mega dread this time. interesting.

Still i dont understand why not keeping the Chinork. I mean its a unique transport vehicle.

It's because they're no longer in stock and they don't want to bother keeping/using molds for stuff they no longer have available on the store. It's the usual "No model, no rules" policy that expanded from the main GW line to all their other products. We'll technically have them as rules in legends, but unless you have your opponent's permission, they're basically not allowed in competitive games.

Yeah i hope the supakannonwagon gets buffed up. I love that gun, plus i have 2 Kromlech Tigerwagons i'd love to proxy as supakannons lol

yea. Well i am absolutely Stoked about the Meka Dread. yesterday i wanted to buy one but since i was told about the forge world shinanigans dropping next week i held off since you have to buy the weapons individually.

But i sure am interested in them, i just hope they eventually add the Meka Dreads to the Tin Ead's culture.

Also, make Grot tanks and Grot Mega tanks great, im really looking to trying out a grot army. or at least an army where there are a lot of grots that benefits from the rerolls of ones for their vehicles, and 6+ invul save.


I was thinking, btw, If you fight against imperial knights, is the best course of action for troop choices, not Grots over boys? I mean your boys are probably not going to dent the enemy, so might as well make them cheap, and grots are cheaper? then you have more points for something else thats killy.

it just seems like the imperial knights shooting at my boys, i would lose as many as if they shot at my grots.

I had a battle yesterday, against my first imperial knights army for 1850 points. i only have that, so i brought what i could and needless to say, i did not have enough anti armor.

Beardedragon wrote:
where do you guys find these leaks?

and i just finished my first Chinork.. what a waste of time it took to paint it...

It's not like we didn't tell you that exactly this was going to happen


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Beardedragon wrote:
huh, and they have a made a difference between a Meka dread and Mega dread this time. interesting.

They used to be two different models, merging them into one datasheet was a really strange decision.

 Jidmah wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:
where do you guys find these leaks?

and i just finished my first Chinork.. what a waste of time it took to paint it...

It's not like we didn't tell you that exactly this was going to happen


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Beardedragon wrote:
huh, and they have a made a difference between a Meka dread and Mega dread this time. interesting.

They used to be two different models, merging them into one datasheet was a really strange decision.

yea.. you did. and i was in denial.

I just find it annoying given how unique it is. The nob bikers are just bigger warbikers, the mega dread is just the offspring of a deff dread who had sex with a gorkanaut, the Chinork is.. a unit we dont have. so its sad to see it gone. But it makes sense what you say, they dont have a model, so.. "yeet" i guess

Also i dont have a lot of units. a total of 1850 of an army that makes a bit sense, and the Chinork with rattler kannons have been a stable part of my army :( now he no longer will be

Chinork, old buddy, we had a good ride. Normally id say: you have finally gotten peace, but you're an Ork vehicle so i guess your version of heaven is an imperial infested world of eternal war in which you respawn constantly after each battle.

Like that ork on the Khorne daemon world.

Fight on ye gits, eternal Waaaagh! for the fallen Forge World models.

You will be remembered.

Don' t worry, you can play your chinork next month or two and like a Legend out of tournaments for at least another 6 months....

lets just hope the warboss on bike comes with a powerklaw... zhardsnark IS modelled with a saw... so if they go by the model, we will not be able to give him the relic claw :(

RedNoak wrote:
lets just hope the warboss on bike comes with a powerklaw... zhardsnark IS modelled with a saw... so if they go by the model, we will not be able to give him the relic claw :(

i hope so. i bought a Big Trakk and a warboss on warbike a few days ago which im waiting for arriving.

And a Supa Kannon.

They only sell 3 arms..
Klaw, saw and killkannon
I have nfc how they intend to differentiate between meka and mega dread?
Unless one has a kff and the other has mega charga ability and they both have the same 3 weapon options.

The shunta arm is no longer sold.
And the supaskorcha arm was never made... but my god is it a sweet weapon profile.
The rattler kannon was also never made.

Beardedragon wrote:
where do you guys find these leaks?

and i just finished my first Chinork.. what a waste of time it took to paint it...

‘Counts As’ is your friend. Use as Trukk/Battlewagon until Codex arrives, then go from there.

“Time is wasted wot is not spent on Paintin’”. :x-)

Dunno if I worry about the Bossbike's new shape as long as he keeps his Toughness and bike speed. To me he´s the point man in an assault team and not a a pivotal part of a list.
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On other topics, since my Psychic Ritual idea crashed and burned due to bad reading skills, I wonder what secondaries people pick beyond Engage and Scramble? The reason I ask is because I´m starting to find it a tad annoying to find decent kill ones vs the typical MEQ list. It´s mostly Intercessor+Eradicators+Bladeguard+3 chars+3 vehicles leaving no good choices.

If you can get 9VP out of killing vehicles or characters, that might be an option, but I understand the problem.
From the psychic secondaries only mental interrogation is worth taking, but it's very luck dependent if your opponent does have denies. In a recent game with my DG I ended up with 0 VP from it because every cast either failed or was denied by enemy psykers.

Scatha - this could help https://www.goonhammer.com/the-october-2020-40k-meta-review/#Secondary_Selections_and_Average_Points_Scored_October_2020_Source_ITC_Battles_app

But not so much. The third secondaries is a hard nut againts such armies.

Options:
- enemy psykers? Abhorn the witch?
- do you have Jets? Cut of the head via Eadbutt and Wazboom?
- some of the mission specific secondaries works pretty well. Check the mission.
- support vehicles with W11+ ? Bring it down?

Cut of the head sucks against marines in my experience, because they regularly are 6W models with some way to mitigate mortal wounds through healing or FNP, so 6MW aren't enough to cash in the VP.

 Jidmah wrote:
If you can get 9VP out of killing vehicles or characters, that might be an option, but I understand the problem.
From the psychic secondaries only mental interrogation is worth taking, but it's very luck dependent if your opponent does have denies. In a recent game with my DG I ended up with 0 VP from it because every cast either failed or was denied by enemy psykers.

I had a game recently vs AM where the opponent embarked most chars in a transport and never left it after I picked Interrogation. 0 VP there too.

As Codexes come with specific 2ndaries we are also abit on the backfoot. I notice a tendency for Marines to pick Oath of Moment for example.

Most of the codex secondaries are pretty junk. Oath of moment is pretty much only use. Necrons have one that MIGHT be worthwhile if they use silent king as silent king actually could kill something so 3vp per unit silet king himself kills(but you can of course deal with that by keeping silent king not having easy kills). Only other of concern is 2vp per quarter enemy isn't in turn 2 onward which against static slow gunlines could be viable. Rest of necrons are junk.

And the marine one kill lots of units in lots of different unique ways is junk(1vp per unit you kill with heavy or grenade in devastator doctrine up to 5, rapid fire/assault weapons same in tactical doctrine etc? Good luck with those!)

If other codexes follow level the codex secondaries won't be issue.

 Jidmah wrote:
Cut of the head sucks against marines in my experience, because they regularly are 6W models with some way to mitigate mortal wounds through healing or FNP, so 6MW aren't enough to cash in the VP.

With 2 or more planes, you could do it. But it can sucks pretty easily. Without planes it sucks totaly. But you know - there are no good options...